[Megathread] Star Citizen

[qwerty123456]

This thread is not even used to promote the game just a few posters complaining about it when they have no other interest in the game other than hoping it fails, the game in its current form has a ton of gameplay options more than most current space games so when someone says theres no gameplay its obvious its complete BS.

If they understood what they were actually developing SC into then they would accept why it is currently taken this long to develop so far, if a single player game takers 8-9 years to develop why should a massive space MMO take less time.

Most of the time its pointless to post in this thread anyway as nothing constructive ever happens.

You have a poster who posts nothing but in this thread and only ever "good" things about it or to dismiss anyone with negative responses and has been doing so for over 5 years, seemingly insider knowledge and posted family photos of the dev team "family". You're telling me that they are a "real" poster and they haven't discovered the official forums or reddit in that time?

What does Star Citizen have that no other space games have?

Nothing Constructive? Look at Vals post below yours. He's asking questions about why they chose to depict the trailer in such ways.

People are negative because of all the lies, dishonesty, and many because they backed a game a decade ago and have almost nothing to show for it except for a buggy alpha where the first M of MMO equals only 50 people.

[Kyanion]

If they understood what they were actually developing SC into then they would accept why it is currently taken this long to develop so far, if a single player game takers 8-9 years to develop why should a massive space MMO take less time.

Again, provide sources where they said this project would take 9+ years. We'll wait. On the other hand go back a couple of pages and there is TONS of information of quotes directly from CiG about windows to get things done that they failed and failed again to do. /yawn

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Thanks Val, I appreciate the honest breakdowns of what is being shown as something amazing. It really is weird they do this shit when their big time money spending whales and diehard players KNOW it is lies.

[kenn9530]

You have a poster who posts nothing but in this thread and only ever "good" things about it or to dismiss anyone with negative responses and has been doing so for over 5 years, seemingly insider knowledge and posted family photos of the dev team "family". You're telling me that they are a "real" poster and they haven't discovered the official forums or reddit in that time?

What does Star Citizen have that no other space games have?

Nothing Constructive? Look at Vals post below yours. He's asking questions about why they chose to depict the trailer in such ways.

People are negative because of all the lies, dishonesty, and many because they backed a game a decade ago and have almost nothing to show for it except for a buggy alpha where the first M of MMO equals only 50 people.

The game is still in development so complaining about things in a constantly changing games doesnt really mean anything, until the game is released as a final product noone can make an asessment on the game properly as normally you wouldnt be playing the game at this stage to complain about anything anyway, its not meant to be played as a released game, its just there to test but many are playing as thier main game so you have to suck up to any issues it has along the way.

SC has or will have everything a space game should have, all other space games either focus on one main type of gameplay or lack the features that actually give a game some depth.

What lies or dishonestly, its CR games to develop so without him you would be getting no new space games anyway, he will not release anything until he is happy with the product as he has stated many times, if you backed early on you knew what CR when developing a game so anyone who backed should of accepted all the risks that comes with CR making a game, nothing said in a game is developing is final and can change at anytime.

[qwerty123456]

The game is still in development so complaining about things in a constantly changing games doesnt really mean anything, until the game is released as a final product noone can make an asessment on the game properly as normally you wouldnt be playing the game at this stage to complain about anything anyway, its not meant to be played as a released game, its just there to test but many are playing as thier main game so you have to suck up to any issues it has along the way.

What lies or dishonestly, its CR games to develop so without him you would be getting no new space games anyway, he will not release anything until he is happy with the product as he has stated many times, if you backed early on you knew what CR when developing a game so anyone who backed should of accepted all the risks that comes with CR making a game, nothing said in a game is developing is final and can change at anytime.

You never said what this "game" has that no other space games have.

And if he decides that its still in development 40 years from now that's ok because the game hasn't been officially released yet? Literally the only defense for this game is that it hasn't been released yet.

[Kyanion]

The game is still in development so complaining about things in a constantly changing games doesnt really mean anything, until the game is released as a final product noone can make an asessment on the game properly

Yeah nice try, people can and will (and already have) made final judgements on this game. When a game goes into open Alpha, Beta or release it is usually judged right there. Many people will try it once and never touch it again if it sucks. That is the gaming landscape now. You may not like how it goes but that doesn't matter. The complaints people have about this game are valid and it is their money.

[kenn9530]

You never said what this "game" has that no other space games have.

And if he decides that its still in development 40 years from now that's ok because the game hasn't been officially released yet? Literally the only defense for this game is that it hasn't been released yet.

I didnt say other spaces games dont have some of what SC has or will offer, i said SC offers it all in one game where other games like ED are missing key features to give it depth, most space games focus on one type of gameplay and the rest is just average, no other game has planet tech even close to what SC offers or quality of space ships.

Chris wants to play the game just as much as anyone, the game will be released when its ready, there are other games to play and most gamers who enjoy space games have been waiting decades for a game even remotely close to what SC is offering anyway, gamers moaning is what causes companies to push out games before they are ready and just end up dissapointed.

[qwerty123456]

I didnt say other spaces games dont have some of what SC has or will offer, i said SC offers it all in one game where other games like ED are missing key features to give it depth, most space games focus on one type of gameplay and the rest is just average, no other game has planet tech even close to what SC offers or quality of space ships.

Chris wants to play the game just as much as anyone, the game will be released when its ready, there are other games to play and most gamers who enjoy space games have been waiting decades for a game even remotely close to what SC is offering anyway, gamers moaning is what causes companies to push out games before they are ready and just end up dissapointed.

PLease explain to me in detail what key features and stuff. Also what do you mean by planet tech and quality of spaceships.

[Thestrawman]

The game is still in development so complaining about things in a constantly changing games doesnt really mean anything, until the game is released as a final product noone can make an asessment on the game properly as normally you wouldnt be playing the game at this stage to complain about anything anyway, its not meant to be played as a released game, its just there to test but many are playing as thier main game so you have to suck up to any issues it has along the way.

SC has or will have everything a space game should have, all other space games either focus on one main type of gameplay or lack the features that actually give a game some depth.

What lies or dishonestly, its CR games to develop so without him you would be getting no new space games anyway, he will not release anything until he is happy with the product as he has stated many times, if you backed early on you knew what CR when developing a game so anyone who backed should of accepted all the risks that comes with CR making a game, nothing said in a game is developing is final and can change at anytime.

By your logic you can't say that SC will have everything a space game should have. Since the game is still in development and could lose abandon some systems that are vital to space games.

[Ophenia]

This thread is not even used to promote the game just a few posters complaining about it when they have no other interest in the game other than hoping it fails

I'm sorry but you have no idea about that. If people are here in the first place, it is because they are, or were, interested in this game type. I know very well that if the game looked like 10% of what is shown in the promotion video, I'd be connected right now.

I can probably only talk for myself of course, but when you're interested in a game, you'd like the game to exist before you die, which doesn't seem it will be the case for SC.
It's common sense to be a bit pissed off by SC for people who are fan of space sim games. Because there was/is a great promise, that looks obvious it will never be done, but this whole debacle only does two things :
- Showing the videogame industry that you don't need a finished product to pump money - which all gamers should never be defending
- Hoarding hundreds/thousands of devs, who are obviously skilled (judging by the only thing that is good about SC : Visuals), and who very likely would do a very good job in another company with better management.
Additionally, if SC ultimately fails, which btw is more likely a question of "when" rather than "will it ?", it will very likely condemn the genre as a whole in term of novelty. Not saying it will kill the other already-existing space games, but other companies will think twice before trying again.

I really think that's why there is so much vehemence in this thread. Great promise, huge expectations, but big nothing in the end

[Gorsameth]

A lot of people would love for SC to be all that it set out to be.

The 'hate' for SC comes from Chris Roberts taken what could be something amazing that we have all been waiting for for decades and turning it into vaperware.
We're pissed because we want SC (or SQ42) but have no faith that we will ever see it in a remotely finished form.

[Cracked]

This thread is not even used to promote the game just a few posters complaining about it when they have no other interest in the game other than hoping it fails, the game in its current form has a ton of gameplay options more than most current space games so when someone says theres no gameplay its obvious its complete BS.

If they understood what they were actually developing SC into then they would accept why it is currently taken this long to develop so far, if a single player game takers 8-9 years to develop why should a massive space MMO take less time.

Most of the time its pointless to post in this thread anyway as nothing constructive ever happens.

Ooooh, look who's conveniently back as soon as discussion shifted from pointing out the flaws in his arguments!

[Katchii]

I didnt say other spaces games dont have some of what SC has or will offer, i said SC offers it all in one game where other games like ED are missing key features to give it depth, most space games focus on one type of gameplay and the rest is just average, no other game has planet tech even close to what SC offers or quality of space ships.

Chris wants to play the game just as much as anyone, the game will be released when its ready, there are other games to play and most gamers who enjoy space games have been waiting decades for a game even remotely close to what SC is offering anyway, gamers moaning is what causes companies to push out games before they are ready and just end up dissapointed.

You realize your defense boils entirely down to "everything wrong with the game now is OK because it's STILL in development and not released yet," right?

The fact that it's not released yet despite several announcements and timelines alluding to it being released before now is what many people see as a pretty huge PROBLEM and you're using it as a DEFENSE.

The fact that you think that's not only acceptable, but so logical and acceptable so as to use it as a defense for all of the games current shortcomings is absolutely mind boggling.

[MrAnderson]

A lot of the shots confused me.

Why would they? It's a promo trailer, it's meant to entice you over the game, just like a WoW Trailer, NMS trailer, Elite Trailer or Cyberpunk trailer it will have things looking way cooler than they are in the reality. This trailer is mix of a collage of footage from old ship trailers along with ingame footage and some new footage, there's more gameplay footage in it than many "officially released game" trailers.

@0:45 shows bounty hunter chasing after bounty target through the cityscape of ArcCorp

Why? The entire planet of ArcCorp is covered in an armistice zone. You cannot fire weapons of any kind - ship weapons or ground weapons - within ArcCorp's atmosphere. And there is a no fly zone in place so if you fly too low, your ship's autopilot will kick in and fly you above the altitude limit. You literally cannot chase bounty targets through the cityscape like depicted in the trailer.

No, the entire planet of ArcCorp is not covered in an armistice zone, only really near Area18. So You CAN indeed fire weapons of any kind - ship weapons AND ground weapons - in the planet city areas, namely the skyscraper top areas and actually fly through buildings and be chased by bounty hunters if you are a criminal.

@0:49 shows a Prowler dropping off a ground forces team in a forest on Microtech

Why? There are no bunker missions on Microtech. Nobody uses a ROC to mine on Microtech. There is literally no reason in the game right now to land a ground forces team in a forest on Microtech, because there is nothing to take out and no reason for players to be in a forest on Microtech that would attract criminal players to attack them.

There are indeed bunker missions on Microtech, along with cave missions. You can take mining vehicles anywhere, if you get anything worthy is another story.

@0:52 shows a M50 racing through an asteroid field

Why? Racing missions were removed from the live build of Star Citizen over two years ago.

Just like in real life you don't need an official race to race your car or bike. You pick it up with a friend or foe and go at it.

@1:00 shows racing cars racing along the surface of Celin or one the ArcCorp moons

Again, races were removed from the game over two years ago.

Same as above

@0:57 shows a Reclaimer landing at Hurston

Why? The Reclaimer is possibly one of the most useless ships in the game. It's a salvaging ship... but salvage hasn't been implemented yet. The Reclaimer doesn't work. You can just fly it around... and do nothing with it. And flying it around is incredibly expensive. It hogs up so much fuel when flying through atmosphere.

Because you can.

@0:57 shows a Hammerhead landing at Hurston

Why? The Hammerhead is a 7+ person ship (1 pilot and 6 gunners). That is overkill and there is nothing in the game right now that necessitates bringing a Hammerhead, and even if you did, you would be operating at a loss. The most profitable combat missions in the game give a payout of 40k credits, and you only need 2 people to do that mission (so 40k split by 2 players is 20k credits per player). 40k credits divided by 7 players... is 5.7k credits per player. You will literally make twice as much money just working with one other guy, using smaller ships! I don't think 5.7k credits would be enough for the pilot to cover the fuel, ammo restock, and repair costs of doing one mission.

Because you can is again the simple answer. Btw the Idris Mission payout goes all the way to 225k credits. PVP'ing against another ORG which also has a HH is a lot of fun.

Other things that stood out from the trailer:

• The game is depicted at running at a buttery smooth 60 FPS and with max graphics at 1920 x 1080. That is most assuredly not what the actual gameplay experience is like: the game is poorly optimized. Even with an AMD RX 580, and setting the game to minimum graphics at 1920 x 1080, you WILL NOT GET 60 FPS! You will get 30 at best. Furthermore, a significant portion of your FPS is tied to server stability. Fresh servers that are half an hour or less old will give you better FPS (I guess you MIGHT be able to get 60 FPS... if you are on a fresh server and at Port Olisar or you're on a ship in the middle of nowhere, but if you go literally anywhere else your FPS will tank to 30), but as the server goes on and begins to near a crash about an hour or two in, your FPS starts becoming really bad. And that's not talking about the lag issues, such as your Mobiglass (inventory screen) not working, or you selecting a weapon there being a 3 or 4 second delay before you actually switch to that weapon.

You're supposed to play the game so by default that would already make you more knowledgable than 99% of the posters here, yet you keep making basic mistakes like not knowing the server player cap or the ones mentioned above, or you haven't played the game in recent years or your intentionally lying to go with the hate circle-jerk.

Understanding game development is hard you've shown that guys, but it seems you also have a hard time understanding Marketing.
Curiously it seems only the people who have some kind of an axe to grind against Star Citizen that a measly update gets your jimmies so rustled that you have to go for the lowest hanging fruit to attack it.

This is the sad state of what this thread has been resumed to. People with a grudge and little understanding of the project shitting on it for the sake of feeling better about the fact that they don't understand, so they won't acknowledge, how this project keeps getting updated, played and generating the money as it goes.

All while saying I really love the Idea of Star Citizen But: "insert excuse to hate it because I can't grasp wtf is going on".

That's a YOU problem, not the game. You're irrelevant and so are your rants against the game's development, it's marketing or it's supporters.

[Littlechamp]

Understanding game development is hard you've shown that guys, but it seems you also have a hard time understanding Marketing.
Curiously it seems only the people who have some kind of an axe to grind against Star Citizen that a measly update gets your jimmies so rustled that you have to go for the lowest hanging fruit to attack it.



That's a YOU problem, not the game. You're irrelevant and so are your rants against the game's development, it's marketing or it's supporters.

How much cig pays to you market the game on different forums and else? Just wondering.

[MrAnderson]

How much cig pays to you market the game on different forums and else? Just wondering.

Most likely the same as they pay you. Considering you seem to have made an account to target me. The enamourment is strong with ya.

[aviger]

This thread absolutely needs this video...

https://streamable.com/gb1143

[MrAnderson]

This thread absolutely needs this video...

https://streamable.com/gb1143

This is a must see video for anyone even remotely thinking in backing a game in development to "enjoy" as a full game.

The reality and mature side of it is that you could make a similar video from games like RedDeadRedemption2 or Cyberpunk which were released as "finished" products.

[Sezerek]

Considering you seem to have made an account to target me.

To be fair, you created your account also just to promote the game in this thread.
You even went the bot route and just spammed 10 threads with useless comments in less than 20min just so you could start posting links.

[kenn9530]

PLease explain to me in detail what key features and stuff. Also what do you mean by planet tech and quality of spaceships.

Have you tried the game at all, the quality of the ships and enviroment are pretty outstanding and they are still making improvements, no other game that exists has ships as detailed or as functional as the ones in SC.

Key features that add depth in a space game are being able to full explore your ships and space stations, and cities within reason, seemless transitions to anywhere that is available with no fake loading screens also gives a game more depth, while its impossible to give a perfect playing experience on an alpha that is constantly updated, what they do have available is better quality than anything else.

SC is the whole package, while other games just give you a few choices of gameplay.

You realize your defense boils entirely down to "everything wrong with the game now is OK because it's STILL in development and not released yet," right?

The fact that it's not released yet despite several announcements and timelines alluding to it being released before now is what many people see as a pretty huge PROBLEM and you're using it as a DEFENSE.

The fact that you think that's not only acceptable, but so logical and acceptable so as to use it as a defense for all of the games current shortcomings is absolutely mind boggling.

The only fair way to judge a game is based on its actual release, i never judge any game until i have played the game at release and a patch or two later, if you base your whole judgement on an alpha which several of the posters that judge the game have not even played the game once then your not giving it even a slight chance and just want to give a biased view.

Chris can do whatever he thinks is best for the game, im happy with that so whats the point in moaning about something you cant change, there is other games to play while waiting for SC. Even in its current alpha its a pretty good game and one of the best available.

[MrAnderson]

To be fair, you created your account also just to promote the game in this thread.
You even went the bot route and just spammed 10 threads with useless comments in less than 20min just so you could start posting links.

Dismantling lies or misconceptions is not promoting the game, I'm the first one here to advise anyone interested in the game, friends included, to stay away from it unless they enjoy paying to be a glorified QA tester.

With that said, personally I couldn't care less if you play or buy the game as a bystander, but if you're gonna shit on it based on lies and random bullshit it's only natural that you'll end up being called out.

That a mere post talking about the game and it's recent updates generates such bile and sodium tells more about the haters who keep pretending they "would love to see this come through" than the gamers actually enjoying it.