KGB Hijacks Flight to Arrest Journalist.

[Cringefest]

i mean it did work well in Ukraine. Wheres Yanukovych right now?

lukashenko and his kids need running out.

Not for the Ukrainians, but who cares right?

[jonnysensible]

Not for the Ukrainians, but who cares right?

how you measuring this?

[Forogil]

As you point out you could already have said that from Belarussian comments before released transcript; all you get from bbc article is additional framing by RyanAir.

I could have, and still you on the previous page (page 47) didn't accept that it was a partial transcript - and claimed that the gaps were normal.

We still don't know what else is missing, and if the plane has a recording whether/when it will be made available; but we do know that Belarus hijacked a plane flying between two EU-countries and that additional sanctions were added again.

[Cringefest]

how you measuring this?

I'm sure a decade of civil war, a crippling socio economical situation, zero improvements on issues like corruption and management and finally the introduction of extreme right wing groups and paramilitary groups in everyday politics are all good indications that the place is fucked up.

[Shalcker]

I could have, and still you on the previous page (page 47) didn't accept that it was a partial transcript - and claimed that the gaps were normal.

We still don't know what else is missing, and if the plane has a recording whether/when it will be made available

Exactly - we still don't have any alternative transcript to show that the one provided by Belarus is partial or that skipped parts, if any, are changing anything substantial.

Speculating about it can be fun, but you're going from predetermined conclusion and trying to imagine how it could be justified by missing parts.

Who did RyanAir contact on given frequency after it was provided to them? Was that even right frequency to begin with?

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Reuters - Ryanair: Belarusian airspace ban is not a long-term solution

LONDON, June 15 (Reuters) - Ryanair (RYA.I) does not support a ban on Belarusian airspace in the long term, its chief executive said on Tuesday and called on international authorities to secure assurances from the country that there would be no repeat of last month's forced landing.

Belarus scrambled a warplane to force a Ryanair flight to land in Minsk on May 23. The plane was carrying an opposition journalist who was then arrested, prompting punitive measures against Belarus in response.

Belarusian carriers are now banned from flying over European Union and UK territory, while EU and British authorities issued a safety directive saying their aircraft should avoid Belarusian air space unless in an emergency.

Ryanair boss Michael O'Leary told a British parliamentary committee that while he supported those measures, the aviation industry depended in the long term on unrestricted access to all airspace and that this must be restored.

"We need to have an outcome where the European and the UK authorities, hopefully assisted by international partners, receive appropriate assurances from the Belarusian, and or Russian authorities, that this will never happen again," he said.

Short-term sanctions were necessary to deter other states from copycat behaviour, he added, but in the long term the politicisation of airspace was not the answer as it would hurt the aviation industry and international connectivity.

"The freedom to overfly states is something that we have perhaps taken for granted for the last 70-80 years," O'Leary told the lawmakers. "We must restore it as quickly as possible."

The United Nations' International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) is investigating the forced-landing incident and due to report back in two weeks.

[jonnysensible]

hey shackler who poisoned the skripals and who shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17?

[Shalcker]

Austria blocking EU sanctions on Belarus banks

[Ihavewaffles]

hey shackler who poisoned the skripals and who shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17?

Strange question to ask since west has never provided any evidence for their claims.

And why are u hiding the skripals, let them talk to media so they can explain why its hidden what substance, n if chemical WMD how they miracolously don't die from it? Oh don't leave out navalny, he is immune to chem WMDs as well.

[Easo]

Strange question to ask since west has never provided any evidence for their claims.

And why are u hiding the skripals, let them talk to media so they can explain why its hidden what substance, n if chemical WMD how they miracolously don't die from it? Oh don't leave out navalny, he is immune to chem WMDs as well.

Conspiracy theories are not allowed on this forum.

[Ihavewaffles]

Conspiracy theories are not allowed on this forum.

Demanding proof is not a conspiracy theory.

Lol, just lol..

[Pann]

Demanding proof is not a conspiracy theory.

Lol, just lol..

Proof of what? I would have thought it was fairly self-evident why we're hiding the Skripals but in case you missed it someone tried to murder with a chemical weapon.

[Ihavewaffles]

Proof of what? I would have thought it was fairly self-evident why we're hiding the Skripals but in case you missed it someone tried to murder with a chemical weapon.

Where is that chemical weapon? You never showed its existence, all we got "so yeah, that's what happened, cuz we say so!"

n you still need to explain why they didn't die from it, or navalny.

[Pann]

Where is that chemical weapon? You never showed its existence, all we got "so yeah, that's what happened, cuz we say so!"

n you still need to explain why they didn't die from it, or navalny.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poison..._Yulia_Skripal

I'd take guess at incompetence.

[Edge-]

Where is that chemical weapon? You never showed its existence, all we got "so yeah, that's what happened, cuz we say so!"

n you still need to explain why they didn't die from it, or navalny.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poison..._Yulia_Skripal

https://www.opcw.org/media-centre/ne...united-kingdom

OPCW confirmed the UK analysis that it was Novichok. Why didn't they die from it?

The Skripals' survival was possibly due to the weather – there had been heavy fog and high humidity, and according to its inventor and other scientists, moisture weakens the potency of this type of toxin.

[Ihavewaffles]

I specifically said present the evidence, not claim you have evidence, is it difficult to understand?

Imagine in a court of law where the judge demands evidence n the prosecution says "we claim we have it, that is evidence in our eyes!"

[Edge-]

I specifically said present the evidence, not claim you have evidence, is it difficult to understand?

So I need like...a test sample at my home? Or is the conclusion of multiple different agencies at different countries, including international agencies, not "evidence"?

What counts as evidence other than, "Literally having some of the Novichok used to poisoned the Skripals"?

[Ihavewaffles]

So I need like...a test sample at my home? Or is the conclusion of multiple different agencies at different countries, including international agencies, not "evidence"?

What counts as evidence other than, "Literally having some of the Novichok used to poisoned the Skripals"?

You really need it explained to you to showcase said evidence? Imagine standing in front of a judge n "but why do I have to show evidence!"

As for allegedly showing something to allies n they surprisingly agree. What a shocker.

evidence /ˈɛvɪd(ə)ns/
noun
the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

claim /kleɪm/
state or assert that something is the case, typically without providing evidence or proof.

Didn't they say it could only come from Russia? Then Czech rep admitted they possessed it too, n then others followed suit.

[Edge-]

You really need it explained to you to showcase said evidence? Imagine standing in front of a judge n "but why do I have to show evidence!"

When did the politics forum of MMOC become a court?

Also, expert witness testimony is accepted as evidence, including reports like this that conclude it was Novichok.

As for allegedly showing something to allies n they surprisingly agree. What a shocker.

So did the OPCW.

Didn't they say it could only come from Russia? Then Czech rep admitted they possessed it too, n then others followed suit.

Yeah, just ignore that there were Russian spies identified as the ones who likely brought it in.

I mean, if we're just ignoring reality, ignoring evidence, ignoring context, and choosing to believe a fictional reality that's fine dude. Just don't get upset when people point out that your headcanon doesn't hold much weight.

[Ihavewaffles]

You could write any sort of report. You are just going back to making claims again........

I'm still looking for evidence, not claim, I explained the two words above quite clearly

At least before we got an absurd show of nonsense, now just claims

[Edge-]

You could write any sort of report. You are just going back to making claims again........

"Expert witnesses and reports don't count because I say so!"

Ok, buddy. FYI, courts routinely accept expert witness testimony and official reports as evidence.

I'm still looking for evidence, not claim, I explained the two words above quite clearly

Again, like what? Should I have some of that Novichok at my house just chilling in the fridge?

At least before we got an absurd show of nonsense, now just claims

"Here's an example of a huge lie that was sold, so because they fabricated evidence in reports for this lie literally all reports can't be believed anymore. Also, because it's terribly inconvenient to my argument!"

Ok, buddy.