[Spoilers] Shadowlands: Afterlives Cinematic Discussion

[Mehrunes]

More windrunners and specially 2 sylvanas?

For the love of god, no

Why not? Imagine it being used as an explanation for Sylvanas' internal monologues being false. Maybe we followed two of them all along! So many possibilities right here.

[Rhlor]

I fucking hate Uther now. Burn in hell old man.

why? for sending arthas to suffer forever? he deserves it

[TheFirstOnes]

Dude, it's clear that the Light interfered at the last second and it is responsible for saving Uther's soul, as he claimed for Light's help when he was about to be slain. Do you really think its a stretch the fact the Light saved the soul of one of its most fervorous followers AFTER he explicitly pleaded for its help?

Yeah, literally this. Uther's faith prevented Arthas from fully reaching his soul.

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Why not? Imagine it being used as an explanation for Sylvanas' internal monologues being false. Maybe we followed two of them all along! So many possibilities right here.

This as well, tbh.

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At the 3:38 mark you can see his souls splitting, I think they will play with this duality.

Yeah. One of them is released into the Shadowlands, the other is used for Frostmourne (AKA the soul we see at ICC, and in Legion)

[Nerovar]

It *did* steal a part of his soul, and it's stolen many other souls in its career. The fact that it failed to fully consume one soul out of hundreds doesn't really tarnish its potency or diminish its legacy, IMO. I don't really think that's a significant reach in any sense - there are many reasons why Arthas or Frostmourne might've failed to consume Uther's soul entirely from the interference of the Light, or Arthas and Uther's strong friendship, or just the fact that Arthas was newly a Death Knight and just learning how to wield Frostmourne. Perhaps it will be a plot point we learn more about in the greater Shadowlands story.

I mean, this cinematic leaves us with three options.

1. The part of his soul (I didn't know souls could be cut into pieces ) that was trapped inside Frostmourne wasn't really Uther which renders everything it (meaning that part of the soul) went through pretty much meaningless.
2. His soul was split into two parts and we got two Uthers now which totally makes a lot of sense.
3. Only "the good part" of Uther's soul was inside Frostmourne which is why we the trapped, tortured soul was somehow capable of more mercy and the ""real"" Uther was a self-righteous dickhead who's out for vengeance.

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

Just think of it, if Uther acted this way from being killed by Frostmourne it could do the same, if not worse, to Sylvanas. She had the corruption of the Maw in her all along, more than Uther did which explains the dripping mascra scars and the blood-red eyes and blue/lavender skin.

[Mehrunes]

The player: Imma just...take that! Thanks!

But it took years for players to go after them. We literally had an Ask a CDev reply stating that (at the time of Cata) no one knew what happened to them. And Devos still did nothing about that in that time.

[Nynthalas]

So Uther becomes Arbiter for Arthas and STILL ascend to be a Kyrian?

[Goldielocks]

Yeah, literally this. Uther's faith prevented Arthas from fully reaching his soul.

That’s still not consistent, though. We see Uther in the Halls of Reflection exactly like he was in WC3.

It’s sloppy tbh

[TheFirstOnes]

But it took years for players to go after them. We literally had an Ask a CDev reply stating that (at the time of Cata) no one knew what happened to them. And Devos still did nothing about that in that time.

She probably thought the blade was useless, because the power was gone? Idfk...

[Mehrunes]

why? for sending arthas to suffer forever? he deserves it

Except he wasn't put there by the Arbiter (who apparently slept while Devos and Uther did their mob justice). So there's a good chance he actually didn't. Yet WotLK Sylvanas did, because reasons.

[Varodoc]

Uther is obviously meant to be special, come on now. If anyone who was slain by Frostmourne had their soul split in half, then millions and millions of people would be in Uther's same position. Yet the storytelling clearly paints Uther as a special case. Only his soul was split in half. Sylvanas' soul is whole. Indeed, in Warbringers: Sylvanas it is shown that her soul went SOLELY towards Frostmourne, whereas a fraction of Uther's soul went towards the heaven/sky.

[Rhlor]

So does this mean that Arthas was not meant to go to the Maw? Since he was sent there by Uther, not the Arbiter.

I imagine the Arbiter would have wanted Arthas to go to Revendreth. Despite his crimes, he was fundamentally good at his core, since he wanted to save his people. Even as Lich King he didn't see himself as evil, but merely wanted to unite the world against the Legion and end all wars and injustice. The Arbiter would have seen that there was room for redemption.

let's remember that arthas massacred a city, let's remember that arthas betrayed his men, that he betrayed the mercenaries, that he almost killed muradin, arthas was already a bad person before he was undead and as undead he did all the evil things that did of his own free will

[Moonrage]

But it took years for players to go after them. We literally had an Ask a CDev reply stating that (at the time of Cata) no one knew what happened to them. And Devos still did nothing about that in that time.

Maybe the denizens of the Shadowlands can't interfere in the world of the living, which explains why they left the shards of Frostmourne behind.

[TheFirstOnes]

That’s still not consistent, though. We see Uther in the Halls of Reflection exactly like he was in WC3.

It’s sloppy tbh

Why do you think part of his soul still entered Frostmourne?

[Mehrunes]

let's remember that arthas massacred a city, let's remember that arthas betrayed his men, that he betrayed the mercenaries, that he almost killed muradin, arthas was already a bad person before he was undead and as undead he did all the evil things that did of his own free will

Kael'thas joined an omnicidal Fel cult and aided them in their attempt to defeat the last real obstacle in their crusade to wipe out all life in creation. He still went to Revendreth.

[Rhlor]

Except he wasn't put there by the Arbiter (who apparently slept while Devos and Uther did their mob justice). So there's a good chance he actually didn't. Yet WotLK Sylvanas did, because reasons.

arthas was trash, uther did the right thing he deserves to suffer forever

devos did nothing wrong!

[TheFirstOnes]

Except he wasn't put there by the Arbiter (who apparently slept while Devos and Uther did their mob justice). So there's a good chance he actually didn't. Yet WotLK Sylvanas did, because reasons.

Sylvanas 100% got judged. The Jailer probably took advantage of what happened between Arthas and Sylvanas.

[Varodoc]

let's remember that arthas massacred a city, let's remember that arthas betrayed his men, that he betrayed the mercenaries, that he almost killed muradin, arthas was already a bad person before he was undead and as undead he did all the evil things that did of his own free will

Let's remember that that's the point of redemption. To atone for your crimes, after realizing that your path was wrong. All redeemed villains did horrible things in the past. There's a reason why it's called "redemption"...

[bagina]

Wow, it was fucking nothing.

[Mehrunes]

Maybe the denizens of the Shadowlands can't interfere in the world of the living, which explains why they left the shards of Frostmourne behind.

The coconut peddler that was Vol'jin's arch-nemesis was taken out by Bwonsamdi.