Stars Are Flirting With the Far Right

[Elegiac]

Social justice is woke BS. We dont do woke BS here in europe.

I take it you googled 'we aren't woke in Europe' and posted the first two links you found without reading them since the first is pretty much just an exploration of how deeply entrenched the postcolonial narrative is in France, and the second is pointing out how there's a reactionary trend in younger Europeans as a result of the 2008 financial crisis and the influx of refugees.

What neither of them do is prove that Europe isn't its own hot bed of problems as regards its colonial legacy, to say nothing of the antisemitic elephant in the room.

[DKjaigen]

I take it you googled 'we aren't woke in Europe' and posted the first two links you found without reading them since the first is pretty much just an exploration of how deeply entrenched the postcolonial narrative is in France, and the second is pointing out how there's a reactionary trend in younger Europeans as a result of the 2008 financial crisis and the influx of refugees.

What neither of them do is prove that Europe isn't its own hot bed of problems as regards its colonial legacy, to say nothing of the antisemitic elephant in the room.

There is no such thing as a colonial legacy thats american woke speak. Their is only the humanist legacy that paved the path to a better world that is embraced by the western world. And since you are woke Elegiac you are not part of that world you are not humanist and you cannot contribute to that world.

[Endus]

Social justice is woke BS. We dont do woke BS here in europe.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/09/w...versities.html
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...o-woke/598783/

The first is only true of some few politicians, and the latter isn't even about anything related to social justice.

also 17 march the Netherlands will have their elections even the socialist party wants nothing to do with woke

https://twitter.com/nieuwsuur/status...40812076707844

Google Translate tells me that quote says about the opposite of what you apparently think it means.

"Social justice" is just "not being an irrational, hateful bigot at people for no reason". That's it. If you're taking issue with social justice, it's because you're a bigot. Period. End discussion. No other possibilities.

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There is no such thing as a colonial legacy thats american woke speak. Their is only the humanist legacy that paved the path to a better world that is embraced by the western world. And since you are woke Elegiac you are not part of that world you are not humanist and you cannot contribute to that world.

Humanism and "wokeness" are essentially the same thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism

"Humanism is a philosophical stance that emphasizes the value and agency of human beings, individually and collectively."

Working to establish and support said value and agency is where things like civil rights and anti-racism and all that kind of stuff derives from. Humanism is the philosophical platform about which wokeness is "awoken" to understanding. Same damned thing, and you have no idea what the fuck you're blathering about.

Or is this you trying to redefine "humanism" to serve a bigoted agenda the same way Hitler tried to redefine "socialism" in pursuit of the same?

[Elegiac]

There is no such thing as a colonial legacy thats american woke speak.

Really going with "there's no such thing as a colonial legacy it's just restricted to one of our former colonies", huh? Lol. Capitalism, patriarchy, colourism, and puritanical views on sexuality being the default until very recently and "the West" having cultural and economic hegemony until very recently are not accidents, hun.

Wokeness is just an effort to acknowledge the lasting impacts of historical injustices, rectify present injustices, and prevent future injustices that were set up and maintained by "the west" since about... oh, 1492 or so (earlier if you count Ireland).

[postman1782]

The rest of world treats woke as a disease. Trust me when i say that the fascist are the last thing you need to worry about.

So, you are saying the terrorists of the last 5 years or so, are the last thing we should worry about? And that the fake "cancel culture" bullshit is more worrysome? Jesus fucking christ, is your worldview ass backwards?

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When anyone says "Far Right", i just assume its a far left person who talks about a person who is not as far left as them.

Nope, far right, are the people going out committing hate crimes, trying to overthrow a democratically held election, and committing terrorist attacks. It isn't our fault that you are so far right that you think centrists are far left.

[Machismo]

There is no such thing as a colonial legacy thats american woke speak. Their is only the humanist legacy that paved the path to a better world that is embraced by the western world. And since you are woke Elegiac you are not part of that world you are not humanist and you cannot contribute to that world.

You're the same guy that got outraged at people exercising their free speech in order to speak out against racism. You called those who opposed racism some pretty reprehensible things, and said they should be punished for opposing it.

So much for your love of humanism...

[Endus]

You're the same guy that got outraged at people exercising their free speech in order to speak out against racism. You called those who opposed racism some pretty reprehensible things, and said they should be punished for opposing it.

So much for your love of humanism...

It's how fascists work.

1> Take a term about collective unity.
2> Redefine who gets to be a part of that unity.
3> Genocide those who've been excluded.
4> Return to 2>

[DKjaigen]

Google Translate tells me that quote says about the opposite of what you apparently think it means.

"Social justice" is just "not being an irrational, hateful bigot at people for no reason". That's it. If you're taking issue with social justice, it's because you're a bigot. Period. End discussion. No other possibilities.

I speak Dutch , German , Danish as well as english and i will tell you that you are wrong.

Humanism and "wokeness" are essentially the same thing.

Oh fuck no. Dont claim you are one of us. It tarnishes the humanist legacy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism

"Humanism is a philosophical stance that emphasizes the value and agency of human beings, individually and collectively."

Working to establish and support said value and agency is where things like civil rights and anti-racism and all that kind of stuff derives from. Humanism is the philosophical platform about which wokeness is "awoken" to understanding. Same damned thing, and you have no idea what the fuck you're blathering about.

Woke seeks to catogerize human beings based on race , gender , sexuality etc etc etc. It is blatant racism but you think its good racism so it is allowed.

Or is this you trying to redefine "humanism" to serve a bigoted agenda the same way Hitler tried to redefine "socialism" in pursuit of the same?

Sorry but since you are woke you lack the required principals and knowledge to pull the hitler card. try again

[DKjaigen]

Really going with "there's no such thing as a colonial legacy it's just restricted to one of our former colonies", huh? Lol. Capitalism, patriarchy, colourism, and puritanical views on sexuality being the default until very recently and "the West" having cultural and economic hegemony until very recently are not accidents, hun.

Wokeness is just an effort to acknowledge the lasting impacts of historical injustices, rectify present injustices, and prevent future injustices that were set up and maintained by "the west" since about... oh, 1492 or so (earlier if you count Ireland).

Indeed we humanist are responsible for banning the slave trade , human rights , woman rights and more. And you have no part in that and you never contributed to that. So why should i take you woke types seriously?

[Felya]

Indeed we humanist are responsible for banning the slave trade , human rights , woman rights and more. And you have no part in that and you never contributed to that. So why should i take you woke types seriously?

Because you created the woke label you ignore human rights... Why did Mitch McConnel withholds finding to violence against women act? Because despite being a humanist who supports it, you got conned by “woke” fear mongering? Is that why while millions of Americans are getting relief, you are too busy with Lola Bunny boobs?

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Don't worry, I'm West-European too and I understand absolutely what you're talking about.
It's always the same small group of people who collectively pat each other on the back on this sub-forum and tell each other they're right while having absolutely no idea what they're even talking about. American "Woke-ism" is very much ridiculed over here on a daily basis in mainstream media or by stand-up comedians.

Is it ridiculed for being too progressive, as the Trump supporter you are agreeing with claims? Is Europe that conservative? That far right?

Birds of a feather...

[DKjaigen]

Don't worry, I'm West-European too and I understand absolutely what you're talking about.
It's always the same small group of people who collectively pat each other on the back on this sub-forum and tell each other they're right while having absolutely no idea what they're even talking about. American "Woke-ism" is very much ridiculed over here on a daily basis in mainstream media or by stand-up comedians.

Americans tend to be ignorant about the world outside their borders unfortunately.

[postman1782]

Indeed we humanist are responsible for banning the slave trade , human rights , woman rights and more. And you have no part in that and you never contributed to that. So why should i take you woke types seriously?

Wrong, with you and Rochana supporting Trump. You aren't humanists, you are at best neo-fascists. Liberals and progressives, you know, the "woke" people that you are whining about, are the people that got those things. Not humanists like you claim to be. Humanists don't support the scum of the Earth like Trump.

[Felya]

One of the things I remember being mocked over the past few weeks is some states funding public school books that try to explain that mathematics and science are "white, western and racist". Me even giving an example is potentially already against the forum rules anyhow... so this isn't discussion that needs to be had further on this forum. It veers into off-topicness as it is already.

Strange... math originated in Middle East... oh and stop being a blind follower.

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Imagine voting for a right-wing status-quo party and then declaring you're changing the world.

Imagine lying to convince people to vote for Trump... when you don’t even live in the country... That’s how low some people go...

[Endus]

I speak Dutch , German , Danish as well as english and i will tell you that you are wrong.

And yet, won't make any attempt to explain how.

I speak French and have a working grasp of German, Latin, and Scots Gaelic, over and above English. Multilingualism isn't special.

Oh fuck no. Dont claim you are one of us. It tarnishes the humanist legacy.

I'm saying you're not a humanist and have no clue what the term means. I even linked you to such a definition, and you won't bother to check it.

Woke seeks to catogerize human beings based on race , gender , sexuality etc etc etc. It is blatant racism but you think its good racism so it is allowed.

Well, that's a lie. But that's all you've done here, is lie. You can't stick to the truth, because the truth is against you.

Sorry but since you are woke you lack the required principals and knowledge to pull the hitler card. try again

Because you say so? Hilarious.

You're no humanist. Humanism is a left-wing ideology, by definition, and you've made a long career on this site espousing far-right viewpoints and condemning everyone on the left.

[postman1782]

Imagine voting for a right-wing status-quo party and then declaring you're changing the world.
Keeping people distracted with fantasies has been a key-tactic of politics since long, I guess.

Imagine supporting a racist piece of shit, that is OBJECTIVELY and FACTUALLY worse than the "right-wing status-quo party" that you are fucking whining about.

[DKjaigen]

Is it ridiculed for being too progressive, as the Trump supporter you are agreeing with claims? Is Europe that conservative? That far right?

Birds of a feather...

Woke is not progressive. Its neither left nor right. Woke is corruption like cancer. And like a cancer their is no reason to it. It supporters claim they fight racism but they themselves are blatantly racist. It claims its for the working class yet they implement policies that will hurt the working class. it claims to be egalitarian and, yet it judges you for your race gender and sexuality.

[Endus]

American "Woke-ism" is very much ridiculed over here on a daily basis in mainstream media or by stand-up comedians.

Americans tend to be ignorant about the world outside their borders unfortunately.

The funniest damned thing is you two thinking I'm an American or espousing any kind of American viewpoint on anything.

[postman1782]

Woke is not progressive. Its neither left nor right. Woke is corruption like cancer. And like a cancer their is no reason to it. It supporters claim they fight racism but they themselves are blatantly racist. It claims its for the working class yet they implement policies that will hurt the working class. it claims to be egalitarian and, yet it judges you for your race gender and sexuality.

Jesus christ, do you live in this place called fucking reality?

[Endus]

Woke is not progressive. Its neither left nor right. Woke is corruption like cancer. And like a cancer their is no reason to it. It supporters claim they fight racism but they themselves are blatantly racist. It claims its for the working class yet they implement policies that will hurt the working class. it claims to be egalitarian and, yet it judges you for your race gender and sexuality.

Literally nothing you said here was true.

[DKjaigen]

Jesus christ, do you live in this place called fucking reality?

Yes its called : anywhere but america.

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The funniest damned thing is you two thinking I'm an American or espousing any kind of American viewpoint on anything.

I consider Canada to be even worse.

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Literally nothing you said here was true.

The rest of the world disagrees.