Is Shadowlands Theme Appropriate?

[GreenJesus]

......fae in general are all grey, even in real world lore. Also never give then your name if they ask "may i have your name?"

The ventyr are supposed to be second worst place to go, literally "it's take your beatings fron us and repent or go to the law forever" their leader just sucks.

Agree about kyrian.

The necrolords intro thing shows yiu how bad the other houses have gotten and corrupted.

Pretty much we are trying to fix the shadowlands.

"Fae in general". yeh, but not these Night Fae. Blizzard didn't write Night Fae like typical fae.

[ZazuuPriest]

I always flask when I raid.. You don't?

tbh i read your comment as you made everyone in a LFR raid flask and i was calling bullshit but now understand that you meant in a normal or hc raid . I do flask for raiding but would never flask for a LFR for obvious reasons.

[Halfaheart]

What a silly bait thread lol I lost it when he claimed to make everybody flask for LFR

[Doffen]

Yes it has some very complicated mechanics

First wing in lfr nathria is the easiest lfr wing since the first one in EN.

On Inerva you get a haste buff if you catch a flask lol

[tikcol]

tbh i read your comment as you made everyone in a LFR raid flask and i was calling bullshit but now understand that you meant in a normal or hc raid . I do flask for raiding but would never flask for a LFR for obvious reasons.

Are you implying that LFR raiders are not really raiders? That's pretty rude.

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please explan what the fuck you mean by "Edgy", you keep throwing words like they mean something but they don't.

Well you know nothing dies anymore. Holy characters are now fit inside rock clothes(looking at you uther ofc)

Even the fairies can't be fairies but some kind of next gen cave dwelling fairies.

All the quests.. They don’t even make any sense.

This expansion is like a low budget spin off. It's like the writers didn't have access to the previois lore and are operating on snipets they found on a fan fiction website

[cparle87]

I do think there is a severe lack of whimsical, non-end of the world content in SL. Every expac has some sort of lighthearted side to it, SL is just dark everywhere. It's really driving the mood down.

We got plenty of whimsical characters. The cute stewards and their toodle-loo-hoo. The dredgers being stereotypically British everymen and snarking at the "fangs" all the time. Even the over the top warmongering maldraxxi got some laughs out of me. The butterfly people stopping in the middle of a battle to find a musical instrument and play a song.

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I don't think it's dark, it feels more... lonely in a way. Kinda claustrophobic. I'm of the opinion that exploring afterlife makes the game's world feels smaller and more restrictive. The zones feel very isolated and closed off and not a part of some bigger world. Lonely islands. Not to mention the whole lore part which I don't appreciate at all. I do enjoy the Venthyr, Fae etc. in a vacuum, but as a part of the WoW's afterlife, not at all.

That's kind of how it's supposed to be. The realms aren't really supposed to be interacting with one another. When you get your escort around Oribos the wardens there tell you they can't remember the last time they sent someone who wasn't just a spirit getting judged to another realm. The Eternal Ones' have never even met in person, communicating via holograms to Oribos.

[Your Mommy]

Oh, and f**k Revendreth. Hated that hellish place. I'd rather be forced to walk through the Maw

Whoa! You better take that back! Revendreth is the best zone in the Shadowlands.
I didn't do the side quests while I was leveling my main there on purpose so I can do them on my alt.

[tikcol]

I lost it when he claimed to make everybody flask for LFR

This discrimination against LFR raiders is very old but I thought it mostly died out.

LFR isn't easy. LFR raiders are raiders and should be treated with respect.

I'd say it's harder than normal and heroic by a long shot. It needs a very firm grip in order for the group not to fall apart.

Mythic is just the unnecessary hard mode nobody really wants. It doesn't even feel rewarding..

That's basically how the easy conclusion is that LFR should be the only difficulty came to me.

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I can't speak for what may come, but I don't think you can get much edgier than BfA...murderous Sylvanas burning down Teldrassil...trying to kill everyone to stop hope. Innocents being burned alive...parents impaled on pikes while their children look up crying

That's not edgy.

It's very realistic.

[Segus1992]

Yes just last night I had to make everyone in the raid use flask otherwise it would be impossible. Very hard right now

This has to be a joke. Right?

[LemonDemonGirl]

Whoa! You better take that back! Revendreth is the best zone in the Shadowlands.
I didn't do the side quests while I was leveling my main there on purpose so I can do them on my alt.

I will admit that I liked the Ember Ward part of the levelling storyline. In fact, I think it started to get 'better' after that part

[tikcol]

This has to be a joke. Right?

Why would I joke about it? I take raiding very seriously. Sometimes the group just needs a firm hand.

[Segus1992]

Why would I joke about it? I take raiding very seriously. Sometimes the group just needs a firm hand.

You take raiding very seriously, and you think LFR is hard and requires the entire raid to use flasks? Yeah, I genuinely can't believe that isn't a joke.

[tikcol]

You take raiding very seriously, and you think LFR is hard and requires the entire raid to use flasks? Yeah, I genuinely can't believe that isn't a joke.

When you wipe 10 times in a row and you manage to wipe the 11th then I believe it's time to drink that flask yes.

LFR has always been hard but lately it's becoming even rougher. I don't know what blizzard is up to.

[Malania]

As soon as I saw the Shadowlands trailer a year ago I started feeling a bit conflicted.

Going back through the expansions there was always a very prevalent theme of defeating evil which made me
question the edginess of Shadowlands as a whole.

Yes there is an evil dark enemy we must 'apparently' oppose. Meanwhile we're gathering other evil entities as allies..
Meetings a bunch of other evil entities we already slew, some of which are now even darker while others simply embraced the Dark.

Everything is so gloomy. Our King got kidnapped by some magical flying creatures in the beginning of the expansion and who knows what they're doing to him.

I feel like WoW got too dark for me and I wish we could go back to fighting with honor for our world instead of partaking in gruesome rituals.

That's half the problem.

It's looking like this theme is just like they did with BFA is distracting the player from the real flaws of the expansion. Especially a lack of meaningful content and or forced interactions between players.

- PvP is a mess.

- Torghast is Expedition Islands 2.0 but with, obviously a dark edgy theme.

- Lore? There's no such thing anymore. RPers are forced into this theme and lack of cohesion.

- LFR is too hard right now. This one especially that is the only appropriate content for players like me to partake in is in a horrid state.

I'm calling it. Troll thread.

[Jazzhands]

When you wipe 10 times in a row and you manage to wipe the 11th then I believe it's time to drink that flask yes.

LFR has always been hard but lately it's becoming even rougher. I don't know what blizzard is up to.

The problem isn't Blizzard.

[Lord Pebbleton]

If I had no idea of what the ocean was, and you pointed at a river and told me it was the sea, I would probably believe you.

In that sense, yes, LFR is raiding. 100%. Ofc.

[slime]

When I look at Oribos now all I see is an airport terminal. It looks like one, the circular layout that goes to different 'planes" to their respective area. The shops look like what you would see at an airport, small stores in a row or like a single merchant at a cart. It takes a bit away from the whole afterlife theme or experience when you see the airport terminal.

But if you always saw the afterlife like it is shown in Beetlejuice, maybe this is perfect.

[Trudamagex]

Pvp hasnt be that fun since MoP.

[Nerovar]

- Lore? There's no such thing anymore. RPers are forced into this theme and lack of cohesion.

This is pretty true. The game has derailed so incredibly hard over the years that it has practically become impossible to cope with the lore changes as an RPer unless you're one of those guys who sits in Stormwind all day and ignores everything happening outside. WoW used to be great for RP which is why it fostered so many incredibly creative communities who created their own content. Even the smaller server communities managed to get into gaming magazines with their big events. Most of those communities are dead by now. There's like only one active RP realm left for every language (on EU that is). It's pretty depressing to think about.

But I don't think this has anything to do with the tone of the expansion but rather with the inconsistency in regards to lore, the out of control scope of the newer expansions, the wacky timescale etc.
They've made a complete mess of it over the last 6-8 years.

[tikcol]

The problem isn't Blizzard.

The player didn't create these overcomplicated and poorly tuned fights that push you to the limit of your sanity..