Mega-Thread: Coronavirus Pandemic

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https://twitter.com/abughazalehkat/s...37051989843968

"Apartheid style open air hostage situation."

The Death Cult is doing their level-best to dissuade people from getting the vaccine by ginning up fears left and right. But hey, at least they've found a new atrocity in history to compare...*checks notes*...awareness campaigns for vaccinations so that we can stop wearing the masks that the same Death Cult says take away our freedoms.

And they wonder why they're getting mocked for crowing about the US not meeting its vaccination target by July 4 by just a bit, because they're the ones actively trying to keep people from getting vaccinated.

[PACOX]

I remember when the talking point of Fox and clan was them whining about the left calling everyone Nazis and not being able to suck it to follow rules. Now they are throwing around 'Nazi' left and right and still crying about masks.

[postman1782]

Yet even more GOP Trumpist Idiocy and Hypocrisy.

And yet, the dumbass Hitler Defending bitch, is probably anti-abortion, and doesn't understand the hypocrisy.

[Granyala]

It's not surprising that they don't have a ton of patience for these assholes.

Aye, that is true. I would not have patience with them either.

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Of course they exist. So do people with three testicles. But you really don't see it much as people like Tomi Lahren whine, cry, and exaggerate it to be.

I'm sure they make a mountain of a mole hill in order to get publicity.
Though I am disturbed by the "Flight attendants with testicles" part.

Here, bus drivers have no problem reminding people to pull up their masks. Never seen any unruly behavior either.

[Rasulis]

Overwhelming Number of COVID-19 Cases, Hospitalizations, Deaths Are From People Not Fully Vaccinated: HHSA

New data from the County of San Diego Health and Human Services Agency (HHSA) shows the alarming impact COVID-19 is having on people who are not fully vaccinated.

Since January 1, virtually all COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations and deaths in San Diego county are from people who are unvaccinated or partially vaccinated.

Here is the breakdown:

• 99.8% Deaths
• 99.9% Hospitalizations
• 99.1% Cases

Since the beginning of the year, of the 1,219 COVID-19 deaths in the county, only three were vaccinated. Of the 5,159 hospitalizations, only 10 people were fully vaccinated.

[Forogil]

Overwhelming Number of COVID-19 Cases, Hospitalizations, Deaths Are From People Not Fully Vaccinated: HHSA

Getting fully vaccinated is good, but those numbers might exaggerate the benefit a bit.
The reason is that a large part of the ones dying without being vaccinated died before vaccination was widely available - so it would have been fairer to compare numbers since start of April or so.

Specifically the deaths in California peaked at the end of January when less than 0.6 millions in Cali had been given all the vaccination doses (it's now >20 millions), and only 0.2 million in Cali were fully vaccinated according to the usual criteria of saying that you are only clear two weeks after the 2nd dose. (And you shouldn't get a dose while sick with covid or anything else.)

[Gaidax]

Our MOH states that Phizer vaccine efficiency seems to start dropping somewhat 6 months after initial vaccination, but vaccine still holds.

We currently experience a surge of Delta cases, despite being highly vaccinated as a country. The surge is nowhere near the initial ones yet, but it does seem to happen.

We will probably start getting 3rd boosters in a few months to bring it back up.

[Nellise]

Getting fully vaccinated is good, but those numbers might exaggerate the benefit a bit.
The reason is that a large part of the ones dying without being vaccinated died before vaccination was widely available - so it would have been fairer to compare numbers since start of April or so.

Specifically the deaths in California peaked at the end of January when less than 0.6 millions in Cali had been given all the vaccination doses (it's now >20 millions), and only 0.2 million in Cali were fully vaccinated according to the usual criteria of saying that you are only clear two weeks after the 2nd dose. (And you shouldn't get a dose while sick with covid or anything else.)

Yeah, I've seen several stories now using that January 1st to now time frame which makes no sense. Adults under 65 in a lot of places weren't even allowed to start getting vaccinated until April.

My state, Illinois, has much different data even using that January to now time. It shows 518 hospitalized and 141 deaths (2%) for full vaccinated people since January 1st. But many of the deaths during that time frame in Illinois happened in January and February before almost anybody was fully vaccinated. The first vaccination dose is listed as December 15th and the state considers someone fully vaccinated 2 weeks after their second dose so the earliest anybody would have been considered fully vaccinated was January 19th and there were nearly 1900 deaths between the 1st and that date.

[Rasulis]

We could go with the breakthrough rate among those vaccinated.

Breakthrough COVID cases rare in California Tiny infection rate among vaccinated residents

About 7,550 out of more than 19.5 million Californians who were fully vaccinated against COVID-19 have contracted the disease, a minuscule percentage that provides strong evidence of the vaccines’ effectiveness, according to state data.

The breakthrough infections through June 23 amount to 0.039% of vaccinated Californians — or one case out of every 2,583 vaccinated people.

Most of the infections were minor, but 62 vaccinated Californians died from COVID-19 (0.00032%), according to California Department of Public Health data.

CDC only tracks breakthrough cases requiring hospitalization or resulting in death because many states do not track breakthrough cases.

Nationally, out of 154 million fully vaccinated Americans, 4,115 people have been hospitalized or died after contracting COVID-19. That’s a rate of 0.0027%. More than three-quarters were 65 or older. Federal officials do not track total breakthrough infections because many involve minor or no symptoms.

In California, health officials matched data from the state’s immunization registry to a registry of confirmed COVID-19 cases to identify breakthrough cases.

There are some caveats to the data. While California’s public health agency reported 584 people were hospitalized after a breakthrough COVID-19 infection, hospitalization status wasn’t available for 46% of the post-vaccination cases. State officials also noted that some of them may have been hospitalized for an unrelated condition and tested positive for COVID-19 after being admitted to the hospital.

Even ignoring the caveat, we are still looking at a hospitalization rate of 0.003%. In line with the CDC nation wide number.

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Our MOH states that Phizer vaccine efficiency seems to start dropping somewhat 6 months after initial vaccination, but vaccine still holds.

We currently experience a surge of Delta cases, despite being highly vaccinated as a country. The surge is nowhere near the initial ones yet, but it does seem to happen.

We will probably start getting 3rd boosters in a few months to bring it back up.

Can you link how your MOH came to that conclusion?

I previously linked a study which indicates that the mRNA vaccines may last for year. Since I am not an expert in immunology, here is an article that described the results of the study 1,000 times better than I could.

COVID Vaccine Lasts This Long, Says New Study

The study "has found evidence that the immune response to such vaccines is both strong and potentially long-lasting," reports the University. In fact, it may last "years." "Nearly four months after the first dose, people who received the Pfizer vaccine still had so-called germinal centers in their lymph nodes churning out immune cells directed against SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. Germinal centers, which form as the result of natural infection or vaccination, are boot camps for immune cells, a place where inexperienced cells are trained to better recognize the enemy and weapons are sharpened. A better germinal center response may equal a better vaccine. Moreover, vaccination led to high levels of neutralizing antibodies effective against three variants of the virus, including the Beta variant from South Africa that has shown some resistance to vaccines. Vaccination induced stronger antibody responses in people who had recovered from SARS-CoV-2 infection compared to those who had never been infected."

"Germinal centers are the key to a persistent, protective immune response," said senior author Ali Ellebedy, Ph.D., an associate professor of pathology&immunology, of medicine and of molecular microbiology. "Germinal centers are where our immune memories are formed. And the longer we have a germinal center, the stronger and more durable our immunity will be because there's a fierce selection process happening there, and only the best immune cells survive. We found that germinal centers were still going strong 15 weeks after the vaccine's first dose. We're still monitoring the germinal centers, and they're not declining; in some people, they're still ongoing. This is truly remarkable."

"This is evidence of a really robust immune response," co-senior author Rachel Presti, MD, Ph.D., an associate professor of medicine, said. "Your immune system uses germinal centers to perfect the antibodies so they can bind well and last as long as possible. The antibodies in the blood are the end result of the process, but the germinal center is where it is happening."

"We didn't set out to compare the effectiveness of vaccination in people with and without a history of infection, but when we looked at the data we could see an effect," co-first author Jane O'Halloran, MD, Ph.D., an assistant professor of medicine, said. "If you've already been infected and then you get vaccinated, you get a boost to your antibody levels. The vaccine clearly adds benefit, even in the context of prior infection, which is why we recommend that people who have had COVID-19 get the vaccine."

I also posted another study that shows that the mRNA vaccines also modify our innate immune response system in some profound ways. In the case of the study, the Pfizer mRNA vaccine appeared to have increased the body's natural resistance to fungal infections.

[PhaelixWW]

Can you link how your MOH came to that conclusion?

I previously linked a study which indicates that the mRNA vaccines may last for year.

It's an older article, sir, but it checks out...

NYTimes: (Oct 2020) Why You Shouldn’t Worry About Studies Showing Waning Coronavirus Antibodies

The portion of people in Britain with detectable antibodies to the coronavirus fell by roughly 27 percent over a period of three months this summer, researchers reported Monday, prompting fears that immunity to the virus is short-lived.

But several experts said these worries were overblown. It is normal for levels of antibodies to drop after the body clears an infection, but immune cells carry a memory of the virus and can churn out fresh antibodies when needed.

“Some of these headlines are silly,” said Scott Hensley, an immunologist at the University of Pennsylvania.

Declining antibody levels after the acute infection has resolved “is the sign of a normal healthy immune response,” Dr. Hensley said. “It doesn’t mean that those people no longer have antibodies. It doesn’t mean that they don’t have protection.”

The research also raised some fears about the ability of vaccines to help populations reach herd immunity, the point at which enough people would be immune to the coronavirus to thwart its spread.

It’s too early to know how long immunity to the new coronavirus lasts, and whether people can be reinfected many months to a year after a first bout with the virus. Still, experts said worries about vaccines, too, are unwarranted.

“The vaccine doesn’t have to mimic or mirror the natural infection,” said Shane Crotty, a virologist at the La Jolla Institute for Immunology. “Certainly I wouldn’t be alarmist about these data.”

The new results indicate the prevalence of coronavirus antibodies in the broader population but not in specific individuals. Several studies looking at antibody levels in individuals have shown that after some initial decline, the levels hold steady for at least four to seven months.

The British report is based on three rounds of antibody blood tests carried out in 350,000 randomly selected people from June 20 to Sept. 28. The participants tested themselves at home for antibodies using finger-prick assays that deliver a yes-or-no result, much like a pregnancy test.

Over the three-month period, the proportion of people with detectable antibodies in their blood dropped to 4.8 percent from 6 percent, the researchers reported. The smallest decline was among people ages 18 to 24 and the biggest in those over age 75.

Looking at the data a different way, about 73 percent of people who had antibodies early on still produced a positive result months later, noted Dr. Antonio Bertoletti, a virologist at Duke NUS Medical School in Singapore. “That’s not such a dramatic decline.”

Antibodies also represent only one arm of the immune response, albeit the one that can most easily be measured. There are at least three other branches of the immune system that can fend off illness, so antibody levels don’t present the full picture.

“It’s not the whole immune response,” said Dr. Paul Elliott, an epidemiologist at Imperial College London who heads the project.

When the body encounters a pathogen, it rapidly produces antibodies that recognize the invader. Once the acute infection resolves, the levels decline — as they must for purely practical reasons.

“Our lymphatic system, where immune cells are, only has a finite amount of space,” Dr. Hensley said.

Depending on the test used, the small amount of antibodies still circulating in the blood may not be enough for a positive signal. The test used in the study has a sensitivity of 84.4 percent, well below that of lab-based tests that hover around 99 percent. That means it may miss anyone who has low antibody levels.

For example, people with mild to no symptoms may have produced fewer antibodies than those with severe illness. Most of the people with positive results were ill in March or April, at the peak of the outbreak in Britain, but about 30 percent did not recall having any Covid-19 symptoms. Even a small decrease in the amount of antibodies may drop their levels below the limit of detection.

“We’re saying the antibody response has declined below the threshold” of detection, Dr. Elliott said. “This is not a surprise to anyone who works in the field.”

Data from monkeys suggests that even low levels of antibodies can prevent serious illness from the virus, if not a re-infection. Even if circulating antibody levels are undetectable, the body retains the memory of the pathogen. If it crosses paths with the virus again, balloon-like cells that live in the bone marrow can mass-produce antibodies within hours.

A very small number of people may not make any antibodies. But even those people may have immune cells called T cells that can identify and destroy the virus. The vast majority of people infected with the coronavirus develop lasting cellular responses, according to several recent studies.

T cells are unlikely to prevent infection, but they may at least prevent serious illness by blunting the attack, Dr. Crotty said. Given all that, he said, interpreting low antibody levels to mean that immunity disappears, or that coronavirus vaccines will not be effective is “wrong.”

For example, the human papillomavirus “elicits a terrible immune response and lousy antibodies,” he said. “But the vaccine with a single immunization elicits fantastic antibodies that are 99 percent protective in people for 10-plus years, just a complete night-and-day difference.”

Vaccines can also be designed to provoke much stronger responses than the natural infection, he added.

Though criticizing many of the interpretations of it, experts said the new study’s results are an interesting glimpse into the prevalence of antibodies at a population level.

The same research team is also testing hundreds of thousands of people for presence of the virus. Together, Dr. Elliott said, the studies offer a “really powerful tool” for policymakers to gauge the size of a country’s epidemic.

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https://www.thestate.com/news/politi...252674288.html

South Carolina Gov. Henry McMaster on Friday directed state health officials to prohibit any unsolicited door-to-door COVID-19 vaccination efforts, arguing that showing up unannounced at individuals’ homes and “pressuring” them to get inoculated was bad policy and could lead to “disastrous public safety consequences.”

“The prospect of government vaccination teams showing up unannounced or unrequested at the door of ‘targeted’ homeowners or on their property will further deteriorate the public’s trust and could lead to potentially disastrous public safety consequences,” McMaster wrote in a letter to state Department of Health and Environmental Control board Chairman Mark Elam.

The Death Cult continues to try to kneecap the countries vaccination efforts. And then complain because they still have to wear masks because not enough people are vaccinated.

[Granyala]

https://www.thestate.com/news/politi...252674288.html

The Death Cult continues to try to kneecap the countries vaccination efforts. And then complain because they still have to wear masks because not enough people are vaccinated.

WoW, you guys sure must have a lot of vaccines lying around when people already contemplate going door to door. Oo

[Edge-]

WoW, you guys sure must have a lot of vaccines lying around when people already contemplate going door to door. Oo

We do, and there are plenty of clusters with distressingly low vaccination rates because people aren't getting them. The Death Cult is just rejecting any and every effort to actually educate people about the vaccines safety to get more shots in arms so we can actually return to normal. I guess they just like complaining about something.

[Mayhem]

Our MOH states that Phizer vaccine efficiency seems to start dropping somewhat 6 months after initial vaccination, but vaccine still holds.

We currently experience a surge of Delta cases, despite being highly vaccinated as a country. The surge is nowhere near the initial ones yet, but it does seem to happen.

We will probably start getting 3rd boosters in a few months to bring it back up.

You're not highly vaccinated as a country, you're below 60% overall vaccination rate.

[Zan15]

https://www.thestate.com/news/politi...252674288.html

South Carolina Gov. Henry McMaster on Friday directed state health officials to prohibit any unsolicited door-to-door COVID-19 vaccination efforts, arguing that showing up unannounced at individuals’ homes and “pressuring” them to get inoculated was bad policy and could lead to “disastrous public safety consequences.”

“The prospect of government vaccination teams showing up unannounced or unrequested at the door of ‘targeted’ homeowners or on their property will further deteriorate the public’s trust and could lead to potentially disastrous public safety consequences,” McMaster wrote in a letter to state Department of Health and Environmental Control board Chairman Mark Elam.

The Death Cult continues to try to kneecap the countries vaccination efforts. And then complain because they still have to wear masks because not enough people are vaccinated.

imagine living somewhere that going to a door and knocking on it is a huge safety concern.

and here they keep saying its so dangerous to live in liberal cities.

[Forogil]

You're not highly vaccinated as a country, you're below 60% overall vaccination rate.

Well, 59.9% fully vaccinated and 66% partly vaccinated isn't that bad - UAE has a higher rate, but I'm not sure there are any others.

Additionally Israel has a fairly young population and since vaccines weren't authorized for kids early on and kids weren't as much in danger many look at vaccination rates among adults and Israel had 80% of adults vaccinated a month ago. And that was more than enough to stop the original virus - but not to stop the Delta-variant.

[Gaidax]

Can you link how your MOH came to that conclusion?

It's not how, but here is a Reuters story on it.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...ng-2021-07-05/

There is a reduction and cases are rising even if slowly.

Then you have this: https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...ds-2021-07-08/




This is from Reuters, not some two bit local crap news.

[Mayhem]

Well, 59.9% fully vaccinated and 66% partly vaccinated isn't that bad - UAE has a higher rate, but I'm not sure there are any others.

Additionally Israel has a fairly young population and since vaccines weren't authorized for kids early on and kids weren't as much in danger many look at vaccination rates among adults and Israel had 80% of adults vaccinated a month ago. And that was more than enough to stop the original virus - but not to stop the Delta-variant.

Exactly

/10char

[Rasulis]

It's not how, but here is a Reuters story on it.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...ng-2021-07-05/

There is a reduction and cases are rising even if slowly.

Then you have this: https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...ds-2021-07-08/




This is from Reuters, not some two bit local crap news.

It appears that the Reuter article and the research that I linked were looking at two different aspects of the mRNA vaccines.

The Reuter article was talking about level of antibodies in the vaccine recipient declining after 6 months. Hence, the vaccine efficacy against mild infection went down to 64%.

The research addressed the fact that the adaptive immune system of vaccine recipients - B cells (which produce the antibodies), CD4+ T cells (possess a range of helper, detection and effector functionalities), and CD8+ T cells (whose job is to kill infected cells) - remained as strong as they were after 2 weeks of receiving the second dose. Hence, in the case of Israel, the vaccine efficacy against moderate and severe infections is at 92 - 93%.

Basically, as long as the body’s adaptive immune system recognized the spike protein chain of the virus, it will start producing antibodies within hours of detecting the presence of the virus.

[Forogil]

Ok, that's not good - seems slightly more common than blood clots from AZ, but considerably less deadly it seems Whether it just heals itself is also unknown.

Hmm... So Israel back then reported it as one heart-issue per 50,000 doses for Pfizer.

EMA now found it to be less than 1 per 500,000 for both Pfizer and Moderna and combining two different heart issues https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/co...s-pericarditis https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57781637 and only deadly in a small percentage of the cases (<5% - or less than one in 20 million vaccinated) - and among elderly and/or ppl with existing heart issues (who face a high risk of dying in covid), whereas most of the reported cases were in younger men.

One in 50,000 or one in 500,000 seems like a large difference - there might be something else explaining it - or it could simply be that 90% of the cases were so mild that they weren't detected and reported to EMA; but it seems unlikely that the deaths are missed. Or in summary, just a minor issue and the vaccine is safer than risking covid.

(They also looked at rare side-effects for Janssen (or J&J) vaccine: capillary leak and another for the AstraZeneca - GBS.)