First independent report into Xinjiang genocide allegations claims evidence of...

[Stelio Kontos]

I hate this too man, it's like we ignore the obvious wrongdoing parallel to Armenia (college friend enlightened me on this and it's obvious we looked the other way to have some close range nukes) for a few points/ugly relationships/dollars. And in return if I'm not with the local group think I'm the absolute worst and must be tied to their enemies. Only decent advice is never let this go and be the bigger man about exposing hypocrisy. And unfortunately in return you get a sentiment of nope your wrong and you don't see the picture, or worst you're the absolute enemy for having an opinion. Bottom line, you're not alone.

Oh I hear that, I'm Greek, so the Armenian issue is one I know well. The Ottomans/Young Turk government were pretty generous with the genocides in that period. 1.5 million Armenians, almost a million Greeks, and half a million Assyrians. It's the issue that got me involved with genocide-related topics. Add to that the big one, the Holocaust, and the Holodomor. Studying those shows why it's so dangerous for people to try to muddy the waters, like @Doctor Amadeus here is doing, with their own agendas.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Oh I hear that, I'm Greek, so the Armenian issue is one I know well. The Ottomans/Young Turk government were pretty generous with the genocides in that period. 1.5 million Armenians, almost a million Greeks, and half a million Assyrians. It's the issue that got me involved with genocide-related topics. Add to that the big one, the Holocaust, and the Holodomor. Studying those shows why it's so dangerous for people to try to muddy the waters, like @Doctor Amadeus here is doing, with their own agendas.

Read your signature you’re all about making this political. You pick and choose who’s worthy who isn’t and what causes are what.

Nothing about anything you posted couldn’t be posted all the time. You did so because you couldn’t manipulate a narrative on the backs of the real victims of this issue. You decided to personally attack me.

No waters to muddy. You’re as transparent as always to anyone paying attention.

[Stelio Kontos]

Read your signature you’re all about making this political. You pick and choose who’s worthy who isn’t and what causes are what.

Nothing about anything you posted couldn’t be posted all the time. You did so because you couldn’t manipulate a narrative on the backs of the real victims of this issue. You decided to personally attack me.

No waters to muddy. You’re transparent as always.

I've been posting stories on China's treatment of Muslim minorities since before Trump was even in office. Again, your inane political goals don't have anything to do with the topic. Stop muddying the waters for genocide. If you can't keep yourself from derailing the thread. From here on out you won't get any more responses from me if it has nothing to do with the topic.

[Fincayra]

Again no! This campaign against China has been a real issue since election. Along with other issues of domestic civil unrest in China.

Do something yes of course. But the million dollar question has been what for the last 30 years.

Don’t pretend it’s communism or socialism or whatever else that has supported China up to this point.

I’m all for China rising up I’m very much against any brutal oppression.

But there are no easy answers that’s the entire point.

Yup. I feel empathy for every person that dies on this planet. Someday i will join them. But i'm a poor disabled man who can literally do nothing to change the course of anything that could stop what is happening. And, I don't think I am much different than most people in this country, in that they can't do anything about it. So, the media constantly bringing it up is just a drumbeat against China, and that's OK and all, but the drumbeat will never actually materialize beyond just a beat. The people who have a heart are just going to be pissed at the Chinese government constantly because of the horrible things they do, while most of the things they own will have a Made in China label on them.

This is nonsense... by this logic, no one would ever die of AIDS or cancer... I’m sure there is an incompetent politician that has done similar to downplay their incompetence... oh yeah... Mike Pence... in his state, with an AIDS epidemic... weird...

Neither of those is relatable to this current pandemic, as one is an incurable virus, and the other is treatable, depending on what variant you get. And I'm not some politician "downplaying incompetence," when there's plenty of incompetence to go around with this pandemic. I'd fucking love to just blame everything on one idiot and lock him in a cell forever, but as time passes story after story is emerging showing the absolute trainwreck our government as a whole has delivered to us in its "attempt" at combating it. Did Trump suck ass? You bet your bottom dollar. His early downplaying kept people outdoors spreading the virus much faster than it otherwise would have, which led to a much higher curve than we should have gotten. As well as press conference after press conference about him speculating about cures, hoping it'll be over in the summer, and sucking the dick of the medical community.

I'm not replying to any comments more about the pandemic, this isn't a pandemic thread. It's about something much worse than the pandemic.

[Doctor Amadeus]

I've been posting stories on China's treatment of Muslim minorities since before Trump was even in office. Again, your inane political goals don't have anything to do with the topic. Stop muddying the waters for genocide. If you can't keep yourself from derailing the thread. From here on out you won't get any more responses from me if it has nothing to do with the topic.

I already asked you your opinion on what out to be done.

So far it seems to be attacking me and trying to equate left and right in the same regards between Communism and well that’s it. You’re pretty clear as to your position as it pertains to optics.

But you still haven’t given much about solutions.

So by all means I’m not trying to derail, please what is your take. Beyond attacking me to do something to stop these Genocides?

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Yup. I feel empathy for every person that dies on this planet. Someday i will join them. But i'm a poor disabled man who can literally do nothing to change the course of anything that could stop what is happening. And, I don't think I am much different than most people in this country, in that they can't do anything about it. So, the media constantly bringing it up is just a drumbeat against China, and that's OK and all, but the drumbeat will never actually materialize beyond just a beat. The people who have a heart are just going to be pissed at the Chinese government constantly because of the horrible things they do, while most of the things they own will have a Made in China label on them.



Neither of those is relatable to this current pandemic, as one is an incurable virus, and the other is treatable, depending on what variant you get. And I'm not some politician "downplaying incompetence," when there's plenty of incompetence to go around with this pandemic. I'd fucking love to just blame everything on one idiot and lock him in a cell forever, but as time passes story after story is emerging showing the absolute trainwreck our government as a whole has delivered to us in its "attempt" at combating it. Did Trump suck ass? You bet your bottom dollar. His early downplaying kept people outdoors spreading the virus much faster than it otherwise would have, which led to a much higher curve than we should have gotten. As well as press conference after press conference about him speculating about cures, hoping it'll be over in the summer, and sucking the dick of the medical community.

I'm not replying to any comments more about the pandemic, this isn't a pandemic thread. It's about something much worse than the pandemic.

How is this much worse than the pandemic in a quantitative way?

Ignorance lies and misinformation has managed to kill some of the most vulnerable some might say that’s a kind of genocide.

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@Stelio Kontos

Just because someone has a tie to disgusting history (and quite frankly a honest quarrel) does mean they pick and choose for only that reason. Armenia in which I brought up is a great explanation on how my US History classes ignored these actions, because we needed nukes in Europe during the cold war. Would you like him to bring up Bosnia and Herzegovina or Cambodia? Do you even know of those slaughters? Listen in this day and age I thought we would have a concert standard of wrongful killing and understanding on how to move forward...But fuck no, sides take place and wrong doing is rampant across the globe, which brings a personal bad look for our future. aka just waiting for the torch to be passed, because that action is all too easy.

[Stelio Kontos]

@Stelio Kontos

Just because someone has a tie to disgusting history (and quite frankly a honest quarrel) does mean they pick and choose for only that reason. Armenia in which I brought up is a great explanation on how my US History classes ignored these actions, because we needed nukes in Europe during the cold war. Would you like him to bring up Bosnia and Herzegovina or Cambodia? Do you even know of those slaughters? Listen in this day and age I thought we would have a concert standard of wrongful killing and understanding on how to move forward...But fuck no, sides take place and wrong doing is rampant across the globe, which brings a personal bad look for our future. aka just waiting for the torch to be passed, because that action is all too easy.

Yep, the Pol Pot regime and the Yugoslavian civil war are filled with genocide and war crimes. Myanmar the last few years has been at the very least guilty of ethnic cleansing, if not full scale genocide, for its treatment of the Rohingya. I was a teenager when Yugoslavia broke up and those wars started, I knew people who fought in various sides there (Albanian and Serbian). I also remember Rwanda. The different is, Cambodia, Yugoslavia, and Myanmar were rogue or rogueish states. China is the second most powerful country on Earth, and almost every country is in bed economically with them. That does make their genocide both a much more difficult issue to handle, but also an urgent one as well. The US picked and chose in Yugoslavia, ignoring some genocide and acting on others. The US did nothing in Rwanda. The US directly caused the Khmer Rouge to take power.

China's been leading up to this genocide long before Trump, and to try and accuse any discussion of China's brutal policies, whether it be in Xinjiang, Hong Kong, Tibet, or Inner Mongolia, of being tied to American domestic politics from 2016 forward is foolish at best, obfuscation at worst.

[Doctor Amadeus]

@Stelio Kontos

Just because someone has a tie to disgusting history (and quite frankly a honest quarrel) does mean they pick and choose for only that reason. Armenia in which I brought up is a great explanation on how my US History classes ignored these actions, because we needed nukes in Europe during the cold war. Would you like him to bring up Bosnia and Herzegovina or Cambodia? Do you even know of those slaughters? Listen in this day and age I thought we would have a concert standard of wrongful killing and understanding on how to move forward...But fuck no, sides take place and wrong doing is rampant across the globe, which brings a personal bad look for our future. aka just waiting for the torch to be passed, because that action is all too easy.

I conflate there if as difference between people who talk a good game and those who actually put themselves into and behind whatever it is they believe. That of course requires being consistent being aware of ones intent behind their behavior.

I am not about to take advice or preaching from those that don't follow a similar standard. Everything comes from somewhere, it doesn't mean life isn't hard and choices aren't tough, but when it comes down to doing the right things vs the wrong thing, I will always choose the right thing.

To me that is not supporting the kinds of people in the first place that EVER thing a human beings life should be thrown away or treated like chattel.


Personally I think the U.S ought to heavily leverage is trading power against any nation involved in these kinds of activities and work with any allies doing the same. However that has to be done without causing harm to those innocent and caught in the middle.

It's hard to do which is why reports like this are horrible.

Aside from what I mentioned though, I don't think outside of a boycott which plenty have already tried to do as much as possible much more can be done.

[PC2]

Again Trumps action have been more deadly to Americans than what appears to be happening here.

How is this on-topic? Trump is gone and we are safe in the hands of Biden now.

Most of whom have died have been minorities.

Source?

[Doctor Amadeus]

How is this on-topic? Trump is gone and we are safe in the hands of Biden now.

Source?

I was giving an example of a situation I see are just as bad or worse. As I said because this is a political issue.

[Fincayra]

How is this much worse than the pandemic in a quantitative way?

Ignorance lies and misinformation has managed to kill some of the most vulnerable some might say that’s a kind of genocide.

Rape, harvesting your organs while you are still alive and conscious (numbering up to 25,000 year), forced impregnation, forced work camps, forced contraception, brainwashing, the list goes on and on. You could say dead people are dead people, and you're not wrong, but I would say that how you are killed varies from simple gunshot to the head, up to taking 1 inch of skin off your body a day for the rest of your life while forced to eat shit and drink piss. How you die matters, and those people over there are not simply dropping dead.

[Daedius]

The West doesn't care, as long as there's money to be made via exploited cheap labour and such.

The West has more important things to worry about, such as crucifing people for using the wrong nouns of the bazillion genders out there.

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1st para: I'll rightfully admit, I'm no "holy" one, I can be flippant, but with these sorta of topics, there a good line in which we must hold on a constant standard...it's been constantly broken since I've been alive.

2nd para: Similar standards can be oh so personal and group formfitting. Just by you saying you always choose the right thing is just hilarious. Everyone is wrong sometimes, regardless of little demeanor or hardcore following.

3rd para: besides the grammatically errors, agreed. Never throw anyone anyway as if they were some meaningless possession.

4th para: Yea I'm a boastful American, but imagine if we finally just took those policies back amongst ourselves, and then demanded they stop to let them continue any production. Lol wishful thinking as our infrastructure wouldn't be right for the job, but shit has anyone tried to shake this peddling establishment.

5th para: yes may be hard on individual levels, but that the point Stello is trying to make, bring awareness to this fucked up situation.

6th para: yea it sucks, people don't give a shit about anything anymore, memory is cheap and short, but if you got the greater mind, why ignore.



AKA no one is 100% right, but if you cant see China pulling some concentration camp bullshit, then defend Germany on their hatred and the US on Japanese descendants during WWII, cuz honestly there is no fucking difference.

done here and fyi I'm that conservative bastard that you most likely hate, but defending other races/minorities...hell I'm an anomaly of the god damn universe. aka grow some perspective and learn that most isn't fucking one sided.

[Doctor Amadeus]

1st para: I'll rightfully admit, I'm no "holy" one, I can be flippant, but with these sorta of topics, there a good line in which we must hold on a constant standard...it's been constantly broken since I've been alive.

2nd para: Similar standards can be oh so personal and group formfitting. Just by you saying you always choose the right thing is just hilarious. Everyone is wrong sometimes, regardless of little demeanor or hardcore following.

3rd para: besides the grammatically errors, agreed. Never throw anyone anyway as if they were some meaningless possession.

4th para: Yea I'm a boastful American, but imagine if we finally just took those policies back amongst ourselves, and then demanded they stop to let them continue any production. Lol wishful thinking as our infrastructure wouldn't be right for the job, but shit has anyone tried to shake this peddling establishment.

5th para: yes may be hard on individual levels, but that the point Stello is trying to make, bring awareness to this fucked up situation.

6th para: yea it sucks, people don't give a shit about anything anymore, memory is cheap and short, but if you got the greater mind, why ignore.



AKA no one is 100% right, but if you cant see China pulling some concentration camp bullshit, then defend Germany on their hatred and the US on Japanese descendants during WWII, cuz honestly there is no fucking difference.

done here and fyi I'm that conservative bastard that you most likely hate, but defending other races/minorities...hell I'm an anomaly of the god damn universe. aka grow some perspective and learn that most isn't fucking one sided.

Well reasoned perspective. I don’t say that as a judgment but a statement that reflects why I’m unable to disagree.


I think the worst place to be in is between two position you hate equally that are also in conflict.

The enemy of my enemy is absolutely not automatically my friend. To refrain from nation bashing I won’t get into how fucking disgusted I am with the way China behaves.

Keep in mind they aren’t the only ones and nobody and nothing is perfect and at the same time I recognize layers.

For me it comes down to humanity. This shit non of this shit should be happening.

However I can’t pretend every time things like this happen people that know better to do better have the power and help it are the same ones causing things like the OP to happen.

Bottom line I think there needs to be a common thread that’s says no matter how bad things get there are lines we genuinely will not cross.

I don’t care who they are I would never advocate or defend fucking Genocide of random innocent people.

Although personally I really wish humanity would stop building these monsters in the first place.

Meaning feeding the industries and elements that create it.

[Machismo]

Read your signature you’re all about making this political. You pick and choose who’s worthy who isn’t and what causes are what.

Nothing about anything you posted couldn’t be posted all the time. You did so because you couldn’t manipulate a narrative on the backs of the real victims of this issue. You decided to personally attack me.

No waters to muddy. You’re as transparent as always to anyone paying attention.

There is no doubt the other poster has a major hate boner for China. But, in this case, his hatred is entirely justified. China is trying to erase a people, and you are continuing to shill for them.

[Slirith]

So what, nobody is going to oppose china because money mostly.

This is the post that answers what the world is gonna do.

[Grimbold21]

China has always had a problem similar to this, Tibet being a pretty damn good example, the only difference between then and now are alt-right extremist trying to use this nonsense to finger point. Nonsense like this belongs on the Epoch times.

This a political initiative not a human rights one

This isn't 2019 anymore. Give the whole "anything I disagree with is alt-right" routine a rest

[Rozz]

Stay on topic to the OP. It's derailing and so are attempts to mitigate it. We're discussing Xinjiang genocide allegations, keep it there.

[crewskater]

People don't care for the same reason they didn't care between 1936 and 1944. Out of sight, out of mind. The fact that Islamophobia is about as rampant in the West today as anti-semitism was in 1930's also doesn't help.

Also, keep in mind, nobody went to war with the Nazis to save the Jews.

I think fearing a religion that still actively kills gays, believes women are lesser beings, and participates in suicide bombings is perfectly justified. No other religion is doing that because they have evolved and matured.

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Half a million people have died of COVID do to the incompetence of Trump many of the same pretending to be outraged about this.

Weird considering the whole world got infected. If it was contained to only the US you would have a point but clearly that's not the case.

[Mihalik]

I think fearing a religion that still actively kills gays, believes women are lesser beings, and participates in suicide bombings is perfectly justified. No other religion is doing that because they have evolved and matured.

Aaaaaaand here we are. The person who will claim not be an Islamophobe but also seems to comfortable with active persecution of Muslims.

"The way we kill people is OK, the way Muslims do is not!"

Weird considering the whole world got infected. If it was contained to only the US you would have a point but clearly that's not the case.

The mortality rate and per capita infection rate of the US stands out among comparable developed nations.