It's the same issue with Rittenhouse. You want to argue "threat of imminent death or great bodily harm"? You need a lot more than "things might evolve in a really bad direction from here". You need "he's got the weapon aimed at my friend and he's gonna shoot unless I shoot him first" levels of "oh fuck". You don't get to pre-empt the potential for escalation of violence by escalating it yourself to lethal force.
The scope of it is insane. 15-20 deputies are members of the internal gang? They were actively recruiting multiple additional members in a competition where only 2 can join each year, no women or people of color?
How is the entire department not placed on leave pending a full investigation of criminal behavior and, at best, officers not blowing the whistle earlier? Because it sure seems like much of the department would have to be actively complicit in knowing about and covering up for the gang. Especially considering teh allegation that he gang runs the whole station.
I'm sure this will be like most whistleblower situations though. The cops will cover everything up and there will be no consequences as they continue their behavior. The whistleblower will either be fired and blacklisted from working in law enforcement ever again, or will be harassed until he quits and the continue to be harassed until he leaves the city.
We've seen this before.
Shanna Lopez - https://www.dmagazine.com/publicatio...ng-inside-dpd/
Cariole Horne - https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2020...police-officer
Joe Crystal - https://www.huffpost.com/entry/balti...stal_n_7582374
Laura Schook - https://www.wlky.com/article/police-...-fired/3758255
Sean Gannon - https://steemit.com/news/@johnvibes/...w-cop-for-rape
Regina Tasca - https://www.pix11.com/2015/03/13/bog...getting-fired/
1. Right wing talking points = straw man arguments that have been put together. There’s not much to explain. I’m sorry it offends your sensibilities.
2. Both YouTube content creators have framed the content as ‘something you not supposed to see’ or that the ‘mainstream media is not showing you’. It’s an indictment of the original poster’s predisposition to believe their nonsense conspiracy theories that the shooter wasn’t a murderer.
3. Neither was trying to kill him or remotely even take his life. Yet he took theirs. That same argument you guys are using about self defence? Goes both ways. He brought a gun out to play Rainbow Six. Shit went down. He’s the aggressor. He murdered. Thanks.
I mean, I've seen cases of "mistaken good faith" where the shooter claiming self defense saw them reaching for something at their side and they thought it was a gun, and shot. We see it a lot with cops invoking this defense, which imo isn't in good faith because to them any black dude reaching to his side is going for a gun (CF the kid in Atlanta who got shot a couple years back for reaching for his driver's license).
In this case, it's not unreasonable for the shooter to think these people who had come into town to incite shit might be armed and looking for conflict. And if he saw him reaching for something holstered at his side? It's plausible, at least. It's at best a 50/50 thing, and often relies on how believable the shooter is on the stand (if he goes on the stand at all, it's somewhat rare for defendants to be on the stand). But I could also argue that if he and other protesters had been maced all day, and none shown actual weapons, he should have reasonably thought they were reaching for mace.
I still wouldn't think this guy's self defense claim would hold much water. Especially since the video seems to suggest he started a verbal altercation.
I live in a world where both the right win militia kid and the idiot liberal guy are both guilty of murder. Anyone want to join me?
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/31/us/wh...est/index.html
militia person gets shot and killed.
MMO-Champ the place where calling out trolls get you into more trouble than trolling.
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. There is nothing more or else to it, and there never has been, in any place or time. --Frank Wilhoit
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
Ah, yes. Yup, the guy who killed Jay Bishop/Aaron Danielson is a murderer too. No business anyone’s got running around with guns. People literally just taking advantage of the situation for their own goals. Trump is right in that regard, the people creating chaos are anarchists. But they’re also not really aligned with the protesters, though he’s gonna ignore that bit.
That said, I did find it interesting how when this particular Nazi sympathiser was murdered (he did not deserve to die), everyone on the right from Andy Ngo to some lady posting that he was her best friend, went into full pearl clutch mode. Yes, it’s a tragedy that their friend was murdered. He should not have been.
But it’s the same people ignoring Floyd, Taylor, McClain, Prude, Blake and many more. What winds me up is this party line acknowledgment of crimes. Why should anyone die? It’s just not on. And all of these deaths can be avoided if criminal justice reform takes top priority. And hate groups across the board are addressed.
And the stupid fucking 2A.
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
They’d be fighting for their way of life anyway. Trump has just created a permission structure for that way of life. But the divide down the middle goes back 250 odd years. It’s what happens when a massive Union like this exists. Politicians especially love the divide. Look at every second country. India, Russia, Brazil, China, even the U.K., Canada and Australia have the same issues but at a less severe level. Party lines and tribes over actual patriotism. Not the flag waving shit that jingoists love.
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Is that any different from left wingers defending rioters and looters?
I mean they burned down a pawn shop in Minn. Then we find out there was a body found in there. They loot a pawn shop in St Lewis, oh and killed and elderly black man that showed up to his friends business when they had broken in. They killed an 8 year old child in Atlanta after burning down the Wendy's and setting up camp there.
They now seem to be trying the block people in buildings and burning them down? Is that ok?
Like I said earlier, I personally can see how the case is not cut and dry. I am not sure if he was in the right or not. I am sad that the events happened and that 2 people are dead.
But your right to some "right wingers" they think he was justified.
Just like to some "left wingers" the actions of the "peaceful protesters" are justified.
Team sports at its best. People are dying for it now, peoples lives are being destroyed for it now. Everyone has to build the narrative so that their side is always right. The other side is always wrong. No middle ground. The other side can never have a point. If they have facts that dispute your ideas, ignore them. If they have thoughts different from yours, they are subhuman.
Two points to note: -
1. No one with their head screwed on is defending anyone who’s rioting and looting. Not Biden. Not Harris. Not anyone in the Party. Not their voters who aren’t morons. Not anyone with the US’ best interests at heart.
2. It’s important not to meld peaceful protests and rioting/looting into one. There are MANY MANY peaceful protests continuing without people rioting/looting, because the latter is not intrinsically associated with the former, no matter how much Conservative media tries to say so.
Apart from that, I agree. Party line loyalty is ridiculous in the face of actual crises that demand unity. It’s not exclusive to Trump-era America but it’s definitely been exacerbated by the Tea Party politics since 2010 odd and then this new far right GOP under Trump.
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