NY Attorney General Moves To Dissolve The NRA

[Dontrike]

Don't quit your day job, because comedy ain't it.

The joke was pretty obvious, may not have been a gut buster, but it was not a bad joke.

[Edge-]

IT'S BEEN A SECOND ON THIS

But there's news - https://www.businessinsider.com.au/t...cy-case-2021-5

Texas judge saw the transparently bad-faith attempt to dissolve their operations in New York to avoid prosecution and move them to Texas, and threw out their bankruptcy case. So it seems that the New York suit continues.

LaPierre better find himself another yacht to hide out on, hopefully one with a tailor so he can get those fancy suits made.

[DarkTZeratul]

IT'S BEEN A SECOND ON THIS

But there's news - https://www.businessinsider.com.au/t...cy-case-2021-5

Texas judge saw the transparently bad-faith attempt to dissolve their operations in New York to avoid prosecution and move them to Texas, and threw out their bankruptcy case. So it seems that the New York suit continues.

LaPierre better find himself another yacht to hide out on, hopefully one with a tailor so he can get those fancy suits made.

Ha! Serves them right for so nakedly trying to cheat the system.

[Kellhound]

IT'S BEEN A SECOND ON THIS

But there's news - https://www.businessinsider.com.au/t...cy-case-2021-5

Texas judge saw the transparently bad-faith attempt to dissolve their operations in New York to avoid prosecution and move them to Texas, and threw out their bankruptcy case. So it seems that the New York suit continues.

LaPierre better find himself another yacht to hide out on, hopefully one with a tailor so he can get those fancy suits made.

It just postpones the inevitable. Once NY finds them guilty, they will file again and have it granted. The end result will be the same, NY will get nothing and the NRA will reform in Texas. Besides, everyone knows this has nothing to do with justice and everything to do with a political vendetta.

[Edge-]

Besides, everyone knows this has nothing to do with justice and everything to do with a political vendetta.

If that's true then there will be no case against them? Like, there'd have to be strong evidence for them to be found guilty, and if that exists then it seems like it would definitely be seeking justice, even if there's political motivation behind it.

[Lynarii]

If that's true then there will be no case against them? Like, there'd have to be strong evidence for them to be found guilty, and if that exists then it seems like it would definitely be seeking justice, even if there's political motivation behind it.

You have to understand that it's absolutely okay if they are guilty because they're nominally on his side.

[uuuhname]

I can understand being pro gun, but being pro NRA is.... pretty sad, considering you have guys in the organization taking peoples money to use for themselves.

[Lynarii]

I can understand being pro gun, but being pro NRA is.... pretty sad, considering you have guys in the organization taking peoples money to use for themselves.

That's what I just really don't get. If a group that I was supporting was stealing my money for personal gain instead of using it on the cause that I support, I'd be first in line to see them punished for it. It's why I'm very picky about being associated with any specific organizations, even ones that claim to be on my side.

The NRA could be doing a lot of good. They /should/ be doing a lot of good. But any could and should requires getting the corrupt criminals out of it first.

[DarkTZeratul]

The NRA could be doing a lot of good. They /should/ be doing a lot of good. But any could and should requires getting the corrupt criminals out of it first.

It USED to be doing a lot of good. It was founded with the aim of promoting proper firearms safety and training, but somewhere along the line it shifted to advocating for firearms manufacturers and fighting any attempt at regulation.

[Breccia]

So it seems that the New York suit continues.

Good. Shame on them for even trying. If I wanted to see someone stiff New York with a bill and flee to the south with a bunch of stolen money, I'd have voted for Trump.

[Ivanstone]

It just postpones the inevitable. Once NY finds them guilty, they will file again and have it granted. The end result will be the same, NY will get nothing and the NRA will reform in Texas. Besides, everyone knows this has nothing to do with justice and everything to do with a political vendetta.

Ollie North would like a word with you. LaPierre was using the NRA as his own personal piggy bank and got busted. No vendetta's, only justice.

PS Harlin Hale is a Bush2 appointee.

[Breccia]

Besides, everyone knows this has nothing to do with justice and everything to do with a political vendetta.

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https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2020...t-dissolve-nra.

New York Attorney General Letitia James today filed a lawsuit seeking to dissolve the National Rifle Association (NRA), the largest and most influential pro-gun organization in the nation. Attorney General James charges the organization with illegal conduct because of their diversion of millions of dollars away from the charitable mission of the organization for personal use by senior leadership, awarding contracts to the financial gain of close associates and family, and appearing to dole out lucrative no-show contracts to former employees in order to buy their silence and continued loyalty. The suit specifically charges the NRA as a whole, as well as Executive Vice-President Wayne LaPierre, former Treasurer and Chief Financial Officer (CFO) Wilson “Woody” Phillips, former Chief of Staff and the Executive Director of General Operations Joshua Powell, and Corporate Secretary and General Counsel John Frazer with failing to manage the NRA’s funds and failing to follow numerous state and federal laws, contributing to the loss of more than $64 million in just three years for the NRA.

In the complaint, Attorney General James lays out dozens of examples where the four individual defendants failed to fulfill their fiduciary duty to the NRA and used millions upon millions from NRA reserves for personal use, including trips for them and their families to the Bahamas, private jets, expensive meals, and other private travel. In addition to shuttering the NRA’s doors, Attorney General James seeks to recoup millions in lost assets and to stop the four individual defendants from serving on the board of any not-for-profit charitable organization in the state of New York again.

“The NRA’s influence has been so powerful that the organization went unchecked for decades while top executives funneled millions into their own pockets,” said Attorney General James. “The NRA is fraught with fraud and abuse, which is why, today, we seek to dissolve the NRA, because no organization is above the law.”

Since 1871, the NRA has operated as a New York-registered 501(c)(4) not-for-profit, charitable corporation. Under state law not-for-profit, charitable corporations are required to register and file annual financial reports with the Charities Bureau in the Office of the Attorney General (OAG). The assets are required to be used in a way that serves the interests of NRA membership and that advance the organization’s charitable mission. However, as today’s complaint lays out, the NRA is alleged to have fostered a culture of noncompliance and disregard for internal controls that led to the waste and loss of millions in assets and contributed to the NRA reaching its current deteriorated financial state. The NRA’s internal policies were repeatedly not followed and were even blatantly ignored by senior leaders. Furthermore, the NRA board’s audit committee was negligent in its duty to ensure appropriate, competent, and judicious stewardship of assets by NRA leadership. Specifically, the committee failed to assure standard fiscal controls, failed to respond adequately to whistleblowers, affirmatively took steps to conceal the nature and scope of whistleblower concerns from external auditors, and failed to review potential conflicts of interest for employees.

Going after demonstrable grift, theft, and fraud is not a political vendetta. That is prosecuting people who break the law. Even if you thought NYState would have taken even the flimsiest excuse possible to make their move, "they broke the law and we have proof" is not a flimsy excuse, and it's 100% what law enforcement is supposed to do. You'd be better off trying to make your point by finding someone who is clearly guilty, but NYState did nothing. And even then, that still wouldn't make what they're doing to the NRA wrong.

Or, I guess you could admit you think a non-profit charity should just take as much money as they wanted for themselves, and give a bunch to their friends, while claiming to be broke. Are you admitting that? Because when you say "this isn't justice, this is a vendetta" it sounds like you're defending their actions.

You know the drill. 24 hours to clarify.

[s_bushido]

Going after demonstrable grift, theft, and fraud is not a political vendetta. That is prosecuting people who break the law.

We live in a world where "the only reason Chauvin was convicted was because BLM would burn down more cities if he went free!" People are so warped by this bullshit that demonstrable facts are a partisan issue. It's ridiculous.

[cubby]

It just postpones the inevitable. Once NY finds them guilty, they will file again and have it granted. The end result will be the same, NY will get nothing and the NRA will reform in Texas. Besides, everyone knows this has nothing to do with justice and everything to do with a political vendetta.

It's so weird that the Bankruptcy law doesn't let you wiggle out of criminal charges, isn't it? Oh, and you're thinking of the previous "administration" - this current one follows the rules, you probably haven't heard about it, because while admirable (and expected) it's also boring.

I hear your boy is doing well on the birthday party circuit though.

[Breccia]

We live in a world where--

No no, let's give @Kellhound a chance. Perhaps he can clarify how what appears to be legal action based on laws broken, with evidence, is not justice but a vendetta. Or, to retract that earlier statement. 22 hours and change.

[cubby]

We live in a world where "the only reason Chauvin was convicted was because BLM would burn down more cities if he went free!" People are so warped by this bullshit that demonstrable facts are a partisan issue. It's ridiculous.

And which Cheney on her way out, the GOtrumP is just going to get worse.

[Breccia]

IOh, and you're thinking of the previous "administration" - this current one follows the rules

They're both the same Cuomo.

[Dontrike]

It just postpones the inevitable. Once NY finds them guilty, they will file again and have it granted. The end result will be the same, NY will get nothing and the NRA will reform in Texas. Besides, everyone knows this has nothing to do with justice and everything to do with a political vendetta.

Oh you're just the most adorable person ever. Wanna enlighten us or just make vague, incorrect statements?

[Kellhound]

If that's true then there will be no case against them? Like, there'd have to be strong evidence for them to be found guilty, and if that exists then it seems like it would definitely be seeking justice, even if there's political motivation behind it.

Justice is blind, not politically motivated. If we were talking about the AFL-CIO accused of doing the same, NY would happily turn a blind eye.
Besides, it is not the place of the government to file the complaint, it should be the place of the members who's money is being claimed to have been wasted.

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You have to understand that it's absolutely okay if they are guilty because they're nominally on his side.

Its ok if the membership does not seek the sanctions, same for any voluntary privately funded organization.

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Ollie North would like a word with you. LaPierre was using the NRA as his own personal piggy bank and got busted. No vendetta's, only justice.

PS Harlin Hale is a Bush2 appointee.

Then go after LaPierre, not the organization.

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*ahem*

https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2020...t-dissolve-nra.



Going after demonstrable grift, theft, and fraud is not a political vendetta. That is prosecuting people who break the law. Even if you thought NYState would have taken even the flimsiest excuse possible to make their move, "they broke the law and we have proof" is not a flimsy excuse, and it's 100% what law enforcement is supposed to do. You'd be better off trying to make your point by finding someone who is clearly guilty, but NYState did nothing. And even then, that still wouldn't make what they're doing to the NRA wrong.

Or, I guess you could admit you think a non-profit charity should just take as much money as they wanted for themselves, and give a bunch to their friends, while claiming to be broke. Are you admitting that? Because when you say "this isn't justice, this is a vendetta" it sounds like you're defending their actions.

You know the drill. 24 hours to clarify.

If the actions were taken by the members of the NRA, that would be one thing. Its wrong because the state is only doing it because of the politics of the NRA not what they, as an organization, have done monetarily. If was just about justice, NY would be going after the people accused of wrong doing alone.

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It's so weird that the Bankruptcy law doesn't let you wiggle out of criminal charges, isn't it? Oh, and you're thinking of the previous "administration" - this current one follows the rules, you probably haven't heard about it, because while admirable (and expected) it's also boring.

I hear your boy is doing well on the birthday party circuit though.

We are not talking about the criminal charges, but the attempt to use it as a backdoor to remove a political group the leadership of the state have personal vendettas against.

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No no, let's give @Kellhound a chance. Perhaps he can clarify how what appears to be legal action based on laws broken, with evidence, is not justice but a vendetta. Or, to retract that earlier statement. 22 hours and change.

If it was about justice, they would not be out to destroy the entire organization, just criminal charges against the people accused of wrong doing (by the state, not the membership mind you).

[Cthulhu 2020]

Imagine being scammed by the NRA then lining up to defend them when their scams are being challenged in court.