Can The GOP Abandon Bigotry to Win Elections?

[Zython]

I mean, what would their hook be? If the Dems nominated Sanders, the GOP could have pivoted to the center and been the status-quo capitalism part. But since the Dems have decided to take that for themselves, the only choices are to be a far-left party (which isn't happening), or be a fascist party.

[Endus]

Can the democratic party overcome Joe Biden's obvious and recently multiple bouts with bigotry? I am sure you guys will ignore it and say yes.

Empty attempts to derail and distract demonstrate you really don't have anything worth bringing to this particular discussion.

[Draco-Onis]

I mean, what would their hook be? If the Dems nominated Sanders, the GOP could have pivoted to the center and been the status-quo capitalism part. But since the Dems have decided to take that for themselves, the only choices are to be a far-left party (which isn't happening), or be a fascist party.

That's just fantasy there's no possible way that the right will change as long as Trump and his base exist they are stuck. If Sanders got elected they would have kept on trucking because Trump is the brand now even if he leaves office he will still play a big part as long as he keeps the base behind him.

[Healing Rain]

The real question is: Can Democrats? Democrats are so intolerant of those who disagree with them that they scream "bigot, racist, etc" when the Dems are the real bigots. Democrats believe they are somehow "entitled" to power, and apparently Democrat voters feel the same way or they'd stop being blindly obedient to a party that is antithetical to something worth voting for.

[Felya]

The real question is: Can Democrats? Democrats are so intolerant of those who disagree with them that they scream "bigot, racist, etc" when the Dems are the real bigots. Democrats believe they are somehow "entitled" to power, and apparently Democrat voters feel the same way or they'd stop being blindly obedient to a party that is antithetical to something worth voting for.

It is what it is...

[Calfredd]

The real question is: Can Republicans? Republicans are so intolerant of those who disagree with them that they scream "bigot, racist, etc" when the Repubs are the real bigots. Republicans believe they are somehow "entitled" to power, and apparently Republicans voters feel the same way or they'd stop being blindly obedient to a party that is antithetical to something worth voting for.

Given what is happening in reality, I fixed up your post. Seriously, you make this too easy when I can point to real life examples of one doing these things and not much of the other. Not that it matters since you are a drive-by poster; you'll post once, then won't be heard from again until the next thread.

[Felya]

Given what is happening in reality, I fixed up your post. Seriously, you make this too easy when I can point to real life examples of one doing these things and not much of the other.

I’m really having a hard time not just responding with “it is what it is”... to everyone talking about Democrat entitlement, being antithetical and obedient. 150000 dead Americans, while they complain that a president posting a supporter screaming “White Power” by “accident” is called racist. Take it up with him... in both regards...

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Can the democratic party overcome Joe Biden's obvious and recently multiple bouts with bigotry? I am sure you guys will ignore it and say yes.

We know that Trump supporters scream “white power”, because Trump retweeted one doing it by accident. It’s why the question is about abandoning it... you can’t overcome, something that is embraced to that extent... you need to abandon...

We also know what happens when the right unites... tiki torches and fascist chanting... and murder...

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That's just fantasy there's no possible way that the right will change as long as Trump and his base exist they are stuck. If Sanders got elected they would have kept on trucking because Trump is the brand now even if he leaves office he will still play a big part as long as he keeps the base behind him.

If Bernie won, I wonder how well Trump’s “Biden hates the Bible” rhetoric would work out. He did it to Hillary, it’s 100% he would have done it to Bernie...

[s_bushido]

the Dems are the real bigots

"I know you are, but what am I."

Grow up.



Or just keep on going, and we'll see you in the next thread where you post this meaningless drive-by drivel.

[Dezerte]

To me it seems like it's a feature, and not a bug. I don't think they can abandon it.

[Adam Jensen]

Can the democratic party overcome Joe Biden's obvious and recently multiple bouts with bigotry? I am sure you guys will ignore it and say yes.

Some minor gaffes vs the mountain of bullshit from your tiny fingered vulgarian hero?

Come on dude.

[Zython]

That's just fantasy there's no possible way that the right will change as long as Trump and his base exist they are stuck. If Sanders got elected they would have kept on trucking because Trump is the brand now even if he leaves office he will still play a big part as long as he keeps the base behind him.

Not if they lost in 2020.

[Draco-Onis]

Not if they lost in 2020.

Still doubtful Trump's following is cult like we have not encountered this before, these people live in a fog of conspiracy theories.

[Kallisto]

Not if they lost in 2020.

If they lose in 2020 they'll just come to some sort of "The message was good, the messenger was bad." kind of outlook. Trump is a symptom of a disease that has been spreading since the 90s in the US right. They saw McCain and Romney lose to Obama and immediate went with the "They're too center right to win." and went with Trump whom swung all the way to the right and won the election by picking his battles.

Republicans if they're not full-on stupid (the party here) they'll now know that they don't need to win the people. They just need a handful of people in a hanful of places to win outright. I wouldn't be surprised in the next 20 years a republican candidate might win the presidency and outright be outvoted nationwide by 10+ million votes because of how the republicans push.

Who cares if they lose an extra few million in California, a few more million in New England. If they can gain the few hundred thousand in the right spots to bring the EC numbers.

[alexw]

That's just fantasy there's no possible way that the right will change as long as Trump and his base exist they are stuck. If Sanders got elected they would have kept on trucking because Trump is the brand now even if he leaves office he will still play a big part as long as he keeps the base behind him.

Its not just the Trump fan base that is the issue. The republican parties true allegiance is to the billionaire class, far more so than the democrats is, but the overwhelming mass of voters economic interests are antithetical to what billionaires want. Hence the republican party has to get voters to vote against their economic interests whem they vote for them, and so needs them to prioritize something else instead as their vote deciding issue. It does this via fostering racism, xenophobia, and generalized bigotry and fear. That's why it tells working class whites that Mexicans are stealing their jobs and that blacks are all criminals who will rape their women. If it ever dropped its racism and bigotry playbook it'd have to try and appeal to its voters in other (economic) ways and it can't do that because it can't then give its billionaire class donors what they want.

[Gestopft]

Its not just the Trump fan base that is the issue. The republican parties true allegiance is to the billionaire class, far more so than the democrats is, but the overwhelming mass of voters economic interests are antithetical to what billionaires want. Hence the republican party has to get voters to vote against their economic interests whem they vote for them, and so needs them to prioritize something else instead as their vote deciding issue. It does this via fostering racism, xenophobia, and generalized bigotry and fear. That's why it tells working class whites that Mexicans are stealing their jobs and that blacks are all criminals who will rape their women. If it ever dropped its racism and bigotry playbook it'd have to try and appeal to its voters in other (economic) ways and it can't do that because it can't then give its billionaire class donors what they want.

Hello abortion/"religious freedom."

Those are the voters getting played the hardest.

[Rennadrel]

I think the bigger question is whether the Democratic voter base can get their crap together and start acting like mature professionals rather than like irrational children. They've let a senile, small dick con artist of a businessman troll them the last 4 years and they've reacted exactly how Trump wants them to react, and it just makes the Democrats and their voter base look pathetic and people can't take them seriously.

[alexw]

Hello abortion/"religious freedom."

Those are the voters getting played the hardest.

Yep I was thinking of them (and gun owners) when I wrote my comment. Its all the same playbook. Get them afraid and voting on something else so that they ignore how the republicans are taking money out of their pockets and putting it into those of the billionaire class. The problem for republicans is that as inequality widens they have to go to ever greater extremes to get their voter base to ignore economic issues when making their vote. So its no surprise that the party is becoming ever more extremist as time passes.

[Gestopft]

I think the bigger question is whether the Democratic voter base can get their crap together and start acting like mature professionals rather than like irrational children. They've let a senile, small dick con artist of a businessman troll them the last 4 years and they've reacted exactly how Trump wants them to react, and it just makes the Democrats and their voter base look pathetic and people can't take them seriously.

Maybe if the president starts acting like a mature professional instead of an irrational child, the Democratic voter base will follow? I mean, how is one supposed to react to genuinely objectionable shit being said/done pretty much every day?

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Yep I was thinking of them (and gun owners) when I wrote my comment. Its all the same playbook. Get them afraid and voting on something else so that they ignore how the republicans are taking money out of their pockets and putting it into those of the billionaire class. The problem for republicans is that as inequality widens they have to go to ever greater extremes to get their voter base to ignore economic issues when making their vote. So its no surprise that the party is becoming ever more extremist as time passes.

I read some of the conservative journals from time to time- including the thinly-veiled-theocracy types, and it's sad for the rest of the country how badly these people are getting played. They've all been freaking out about Gorsuch doing the right thing (extending employment protections to LGBT people)- meanwhile, the same justices that they enabling the GOP to install are defending the rich and powerful at nearly every turn.

[Rennadrel]

Maybe if the president starts acting like a mature professional instead of an irrational child, the Democratic voter base will follow? I mean, how is one supposed to react to genuinely objectionable shit being said/done pretty much every day?

Ah yes, blaming someone else for your own poor behavior, pretty much par for the course from wannabe Liberal Americans. How about rising above other people's lack of professionalism and be better than them? Or did you miss the part about not sinking to Trump's level?

[Gestopft]

Ah yes, blaming someone else for your own poor behavior, pretty much par for the course from wannabe Liberal Americans. How about rising above other people's lack of professionalism and be better than them? Or did you miss the part about not sinking to Trump's level?

I’ll repeat my question: what is the appropriate reaction when faced with genuinely objectionable material on a near constant basis for years on end?

Also I have no idea what “wannabe Liberal” is supposed to mean.