Sylvanas Windrunner Raid Boss: The Big Elephant in the Room

[Traveler Voltin]

Curious if you can list the things she has done since she was turned undead- or rather, since she escaped Arthas' control.

what is your point?

[bagina]

i am just really tired of this crap. Arthas destroys his kingdom and genocides the high elves and yet Sylvanas some how did way worse.

I know, but what can you do. I have no problems with calling Sylvanas and Arthas evil assholes, but people who pretend Arthas did nothing wrong and can't be held accountable are full of shit. Like they're just acting retarded on purpose.

[Yarathir]

what is your point?

Maybe it'll help you understand why a lot of people think Sylvanas is about as bad, maybe in some cases worse than Arthas by this point.

[bagina]

Maybe it'll help you understand why a lot of people think Sylvanas is about as bad, maybe in some cases worse than Arthas by this point.

That wasn't the point. People shit themselves at the mention of Sylvanas redemption but want Arthas who's just as bad if not worse, redeemed. What's so hard to understand?

[Dazlartist]

I’ll wait till 2023 - give her a lovely charm bracelet then one shot her solo in the raid

[Traveler Voltin]

Maybe it'll help you understand why a lot of people think Sylvanas is about as bad, maybe in some cases worse than Arthas by this point.

how is Sylvanas worse when

Arthas destroyed his own kingdom, genocide the High elves, and helped unleash the burning legion?

[Yarathir]

That wasn't the point. People shit themselves at the mention of Sylvanas redemption but want Arthas who's just as bad if not worse, redeemed. What's so hard to understand?

I'm still waiting for Arthas to willingly ally himself with the Jailer, tbf.

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how is Sylvanas worse when

Arthas destroyed his own kingdom, genocide the High elves, and helped unleash the burning legion?

When Sylvanas

Genocided the Night Elves, raised her own soldiers as mindless undead slaves, reduced living people to goo, used chemical weapons in order to quickly cleanse the land, including her own territory, of enemies.

Attempted to enslave a val'kyr watcher for her own betterment, betrayed the people she was leading and went behind their back to scheme with multiple of their enemies, including leading them into a trap at Nazjatar. Oh, and allied with the Jailer, who isn't a good friend of ours either.

And that's just off the top of my head.

[Traveler Voltin]

I'm still waiting for Arthas to willingly ally himself with the Jailer, tbf.

i was waiting for someone to say this.

you are in the same position as Sylvanas what do you do?

[Yarathir]

i was waiting for someone to say this.

you are in the same position as Sylvanas what do you do?

Not ally myself with the enemy of all life.

[Traveler Voltin]

Not ally myself with the enemy of all life.

so this what will happen to you.

You are tormented for eternity or turned into a meat puppet life anduin.

[Florena]

Neither Arthas nor Sylvanas deserve redemption.

[Yarathir]

so this what will happen to you.

You are tormented for eternity or turned into a meat puppet life anduin.

Cool.
None of that is a reason to throw countless others under that same bus expressly to save your own hide. You know, even assuming your straw-situation were accurate.

[Traveler Voltin]

Cool.
None of that is a reason to throw countless others under that same bus expressly to save your own hide. You know, even assuming your straw-situation were accurate.

you seem to really hate sylvanas.

[Yarathir]

you seem to really hate sylvanas.

No, I think you're just really blind to her actions.

[Gimlix]

they need to be careful here

WoW will be dead for many if this char goes

very old players are very bored with the game and any reason to quit will make them quit

I doubt that, nobody quits over a character. Have yet to hear people complain about being bored.

[bagina]

Not ally myself with the enemy of all life.

So were willing to ignore Arthas' crimes just because he didn't cross some arbitary line you decided determined if someone's worthy of redemption? And not like that argument is even valid because he did in fact willingly became the Jailer's ally when he grabbed the Frostmourne and donned the Helm. He freely chose to serve Death. Just because we didn't use Jailer's name then doesn't change the fact. He was absolutely his minion. So yeah.

No, I think you're just really blind to her actions.

It's not complicated. You either redeem both Sylvanas and Arthas, or you don't redeem either. Can't have one without the other.

[Yarathir]

So were willing to ignore Arthas' crimes just because he didn't cross some arbitary line you decided determined if someone's worthy of redemption?

No, I'm arguing that neither deserve redemption.

At the same time, I'm saying Sylvanas did close to all of the same things Arthas did and then on top of that, she allied with the Jailer willingly. It's additive, you know.

[Dispirit84]

I will. I'll land the killing blow.

[Yarathir]

I will. I'll land the killing blow.

Enjoy the killsteal by a lore npc, maybe Anduin. And that is if Sylvanas doesn't pull an "ENOUGH!" and poof out of there.

[Krothar]

Don't think she will die, Blizzard are backpeddling hard to make it seem like shes regretting what shes doing.

However, voted Tyrande, 'cos if Blizzard actually let her die then might as well give Tyrande some peace.