"Bring the super catapults with the flaming spikeballs to the shores of the wood fortress"
Hmmmm
Agreed there were definitely missed opportunities in MoP. They essentially took a nose dive on his arc. They actually admitted their intent there but still excuted it in a weird manner.
I liked the Garrosh that kept Sylvannas in check and that samw Garrosh that threw the overlord off the ledge in stonetalon. If they kept in that direction, a Garrosh arc could have been rather interesting.
I wish they don't return to the faction conflict but like others have said, its just deep rooted into the game/lore. Just a matter of time before that starts up again. My hope is that if it comes to it, they would just keep it in the back drop and not make it the main theme of the expac.
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"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
Sylvanas told everyone, Saurfang and the player included, that the goal was to capture the tree and kill Malfurion, so the Alliance could not use their ports to move azerite.
She lied about every reason for the invasion to make it seem like it could be "A Good War" and get Saurfang on board, then betrayed that trust in every way possible over the course of the expansion. Both Saurfang's trust, and by extension, ours. It was not A Good War, it was evil, a war against hope from inside and outside the Horde, and anyone who would not relinquish that were her enemies, even without lifting a hand against her.
Sylvanas betrayed the Horde, a traitor long before the gates of Orgrimmar.
I think it's laid out pretty well - the siege equipment is being maneuvered to point at Teldrassil, mostly so that scouts atop Teldrassil can report that the city is effectively surrounded and the Horde ready to open fire at any moment.
This is all while Saurfang is prepping the supposed ground assault on Teldrassil he assumed is taking place next, as was the original plan - and Sylvanas is talking to a dying Delaryn Summermoon before she issues her command to straight-up burn down Teldrassil.Originally Posted by A Good War
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
Just goes to show that very few people actually knew what the hell Sylvannas was planning. To her own admission she changed the plan to setting it ablaze after Saurfang refused to kill Malfurion. But in reality in the context of the Shadowlands she was going to do it regardless.
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
The only thing that was abosuletly batshit stupid regarding the whole War of Throns is Saurfang and/or Sylvanas NOT KILLING MALFURION THERE AND THEN.
It DOES NOT MATTER who or how but Malfurion should be long dead.
It would even be a good plot-line for Shadowlands, as just like Ysera, Malfurion would probably end up in Ardenweald as well so Tyrande could meet him there.
Malfurion ahs literally no presence in WoW anymore, he is too OP to be a faction leader that actually does something against the other faction but also too OP for players to actually interact with.
He has no personality, no goals outside "mY bEloVeD" and literally zero character growth or changes since Warcraft 3.
He is literally only in the game to be in the game.
Tyrande is the same old boring non-character but at least she got the night warrior shit going on now.
Malfurion has nothing.
It was the perfect time to write him out, give actual stakes to the war while simultaniously also setting up a nice reveal for Shadowlands (which Blizzard knew at the time was being made anyway).
My 2 cents.
Based on the in-game presentation it was a goodly mix of people, although the forces present in Darkshore weren't very large as it was meant to be a lightning and surprise attack on Teldrassil while the rest of the Alliance and the Horde was occupied with the fighting in Silithus.
I don't think many people did know in the immediate sense, no; although it likely became common knowledge once the soldiers at Darkshore spread the word to their peers back in Orgrimmar and other Horde settlements.
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
People can be both, though "trolled by a single night elf" is a stupid way of putting it that I've never agreed with because I read the books. Someone can be cunning and manipulative and yet still make fatal mistakes when the right emotional buttons are pressed.
I could go back further and say she betrayed the Horde when she murdered her own forsaken who were trying to run back into her open arms for daring to consider hope of a better future.
Or go back even further, to when she captured a horde death knight for years of brainwashing experiments for daring to work with the alliance against a common enemy of the scourge instead of securing victory.
Sylvanas is Sylvanas. A terrible leader, and a terrible person.
Yea i would think the word of that event would spread but i do wonder if there was a distortion of that for example those that didn't go to Ashenvale. What was the version of the story they heard there? It's so different when you hear of what occurred via rumors and hearsay versus being in Ashenvale and witnessing the horror. Then you can have all this clouded with the Alliance Invasion of Lorderon. The message gets diluted and shifted.