It is f***ing BANANAS WoW still doesn't have a Housing system

[Ifeanychukwu]

I dont want housing, it doesnt fit in wow.

I guess your headcannon is that our player characters just sleep in the street while we're not online then? That's a ridiculous stance to take anyway. That would be like me saying "I don't think "XYZ" feature should be in the game because I don't like it." Just because you don't want something or believe that it doesn't belong doesn't mean that other people don't feel the complete opposite.

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That works for ff14 community, will never work with wow community and even type of game (all about min-max). I wouldn't give a s*** about housing, the only "new people" I meet are the russians from some keys when we're not enough from the guild.... I dont make new friends in wow outside of my guild. The people who care about housing and "RP" are already playing FF14.

I play wow to clear things to get stuff to clear harder things with pals who want to do the same things as me, I dont play to meet new random people "playing real life" in wow...

News flash dude... not everyone plays the game the same way as you. People have different interests and values, I know it's a hard concept but not everyone feels the exact same way as you.

[Edward Wu]

Housing is pure social interaction

Lmao no it isn't. Nobody cares about your generic apartment with the same assets used as everyone else. People barely visit their own apartments in FFXIV let alone have their friends over in some weird virtual hangout space.

[Ifeanychukwu]

Claiming it is hugley popular among WoW players becuse it is popular in other games does not = putting more thought into your opinion. Also, every other game having housing does not mean WoW has to. WoW has proven to be far more popular than those games despite NOT having housing. The way you talk, all those games should have millions of players while WoW is circling the drain. WoW sets itself apart by not having housing. And who cares where your toon is when you are chilling out online? It makes no difference.

As I said before, it is far better to use resources on things like dungeons, raids, Torghast, Warfronts, Island Expiditions and things like that over wasting it on player housing so a vocal minority can play house. IF you want to do that, go play those other games that have it. Wow is perfectly fine without it and is massively more popular than any other MMO that has it.

WoW isn't more popular because of its lack of housing. WoW is more popular because it was the biggest and most well realized fantasy world translated to MMO in its time and has 20+ years of loyal fans and many expansions worth of sunk cost fallacy keeping players coming back and preventing them from leaving the game for other games, though even that is changing. FFXIV is quickly catching up to WoW while WoW does nothing but lose players because of Blizzards insistence on stretching players play times with arbitrary grinds because they're incapable of thinking up actually engaging systems and content that isn't timegated to hell.

Also, FFXIV has all of those raids, dungeons and extra optional content as well as an incredibly robust housing system and community. What's even more is that they add new content like raids, dungeons and reputations that don't feel like shit to work towards as well as new housing items and customizations with every major and many of the minor patches. Even with their much more impressive patch release schedules they still find the time to engage with their community and do livestreams every month if not even more frequently to stay in touch with their players. Meanwhile here we all are, still waiting on a release date for pre-patch with zero communication from Blizzard while there's still tons of bugs and unfinished content from Shadowlands.

Housing would give myself and I would wager many other players renewed interest in the game and add hundreds of hours of new gameplay to the game. The fact that people are still railing against it because of this shitty "hurr durr me no like so other players shouldn't have it either" mentality is ridiculous. I despise M+ after two expansions of needlessly tedious trash in dungeons but you won't hear me advocating for the discontinuation of M+ because I understand that some people enjoy that content above all other forms of content in the game.

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Lmao no it isn't. Nobody cares about your generic apartment with the same assets used as everyone else. People barely visit their own apartments in FFXIV let alone have their friends over in some weird virtual hangout space.

My FC house in XIV regularly had a dozen or more people hanging out at our mansion. I met tons of new friends just hanging out in the garden or market board talking to FC mates that I otherwise would have never interacted with if not for our FC house. FFXIV is a different beast than WoW in that people actually socialize in game. Customizing homes is a huge topic of discussion for people that are into the feature whereas the only content in WoW is relegated to solo queues and even guildies hardly communicate in guild chat unless it will somehow benefit them or further their goals in game.

Also no, actually take a look at some of the housing in FFXIV and you will see the huge variety of customization that is possible with their housing. No two homes look the same... unless someone less imaginative uses someone elses home design for their own home.

[kaminaris]

So just to be clear, youll accept "its magic" as a response to every single other immersion breaking situation in wow, but not "where is my house?". Yeah, no double standard there at all.....

Its NOT immersion breaking, those examples of yours. Wierdest shit happened in WoW like alternative timeline, time manipulation etc.

But "champion" not having a place to sleep is fucking ridiculous.

[Mosha]

Its NOT immersion breaking, those examples of yours. Wierdest shit happened in WoW like alternative timeline, time manipulation etc.

But "champion" not having a place to sleep is fucking ridiculous.

There is absolutely nothing immersion breaking from not having a house wtf lol. You could literally just go to your garrison if you want to be that immersed, you have a place to 'sleep' there and it is technically all 'yours'.

This is like saying "It's immersion breaking that my character doesn't have to take a shit twice a day" dude come TF on.

[scvd]

They have wasted zero time on housing, because they have been smart enough not to bother. So this statement really doesnt make any sense at all.

"Smart enough" is rich, and goes towards my point.

If you can't make sense of the statement, regardless of my wording, that's on you bud.

[bloodwulf]

If we got one in today's design climate, it will have a 1 week cd on enter the front door, and you can only earn wallpaper from Mythic Raids.

[LordTakeo]

I absolutely don't care about player housing in an MMO. Now, GUILD HOUSING; a place to develop as a community, that's something I would be into. And it would finally give guilds some needed meaning back. Last expansion guilds got love was Cata.

See, that is something I can agree on. Guild Housing as a group effort, making guilds valueable again, without making them a gold farming business back when it was used for that.

I really disliked player housing in FFXIV. But boy, I'd love guild housing.

[Raelbo]

What my point comes back to again, is principle. Its this relentless capitalism that I dont agree with, and blizzard demonstrates it.

I agree, and said as much in an earlier response. But I honestly think it's a far bigger issue than Blizzard. It's pretty much the entire model upon which a country like the US is built, and it's not going to change until the values of society change.

Would a loss of the store mean they re-evaluate WoW's budget? Almost certainly. Why though? It already makes insane profits, they should be able to outline a plan for an expansion, what they need resource wise to do it, and get it done regardless with the money they rake in from subs plus expansion costs. It all ties back to greed.

As I said, I agree. They should be able to do that. But they won't. Once you accept that, then it's clear that the shop isn't the problem.

Also the Pareto principle is definitely applied to the gaming market. They talk about it every single year at GDC conference and most major companies have built their finances around it. EA, Ubisoft, Blizzard etc.

The issue I was taking is that you seemed to be trying to use it as proof of something. I would agree that the Pareto principle would probably fairly accurately predict that 80% of the shop sales come from 20% of the playerbase. But that doesn't indicate what percentage of WoW's total revenue comes from the shop, nor does it prove that those whales are spending an unhealthy amount of money on the shop.

[Qnubi]

Imagine caring this much about a virtual apartment in a video game.

Pretty sure I could check your post history and find similar posts of a different part of WoW that you care about. "Imagine caring this much about a virtual [insert your topic] in a video game."

[Balrog]

At least half of the "hype" over this expansion is the customization options. I fully expect housing to show up next time, they're out of ideas.

Don't expect them to do it right, though. They enjoy stealing ideas but they don't push them far.

[Sevarin]

I'd be mad if they added housing while so many things in game needs fixing. And no they can't do both, it's called limited resources.

well said. cant have different teams for different aspects in a game. adding a 20-40 person team for housing would absolutely demolish blizzard financially. at a 95,543 yearly salary average base pay for a software engineer at blizzard, this would require about 21,231 year long subs at 15 a month to pay for the year on a 40 man team, after all.

do i believe housing would pull in enough subs to count for that? absolutely if done right. for a limited example, sims 4, the game that is at least 50% housing, has sold 200 million copies in 20 years. even if you were to say that 99.9% of the people bought the game for reasons other than housing or quit, you still have 200k people that play the game.

player housing is a very important aspect to many people. even the terrible limited housing in ff14 has a huge fan base and they cant release housing wards fast enough to satisfy people. on the us servers alone, there are 120,960 housing plots currently, and the vast majority, other than possibly some extremely low population servers, are taken. theres currently a hold on demolitions due to covid, but even when there isnt, the odds of finding an open plot are fairly low. ff14 doesnt do housing very well. its decent. its worse than wildstar by a fairly large margin. even so, there are websites that are completely dedicated to it, and there are many people that literally only stay subbed to the game for housing.

[Diatribe]

I remember spending so much time doing stuff to decorate my place when I played EQ2. I can imagine Blizzard could easily surpass all that if they tried, but after 15 years and still haven't means they don't care about it.

[Lynkeus]

I prefer that resource to be spent on more functional things that will be benefit to the actual gameplay like dungeons/raids/cool spells or better things like mage tower than some furniture that only I will see occasionally.

[kaminaris]

There is absolutely nothing immersion breaking from not having a house wtf lol. You could literally just go to your garrison if you want to be that immersed, you have a place to 'sleep' there and it is technically all 'yours'.

This is like saying "It's immersion breaking that my character doesn't have to take a shit twice a day" dude come TF on.

Come on dude, listen to yourself.

• Champion
• Tons of money
• Walking with kings/chiefs
• Knowing literally every important figure
• God walking on earth Azeroth
• Titanslayer
• No house place to stay

This is fucking ridiculous. This is not only ridiculous but counter logical. Garrison is technically not your house but personal fortress built to serve a different purpose, also obsolete.

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I prefer that resource to be spent on more functional things that will be benefit to the actual gameplay like dungeons/raids/cool spells or better things like mage tower than some furniture that only I will see occasionally.

This is not going to happen as game will never be catered just to you so that argument is completely invalid. The same as argument as people thinking that blizzard will "balance things" if they don't add classes. Which is pure delusion

[Mosha]

Come on dude, listen to yourself.

• Champion
• Tons of money
• Walking with kings/chiefs
• Knowing literally every important figure
• God walking on earth Azeroth
• Titanslayer
• No house place to stay

This is fucking ridiculous. This is not only ridiculous but counter logical. Garrison is technically not your house but personal fortress built to serve a different purpose, also obsolete.

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This is not going to happen as game will never be catered just to you so that argument is completely invalid. The same as argument as people thinking that blizzard will "balance things" if they don't add classes. Which is pure delusion

I can also use this argument for taking a dump. My character has to take a dump eventually right? Never seen him do it. Also the fact that you are splitting hairs on the garrison nonsense proves to me you are just arguing to argue. You CAN immerse yourself as your garrison being your house, easily. Just because there is MORE stuff than just one house doesn't instantly mean it's immersion breaking.

You are being ridiculous, if you think there should be houses, that's fine...just don't go arguing this nonsense of 'immersion' breaking. I can argue the entire game up and down being immersion breaking using your type of logic.

[Ealyssa]

Wildstar had maybe the most well made housing in any MMORPG ever.

Loved to visit the best house I could find. For a day. Then I really didn't give a fuck.
Really, what's the point of playing the sims in an MMORPG ? And don't get me wrong, nothing bad with liking the sims. But then just play the sims ?

Not every single gameplay bit of different game genre needs to be in wow. We don't need housing as much as we don't need a kart race in the gardens of Stormwind.

[therealbowser]

I can also use this argument for taking a dump. My character has to take a dump eventually right? Never seen him do it. Also the fact that you are splitting hairs on the garrison nonsense proves to me you are just arguing to argue. You CAN immerse yourself as your garrison being your house, easily. Just because there is MORE stuff than just one house doesn't instantly mean it's immersion breaking.

You are being ridiculous, if you think there should be houses, that's fine...just don't go arguing this nonsense of 'immersion' breaking. I can argue the entire game up and down being immersion breaking using your type of logic.

Actually this is false. I mean they're even talking about the Garrison here where you can do just that.

That said I agree that calling it "immersion breaking" is a weak argument, especially since Blizzard has given zero shits about that for over a decade. I want housing because it's another style of cosmetic progression, because I think it would be fun. I've long since realized it's never going to happen since virtually anything that isn't directly related to mechanical progression will never see the light of day.

Maybe once Blizzard gets a little more desperate we'll see housing, but I doubt it, sadly.

[minteK917]

Lmao no it isn't. Nobody cares about your generic apartment with the same assets used as everyone else. People barely visit their own apartments in FFXIV let alone have their friends over in some weird virtual hangout space.

Can tell you never played this game lmao. We have venue with more attente then any of wow capital city ever has. And its a medium pop server. Plus you can freely move into any server on your shard. So you can go to venue of other servers.

Hell with the rise of GTA rp. Housing possibility (not joke like wow garrisson where you cant do shit) is a lot of subs. Even in wow, most people care more about their transmog then the actual game funnily enough. Housing is really the same mechanic.

Its clear to me that if you ever even played ff14, all you did was level up and thats it. You clearly did not have the time to understand your server community. Otherwise you would have found out half your server is doing stuff in those housing district at any given time.

[Theosis]

WOw, the most successful MMO oif all time has no housing and has been more succesful than any MMO with housing.

You want to pay house? Sims --> WoW is massively successful without it.

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THen go play FFXIV. Wow was massively successful without it and it does not need it. Also a vocal minority does not = rather popular.

Wow was massively popular without Transmog and many many other things. Your argument is invalid.