When did this become acceptable?

**Couchpotato2013** · 2021-07-26, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by Dristereau

It's a problem from my POV, especially how big this has become during BFA. I really started to notice it on my Horde server in 8.3, now if you go there as soon as you log in its spammed constantly, it's really horrible to see. Thankfully my Alliance server is dead enough that it doesn't happen there, but there is no way it's healthy for the majority of players to see that spam when they log in.

Unless Blizzard does something about it, I feel it will get eventually to the chinese servers with spam, whispers and more. I don't agree with the way 'communities' work, with how much gold they get. Does anyone actually feel that it's really gold only?

Thankfully I have a Guild that I've been part of for years, so I've been able to achieve most of my WoW goals and I'm happy I've done it with people. But with Blizzard making stacks from the tokens this will become a bigger problem until the game dies.

They all deal in “gold only” until evidence proves otherwise. That’s at least the running delusional cope everyone overdoses on daily.

**Sialina** · 2021-07-26, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by Couchpotato2013

They all deal in “gold only” until evidence proves otherwise. That’s at least the running delusional cope everyone overdoses on daily.

I'll tell you how the communities work,
1. Someone advertises, these guys are not part of the community, they get some gold if they sell some run.
2. Someone from the community shows up and books a guild for the boost, the guild doesn't touch the gold, the community guy does, he gets a cut.
3. The guild carries out the boost, once it is completed they submit proof, the community guy then pays out the remaining gold to the guild.

The guild can then invest that gold in BoEs/consumables/gems/enchants etc for the next tier, you will not be allowed to boost if you don't meet certain performance requirements.

There is no RMT going on here, RMT is a completely different field, you can google and find 1000s of strange sites selling that, for very different prices, and if you get caught in one of those you can look for your account up your rear end.

I feel the trade spam is the biggest issue currently, and it would be nice if it could be moved to a separate channel. Also remember, tokens don't create gold, they simply move it from one player to another.

What I do wish though is that blizzard would hire a couple of GMs to sift through LFG/trade and ban all the LFG advertisements and trade RMT sellers, their AI is not doing a good job at all and it would be a well worth investment in my opinion.

**Couchpotato2013** · 2021-07-26, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by Sialina

I'll tell you how the communities work,
1. Someone advertises, these guys are not part of the community, they get some gold if they sell some run.
2. Someone from the community shows up and books a guild for the boost, the guild doesn't touch the gold, the community guy does, he gets a cut.
3. The guild carries out the boost, once it is completed they submit proof, the community guy then pays out the remaining gold to the guild.

The guild can then invest that gold in BoEs/consumables/gems/enchants etc for the next tier, you will not be allowed to boost if you don't meet certain performance requirements.

There is no RMT going on here, RMT is a completely different field, you can google and find 1000s of strange sites selling that, for very different prices, and if you get caught in one of those you can look for your account up your rear end.

I feel the trade spam is the biggest issue currently, and it would be nice if it could be moved to a separate channel. Also remember, tokens don't create gold, they simply move it from one player to another.

What I do wish though is that blizzard would hire a couple of GMs to sift through LFG/trade and ban all the LFG advertisements and trade RMT sellers, their AI is not doing a good job at all and it would be a well worth investment in my opinion.

I’ve been submitted plenty of strikes and banned of booster screenshots to know that operations in any boosting community are nowhere near the level of clean they tout themselves on paper. And yet even with that disorganization it is still way more coordinated than most guilds or discord social groups for certain activities (hence the usual assurance of completion given if the boostee for more pricier services has shown proof of competency, so like boosting to all 20s or duelist to 2.4k or glad).

And the story always ends the same given a long enough timeline. And that conclusion is RMT. Once that scandal breaksout, people not affected jump ship or quickly cordon off the infection to save face with blizz and the community.

**Sialina** · 2021-07-26, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by Couchpotato2013

I’ve been submitted plenty of strikes and banned of booster screenshots to know that operations in any boosting community are nowhere near the level of clean they tout themselves on paper. And yet even with that disorganization it is still way more coordinated than most guilds or discord social groups for certain activities (hence the usual assurance of completion given if the boostee for more pricier services has shown proof of competency, so like boosting to all 20s or duelist to 2.4k or glad).

And the story always ends the same given a long enough timeline. And that conclusion is RMT. Once that scandal breaksout, people not affected jump ship or quickly cordon off the infection to save face with blizz and the community.

We have one single community, gallywix, that got banned, the rest have been around for a while now. Could there be some guy somewhere in the chain selling gold to a 3rd party site? Sure, but that was possible since vanilla. You will also notice that glad boosting is exceedingly rare, blizzard hardware blocks account traders as evidenced by people buying new accounts instantly getting banned again in both wow and overwatch. I think this is harder than you think it is.

**Couchpotato2013** · 2021-07-26, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by Sialina

We have one single community, gallywix, that got banned, the rest have been around for a while now. Could there be some guy somewhere in the chain selling gold to a 3rd party site? Sure, but that was possible since vanilla. You will also notice that glad boosting is exceedingly rare, blizzard hardware blocks account traders as evidenced by people buying new accounts instantly getting banned again in both wow and overwatch. I think this is harder than you think it is.

SLB has done RMT in the past few expansions. And phoenix just disappeared over night, even though the public statement was owner couldn’t/didn’t want to run it anymore (probably mostly valid given how wonderful SL has made people feel).

I will interject a bit on the stage below glad (2400). I myself wanted azeroth’s champion, and CnS r4 was my last essence. Plenty of people in my azshara pug group bought carries for it (admittedly needing to get to duelist on their own, or if fire/destro and being an early CE getter) the price always fell between 3-7 mil. Meta spec gets 3 and non-ideal got 7m. Saw a warlock get boosted for 5 mil in 3s to 2400.

I think it is far more common than we think and the only reason why we don’t know is because how garbage blizzard’s pvp api is in comparison to raid and m+. At this point there is no reason why a complete season’s history of matches can’t be requested by third party sites or displayed on the armory page. Complete mystery box with what is going on with even a certain streamer every season pumping out 10k games in 2s all usually between rival and duelist mmr. And maybe at times elite. Yes it isn’t glad but all it takes is a 2 players that already got their rank 1 locked on a main to then play on alt, or players directly below them to get it done.

**Sialina** · 2021-07-26, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by Couchpotato2013

SLB has done RMT in the past few expansions. And phoenix just disappeared over night, even though the public statement was owner couldn’t/didn’t want to run it anymore (probably mostly valid given how wonderful SL has made people feel).

I will interject a bit on the stage below glad (2400). I myself wanted azeroth’s champion, and CnS r4 was my last essence. Plenty of people in my azshara pug group bought carries for it (admittedly needing to get to duelist on their own, or if fire/destro and being an early CE getter) the price always fell between 3-7 mil. Meta spec gets 3 and non-ideal got 7m. Saw a warlock get boosted for 5 mil in 3s to 2400.

I think it is far more common than we think and the only reason why we don’t know is because how garbage blizzard’s pvp api is in comparison to raid and m+. At this point there is no reason why a complete season’s history of matches can’t be requested by third party sites or displayed on the armory page. Complete mystery box with what is going on with even a certain streamer every season pumping out 10k games in 2s all usually between rival and duelist mmr. And maybe at times elite. Yes it isn’t glad but all it takes is a 2 players that already got their rank 1 locked on a main to then play on alt, or players directly below them to get it done.

There are problems for sure, I'm just not sure those are tied much to the boosting communities. And yes, you are right, there are a couple that up and vanished, but the ones around now have very strict gold only policies.

I agree about PvP, but there is another aspect there, it is nearly impossible to boost a sub par player past 2100, they will need quite a good grasp of what to do and how to survive openers, peel and more to get carried, so yes, it's certainly possible 2100 players could get carried to glad, but a complete novice getting glad? I just don't see how that would happen.

**hydrium** · 2021-07-26, 09:13 PM

Wow is fully pay to win.

Buying the token obfuscates the step but it's still using real world money to obtain in game currency to purchase gear.

Sounds like every gacha and korean mmo ever.

I can swipe my credit card and get fully geared without putting in any time or effort on my part at all, that is the literal definition of pay to win.

**Couchpotato2013** · 2021-07-26, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by Sialina

There are problems for sure, I'm just not sure those are tied much to the boosting communities. And yes, you are right, there are a couple that up and vanished, but the ones around now have very strict gold only policies.

I agree about PvP, but there is another aspect there, it is nearly impossible to boost a sub par player past 2100, they will need quite a good grasp of what to do and how to survive openers, peel and more to get carried, so yes, it's certainly possible 2100 players could get carried to glad, but a complete novice getting glad? I just don't see how that would happen.

Yeah that’s pretty much what I think as well.

**Azerox** · 2021-07-26, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by zenzaliv

You do realize the cost of trade items is entirely set by the playerbase, right?

Lmao, you people are just blind.

**ArmatisUlv** · 2021-07-26, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by Will

Hence why I don't play anymore.

I honestly will never understand people like you. If you don't play anymore that's fine but why continue to come to a fan forum about the game you don't play anymore. Do you like keeping tabs on a game you don't play or do you just like trying to push your opinion? I'm honestly curious because when I stop playing a game I don't go to the fan forums, subreddits, youtube channels or anything for the game that I am not playing.

If I am interesting in getting back into it then I will take a quick look on said sources but I wouldn't regularly visit them, let alone post on the forum.