Does the time difference matter?

[Biomega]

I mentioned this earlier but it's less of a player-related issue and more of a sponsor-related issue (assuming guilds continue streaming progression). It's gonna suck if prime-time viewing hours are in the middle of the fucking night for an entire region.

Have you actually thought about this, or is this just an off-the-cuff remark without any consideration?

Because right now NA resets at 11am Eastern Time, which is 5pm Central European Time. And so you seem to argue that 5pm-1am (which is 8 hours of raiding) is "not prime time", while 11am-7pm is. And you also seem to assume that the entire target audience is located in exactly the same time zone as the event they're watching.

[Beuargh]

this is a race and some competitors have to wait 16h after the start of the race to engage. does that matter? lol .....

... and those benefiting of an headstart coming here like "oh you butthurt LAL" ... smh

[Relapses]

Have you actually thought about this, or is this just an off-the-cuff remark without any consideration?

Because right now NA resets at 11am Eastern Time, which is 5pm Central European Time. And so you seem to argue that 5pm-1am (which is 8 hours of raiding) is "not prime time", while 11am-7pm is. And you also seem to assume that the entire target audience is located in exactly the same time zone as the event they're watching.

At the beginning of the stream, sure. But these are 12+ hour streams. And most of the exciting progression tends to happen at the end of the streams which would be in the middle of the night for the EU folks.

[Kitrana]

Honestly Blizzard should fix it, EU players should not point on that as sole factor and NA players should be rather confident and say that sure fix the difference and NA will still be first instead calling others out for pointing it out.

[Yarathir]

Honestly Blizzard should fix it, EU players should not point on that as sole factor and NA players should be rather confident and say that sure fix the difference and NA will still be first instead calling others out for pointing it out.

Yeah. Funny how people insist it makes no difference at all and US is just better (which they very well might be), but they're not secure enough in that to accept looking into ways to make it the race less lopsided.

Doesn't sound very confident to me tbh.

[Darkeon]

If a competition has such a disparity in starting times it's not a serious enough competition to get bothered about.

Time for global releases. These guilds will not be bothered with having to raid at weird hours.

[Rainez6]

Of course it matters, its the 'race' to world first, guess what happens in a race? Everyone starts at the same time. Can you imagine a country in the Olympics getting a 600m headstart in a 1500m race?? Well they finished first so it doesn't matter right. Of course it matters. A race is participated in with everyone starting at the same time, simple.

Regardless unless blizzard do something about it then the only way we can define the race as it stands is by whoever kills it first regardless of whether they started 16 hours before or a week. Blizzard should simply talk to some of the guilds in the top 100 or put a poll out there, emails etc and get some idea on when these guilds think they should start the 'race' in the next mythic raid. I'm sure they can come up with a reasonable start time that makes it fairer for everyone. Otherwise this debate will go on forever where if US get it first then they have an advantage and its unfair and if EU get it first then you get people saying they far superior because they got it first despite starting later.

[Declaron]

Sorry to get slightly off topic here, I get that changing the region reset times probably has a million problems inherent to it (at a guess they would need to bring the EU/CN/KR zones back to match the US one since that one is first, which would mean some really fucking wierd shit with the resets where EU would get a 6 day reset and CN/KR would get a 5 day reset within that week for example. but my main question is why are they actually different anyway? There must be a reason why the regions reset on different days that is something to do with systems and not time zones etc.

I have a feelings its to do with "bring US servers back online after reset, find massive issue, take them down, fix issue, EU/CN/KR now not affected by this issue" type thing but not sure eh

The other thing to take into account is there is a LOT OF STUFF that happens on the weekly reset outside of mythic launches and raidlock resets.

[Biomega]

At the beginning of the stream, sure. But these are 12+ hour streams. And most of the exciting progression tends to happen at the end of the streams which would be in the middle of the night for the EU folks.

And they happen during the morning/early afternoon for NA folks - your point being? What do you think is more likely for a gaming-related audience, people waking up early or people staying up late? And that's just for the people who are, in fact, in exactly the same time zone as the streamers - not for people all over the world who are watching at very different times, and for whom this is not nearly as much of a problem.

[Rainez6]

Even if blizzard did just say OK next mythic will unlock and reset on a Thursday at 11am NA time (just an example) and whatever time that is for EU so they all start and reset at same time then the top guilds will work around it, plan there sleep and schedule etc during the race. Its really not that difficult to make it fair.

[Declaron]

Of course it matters, its the 'race' to world first, guess what happens in a race? Everyone starts at the same time. Can you imagine a country in the Olympics getting a 600m headstart in a 1500m race?? Well they finished first so it doesn't matter right. Of course it matters. A race is participated in with everyone starting at the same time, simple.

You miss out a lot of factors, to analogise the "600m" country in this case being the US (Also your 600m out of 1500m is really badly scaled, it works out more like 140m). The "EU" country then gets to watch the US stumble over loads of holes in the road, make wrong turns, see what the pace is, and in turn the US team gets to change its running shoes with 100m to go.

[Rainez6]

You miss out a lot of factors, to analogise the "600m" country in this case being the US (Also your 600m out of 1500m is really badly scaled, it works out more like 140m). The "EU" country then gets to watch the US stumble over loads of holes in the road, make wrong turns, see what the pace is, and in turn the US team gets to change its running shoes with 100m to go.

Was just using it as an example, didn't work out the exact math. Point is there will always be this downplay if/when NA gets world first and it takes it away from there achievement just because they started earlier. I fully believe limit would of got the world first regardless if they got headstart or not but they just need to eliminate this 'headstart' factor.

[Einsz]

So your argument is that the actual world first race is hosted in the US?

Ok then.

No, there is no hosted race to begin with. The region is called America + Oceania. US =/= America + Oceania. With current format of developer releasing their product in America + Oceania first in order to have best chance to win you should play there.
Btw your last 2 posts are strawman, please learn how to bring up proper arguement in discussion.

[Lillpapps]

What people in this thread dont seem to get is that it's not that Limit started the race a day earlier than Echo that mattered.

It's that their second week started 16 hours earlier. They had time to do full clears of heroic and do pulls on Sire while EU still hadn't reset. Echo had to skip the heroic splits because Limit was so close to killing it. They had to fight Sire with worse gear than Limit only because US gets reset one day earlier. They dont care about first week start time unless last boss is killable first week which very rarely happens.

Im not saying Limit won because of the splits but the race will continue to be very unfair as long as weekly reset isn't global.

[Whitedragon]

So I hear a lot saying the time difference between us and eu isn't fair.

That echo had 16 hours to down it.

I can understand that downs while only us has access can't be claimed as world first.

Its only logical that a boss that is downed while only us has access, cannot be claimed as world first.

Is there a better way to determine world first?

I find it funny because we have had plenty of form topics over the years about the same thing in reverse with Eu claiming world firsts (level cap, raids, ect), and the usual response was "It counts, the extraneous conditions don't matter, who ever got it first got it first..." So no it's all fine and good.

[Maruka]

With the entire thing being streamed it doesnt matter at all.

[Yarathir]

No, there is no hosted race to begin with. The region is called America + Oceania. US =/= America + Oceania. With current format of developer releasing their product in America + Oceania first in order to have best chance to win you should play there.
Btw your last 2 posts are strawman, please learn how to bring up proper arguement in discussion.

Honestly, I'd rather just let you keep posting because it amuses me. Is that okay?

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I find it funny because we have had plenty of form topics about the same thing in reverse with Eu claiming world firsts (level cap, raids, ect), and the usual response was "It counts, the extraneous conditions don't matter, who ever got it first got it first..." So no it's all fine and good.

Except that is when the EU wins with a disadvantage. You'd have an argument if the EU had an advantage in those cases.

[Whitedragon]

Except that is when the EU wins with a disadvantage. You'd have an argument if the EU had an advantage in those cases.

EU has had an advantage in cases over the years.... we have had first to max level many MENY times before the Expansion was even out in the US realms. likewise we have also had raid launches that opened up in other regions outside of the US first...

[Selah]

No, not at all. How many years did EU take WF consecutively again? Why did it not matter for all those years and then suddenly when NA takes the win it's a problem?

[Sinte]

Considering echo didnt down it in 16 hours,no it did not matter.