why doesn't classic live up to vanilla?
1) layers and their consequences
2) crossrealm battlegrounds
why doesn't classic live up to vanilla?
1) layers and their consequences
2) crossrealm battlegrounds
A thread about how Classic isn't the amazing megahardcore super extreme like you remember vanilla being (it wasn't).
First two posts are 100% pure crystalised COPE blaming the community.
Like Pottery.
Tonight for me is a special day. I want to go outside of the house of the girl I like with a gasoline barrel and write her name on the road and set it on fire and tell her to get out too see it (is this illegal)?
It's exactly this, this was a prevalent issue on Nostalrius too and it carried into Classic. "speed clear" records weren't a thing in Vanilla...in many cases Vanilla had the struggle of "can we even manage 40 people tonight". Events like the AQ gates were ruined because players were just stockpiling mats for turn-ins because they knew what they'd need. A fantastic example is how most people didn't use flasks or food until AQ/Naxx content because they were just flat out too expensive and they're really not needed until that point.
BC will have less issue I'm sure, just because Blizzard made BC with significantly better features and a more clear direction of what you had to do.
you do realise mc was cleared in lvling greens and half the group not even being 60,also many people have been 20 maning it,im pretty sure that easily made up for the 1.12 difference,i mean seriously...how delusional can a person be to think that it would take people WEEEKS to learn ....how...to...GET OUT OF THE FIRE DEREK!!! /facepalm
the only difference from 1.12 to old is that the bosses would have taken a few extra minutes to kill,it doesnt make them mecanicaly challengind to the point of MC LASTING WEEEEKS
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same here,played until first mc clear and pre bis,it simply was far to booring,and out of all my retail friends(i got around 70 ish),literaly only ONE stuck with it....so i find it kinda odd how OP thinks retail players are ruining classic...by...not playing it?
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Appreciate your time with friends and family while they're here. Don't wait until they're gone to tell them what they mean to you.
I find it funny that people collectively see Nostalrius as the pinacle of vanilla, but the fact is that the server wasn't that great when it wasn't "mainstream". It had A LOT of issues and bugs that you don't see on Classic, and it was only famous bc it was the least buggy of all the other vanilla servers, which btw vanilla wasn't that much sought after in the PS scene, TBC and specially Wotlk were more common. In terms of actual quality, Nostalrius was shit and people praise it bc of the rose tinted glasses that everyone uses, plus the fact that the server pretty much got famous after being a "martyr" in the PS scene after the cease and desist letter from blizzard
You don't understand. Having an unpayed full time job that no one appreciates is the magic of classic.
It's about the journey. The journey into depression. The journey of running a daycare full of middle-aged alcoholics ignoring their SOs and avoiding social engagements to fulfill something they wanted 15 years ago before everyone realized it's not hard at all.
Nope, classic was fun for a while, but it's way too easy.
They didn't "present an authentic vanilla experience" like they claimed their goal was.
If they truly believed in that goal, they would of buffed raids to account for being on the 1.12 patch, and immensely increased player knowledge.
Don't let the #nochanges smoothbrains trick you into thinking literally no changes makes any sense.
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Re-capture the magic? Ya, probably not.
Re-capture the difficulty? They could of done any number of things to make raids harder to "create an authentic vanilla experience" like they claimed their goal was. They failed in that goal.
The first couple of weeks felt transportive but it became clear that a large number of players, certainly the most vocal and influential for Blizzard's eventual decisions on phase releases, were just mach'ing through levels.
I added a lot of people to my friends list when we were just, yanno, neighborhood kids in Lakeshore, and couldn't believe how far ahead they'd be a couple days later.
It seemed an ironic combination of Vanilla's incredible time commitment for leveling past the mid-30s and WoW's remaining player base, 15 years later, of content steamshovels.
Saving grace is that Classic has the best of both group and solo leveling content. Pick a class and play it as intended and more than half your quests are engaging puzzles. I actually resubbed this week and merrily creeping into the 50s.
Classic is Vanilla. But we're in 2020. Minmax culture has infected every aspect of every game, whereas in 2004 it was nearly nonexistent.
Easy answer.
Interesting. Because from my PoV of playing retail the last year, the community has been infinitely better since classic came out. All of those "retail edgelord" that poison the community seem to be mostly old players dreaming of the "good ol' days" when WoW was still "good". Stuck living in the year 2005. Thankfully most of them seem to have jumped ship to Classic. They ruined retail for years. Now they have ruined classic. They will ruin TBC, WotLK and any future servers as well.
I just hope they mostly stay off retail, it has been nice. Also, Nostalrius didn't have the "actual" vanilla players, it just had a drastically smaller community. The bigger any game gets, the more bad apples its going to attract.
I think I would have enjoyed classic more if I chose a meta class. I picked shaman because it's what I played back in 05', but back then I wasn't a tryhard and barely raided MC/ZG before TBC released. I think I would have enjoyed myself more if I made a warrior, rogue or mage. I don't genuinely enjoy healing which is what you're forced to do if you want to raid as a shaman and I didn't like how subpar elemental/enhancements DPS was compared to the more meta specs. It would be different if classic was more balanced, but it's not. Atleast with TBC classic, specs will be more tuned and there won't be such an obvious gap in performance between specs. As long as you parse 90% or higher, you should be able to complete any raid as any spec. That's not the case in classic, you either roll X, Y or Z specific spec or you ride the bench.
Eager to play TBC classic though, will definitely reroll a more meta-flavored class next time around.
Most likely the wisest Enhancement Shaman.