Mega-Thread: Gun Control Thread

[Mayhem]

You lost whatever argument you were going for when you started it with this.

I hear they don't follow a lot of laws, actually. Let's do away with all those laws since they clearly aren't preventing all the crime they're supposed to prevent.

Seriously, how does this logic work internally for y'all that it makes any lick of sense?

You can build a gun if you want... but, just like those building math labs, risk blowing them selfs up, as a result... a criminal should be forced to risk their lives trying to buy a gun, from a criminal that can shoot them with said gun and just take their money.

I am pretty sure it was a joke.

Though @Felya I think you're talking about physics labs, not math labs, mathematicians rarely blow stuff up in their labs.

[ifrah]

You lost whatever argument you were going for when you started it with this.

I hear they don't follow a lot of laws, actually. Let's do away with all those laws since they clearly aren't preventing all the crime they're supposed to prevent.

Seriously, how does this logic work internally for y'all that it makes any lick of sense?

Ok, so.. Based on the responses this which was supposed to be a sarcastic and apparently bad analogy for the arguments defending the rather ample gun market "as the criminals would not care about restrictions anyway," was badly articulated. The point I was trying to make was/is that effectively restricting the supply of goods that are not really needed within any reasonable context (e.g. assault weapons) would eventually fix some issues. Or at very least highly unlikely making matters any worse.

[cubby]

To be fair you spoke too soon and tried to score browny points against the NRA. Most of the people in this thread on your side and the other side in my opinion don't seem to give two shits(not saying you since I actually think you do care), as long as it lets people bash the opposite side, and to me that is sickening. You can imagine a lot of different things not existing that lead to deaths. The fact of the matter is that we in the United States have a constitutional right to firearms. Instead of people trying to infringe upon those rights I would like to see existing laws actually enforced. Stop letting criminals plead down their weapon charges. You have places like Delaware that 71% of gun charges get dropped. https://www.delawareonline.com/story...ions/78428440/

I would like to see mental health institutions that Regan fucked over rebuilt and reopened, I don't care if it means I have to pay 1% higher taxes because there is a ton of people struggling out there. We need to stop with the stigma of people seeing a therapist as a bad thing as well. I would like to see schools crack down harder on bullying. So on and so forth. There are numerous things we as a country can do before we resort to infringing on constitutional rights.

I will also state before someone accuses me of being a shill, I do not own a weapon, and I will never join the NRA.

I did not speak too soon. School shooting. Student dead. I got the body count wrong and Kellhound tried to score points off that.

The Constitutional right isn't an absolute. Just like the First Amendment isn't absolute. Just like any right isn't absolute. We can discuss that issue separately. I think you and I would have a good conversation.

IMO the issue isn't pleading down weapons charges. We simply have too many weapons - with no reasonable way to change it.

I agree about mental health issue and other social problems being addressed. Those are ancillary, however, because other countries have the exact same problems, without the almost daily mass shootings. The one issue that no one can deny is the horrendous number of mass shootings that happen in the United States.

You're not sounding like a NRA shrill, for what that's worth from me.

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When you call it a mass shooting and it turns out it isnt, yup.

I don't care how many kids get killed while illegally driving drunk either.

So schools shout teach marksmanship, as knowing how to use a gun reduces the chance it will be used illegally.
It is a "shall issue" permit, which functions like the US background check, for most firearms including semi-autos. Some do not require one at all. Its actually cheaper and often easier to get a full automatic rifle in Switzerland than in the US. Simply put, Switzerland has a strong gun culture, high numbers of firearms, and a fraction of the total violence the US has. Perhaps it would be wiser to figure out why Americans are so much more violent than to try to blame the tools they use.

This is your NRA shrill. Ignoring the litany of arguments against their position, nitpicking minor points while ignoring the greater problem. They don't even bother to think about the larger gun issue.

They make a point, it's immediately and categorically proven wrong, and they move on to other issues - completely ignoring the fact they were wrong on all their most recent points. That's a shrill.

Strange isn't it. It is almost like the access to firearms isn't the cause. Wonder why no one seems to what to find out what the real cause is......

You're not qualified to be in this category of discussion until you resolve the first paragraph is issues.

[Felya]

Though @Felya I think you're talking about physics labs, not math labs, mathematicians rarely blow stuff up in their labs.

They blew up every time I had them...

[Bakis]

The irony of the right to: both bear arms and vote are enshrined i the constitution but GOP legislators are hell bent on limiting voting but joyfully refuse legislation against guns provided specifically to circumvent legislation?
Viva la ghost guns!

[Felya]

8 people dead at a FedEx nearly 6 hours ago and am the first to bump the thread...

Looks like we are at the acceptance stage...

[Noxx79]

8 people dead at a FedEx nearly 6 hours ago and am the first to bump the thread...

Looks like we are at the acceptance stage...

As has said many times, if Sandy Hook didn’t cause any change, nothing will. The acceptance stage had been long in place.

These gun fuckers love guns more than children.

[Santti]

As has said many times, if Sandy Hook didn’t cause any change, nothing will. The acceptance stage had been long in place.

These gun fuckers love guns more than children.

Yeah... Something much, much more is required for anything meaningful to happen. And even then, the answer would probably still be "thoughts and prayers" and "more good guys with guns".

[Felya]

Yeah... Something much, much more is required for anything meaningful to happen. And even then, the answer would probably still be "thoughts and prayers" and "more good guys with guns".

Thoughts and prayers... god please keep guns safe from crazy liberals...:

[D Luniz]

Texas House approves bill that would allow people to carry a gun without a license
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/04...utional-carry/

House Bill 1927 would nix the requirement for Texas residents to obtain a license to carry handguns if they’re not prohibited by state or federal law from possessing a gun. Texans under current state law must generally be licensed to carry handguns, either openly or concealed.

they focus so hard on that "shall not be infringed" and ignore all the rest of the amendment

[Zython]

Whats sad is you and your ilk jump to conclusions and use situations like this for political gain, and then get butt hurt when called out on it.

I dont know how many other countries had a student killed by police this year.
Remind us again why Switzerland has very similar guns laws but does not have an issue with gun violence?

Probably because their cops don't have guns. We should emulate that.

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Texas House approves bill that would allow people to carry a gun without a license
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/04...utional-carry/



they focus so hard on that "shall not be infringed" and ignore all the rest of the amendment

You mean how it refers to the security of a free state (which the US isn't), or how it only mentions people, and not the state?

[Theodarzna]

I don't care how many kids get killed

I at least can admire a warhawk who also takes this stance on guns, versus say an avid warhawk who also is super concerned about civilians and proles owning firearms and uses dead kids to try and get that removed.

[Felya]

I at least can admire a warhawk who also takes this stance on guns, versus say an avid warhawk who also is super concerned about civilians and proles owning firearms and uses dead kids to try and get that removed.

Are you talking about Trump? Is this that MTG conspiracy about actors?

[Noxx79]

I at least can admire a warhawk who also takes this stance on guns, versus say an avid warhawk who also is super concerned about civilians and proles owning firearms and uses dead kids to try and get that removed.

Like is said, gun fuckers like yourself don’t care about children.

I mean, do you see the self own in your post? I doubt you have the self awareness to.

[D Luniz]

3 dead in active shooter incident in Austin Texas
police currently have a shelter in place order

[D Luniz]

Wasn't this the bill that passed just a few days before Texas had a mass shooting incident?

Praise Jeebus for thoughts and prayers, though. Making the world a better place.

about a week afterward from the Byran Texas shooting

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3 dead in active shooter incident in Austin Texas
police currently have a shelter in place order

I think the shelter in place is lifted, but they are still searching for the gunman

[Edge-]

I think the shelter in place is lifted, but they are still searching for the gunman

Out of curiosity...does anyone get out and protest draconian and authoritarian shelter-in-place orders during active shooters? Like, why should the state tell me I can't go outside and enjoy my FREEDOM just because they're hunting a nut with a gun? Why is my freedom of movement limited? WHAT ABOUT MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS?

(this is sarcasm, btw)

[jonnysensible]

3 dead in active shooter incident in Austin Texas
police currently have a shelter in place order

is this the one who looks like it was a ex cop? think it was a brony yesterday?

i cant keep up, we need a mass shooting megathread

[Zan15]

is this the one who looks like it was a ex cop? think it was a brony yesterday?

i cant keep up, we need a mass shooting megathread

i believe we kinda had one and 90+% of the discussion was about gun control so they merged it here.

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Out of curiosity...does anyone get out and protest draconian and authoritarian shelter-in-place orders during active shooters? Like, why should the state tell me I can't go outside and enjoy my FREEDOM just because they're hunting a nut with a gun? Why is my freedom of movement limited? WHAT ABOUT MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS?

(this is sarcasm, btw)

same people who are forced to wear shoes and shirts while going into public establishments!!! Don't you remember the mass protest of 1993?? Damn how people forgot the bloodshed, the horror, the push for our rights!!!

[Edge-]

So...seems like the shooter, or at least the person police think is the shooter, is an ex-officer charged with sexually assaulting a minor - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...las-broderick/

I thought the cops were supposed to be the "good guys" with guns, or that they'd at least you know, not let a guy charged with sexually assaulting a child not have access to weapons while he's out on bond, but whatever. I'm all for letting folks out of jail for non-violent crimes while awaiting trial, but given the nature of the charge you'd think there would be some stricter rules around what he's allowed to do/access pending his trial.