Reliving the Cold War: CCCP Loses to Finland

[Shalcker]

it's a yes or no question.

Stop trolling.

Check out background of that event if you're interested.
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10...-349-24124-8_4
Russia's involvement in the Czechoslovakian crisis of 1938 stemmed from two sources. Firstly, the USSR's commitment to collective resistance against Nazi aggression and expansionism - a policy which Litvinov had affirmed time and time again in public statements in 1936-7.1 Secondly, there was the Soviet-Czechoslovak mutual assistance treaty of 1935 under which the Soviet Union pledged military aid to Czechoslovakia in the event of an attack on that country by a third party. Soviet assistance was, however, conditional upon France, which also had a mutual assistance treaty with Czechoslovakia, simultaneously fulfilling its aid obligations - a clause inserted in the Soviet-Czechoslovak treaty of 1935 at the suggestion of Benesl , the Czech President.

The story of the Soviet role in the events leading to the Munich 'betrayal' of Czechoslovakia in September 1938 is a simple one. From the beginning to the end of the crisis the Soviets campaigned for international resistance to Hitler's designs on Czechoslovakia, urged the Czechs to stand firm, made it crystal clear that they would fulfil their mutual assistance obligations, and agitated for France to do the same.

[Breccia]

Czechoslovakia, until Poland, UK and France went with appeasement.

Could stop his advance right there if they would allow to defend it.

If memory serves

We've gotten really far off track, let's stick to the specifics of this topic.

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Stop trolling.

Check out background of that event if you're interested.
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10...-349-24124-8_4
Russia's involvement in the Czechoslovakian crisis of 1938 stemmed from two sources. Firstly, the USSR's commitment to collective resistance against Nazi aggression and expansionism - a policy which Litvinov had affirmed time and time again in public statements in 1936-7.1 Secondly, there was the Soviet-Czechoslovak mutual assistance treaty of 1935 under which the Soviet Union pledged military aid to Czechoslovakia in the event of an attack on that country by a third party. Soviet assistance was, however, conditional upon France, which also had a mutual assistance treaty with Czechoslovakia, simultaneously fulfilling its aid obligations - a clause inserted in the Soviet-Czechoslovak treaty of 1935 at the suggestion of Benesl , the Czech President.

The story of the Soviet role in the events leading to the Munich 'betrayal' of Czechoslovakia in September 1938 is a simple one. From the beginning to the end of the crisis the Soviets campaigned for international resistance to Hitler's designs on Czechoslovakia, urged the Czechs to stand firm, made it crystal clear that they would fulfil their mutual assistance obligations, and agitated for France to do the same.

If memory serves

We've gotten really far off track, let's stick to the specifics of this topic.

[Easo]

As I said before, you have deep issues if your whole national identity is built on "деды воевали" and a fallen empire. Using uniforms of a country gone 30 years ago just points to it.
Official game is not a historical reenactment.

[Shadowferal]

If memory serves
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If memory serves

"If"is an insanely disproportionate large word for the amount of letters it has.

[Azadina]

Maybe have some gratitude that you didn't have to?

Are you asking for gratitude after just before having gone on murdering rampage out of lust for more land and people to serve as puppets? False flag attack of winter war called, followed by some more in continuation war.

Nope. As you said post before: you reap what you sow.

[Forogil]

Note that this isn't just an isolated incident - but part of Putin's general plan to rewrite history to restore USSR to glory, and thus being an aggressor in WWII attacking Poland, Baltic States and Finland, and committing genocide doesn't fit that narrative.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/25/opini...kov/index.html
However, it is primarily for internal consumption - but people do support USSR in Russia (49% according to poll - which is a record number).

The older cohorts are nostalgic for the USSR; the younger ones have developed an image of the Soviet Union as a fairytale country, a retro-utopia where everyone is equal, everyone is free, and a stern-but-just father figure rules.
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At the last traditional December hockey tournament in Moscow, the Russian team took to the ice wearing a Soviet team uniform, and the audience often waved the Soviet flag. Three decades after the Soviet flag was officially lowered, it still looms large in Russian life.

The interesting part is that Putin manages the balancing act of both making people long for the USSR utopia, and also support the current regime that exhibits everything that was broken after USSR fell.

[Santti]

This is just sad and pathetic. Modern Russia in a nutshell, desperately clinging to past glory.

I'm sure it will be different this time!

[Milchshake]

I dont buy the 75th anniversary excuse. It's just propaganda trying to retcon the trolling attempt by a nationalistic government. Nothing says Cold War like some agitprop.

The 1946 uniforms.

[Rozz]

As a final reminder, keep it to the topic. The original warning was to impede intentional and unintentional derailing, not invite more of it.

[Forogil]

I dont buy the 75th anniversary excuse. It's just propaganda trying to retcon the trolling attempt by a nationalistic government. Nothing says Cold War like some agitprop.

The 1946 uniforms.

Yup, although that was one of the teams competing in 1946, as they didn't compete internationally under the banner of USSR until the World Championship in 1954 it seems, and then with a different design:

from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_I..._Championships

Note that the background color in that photo is likely blue not red (as I first guessed), assuming this replica is accurate:

https://jlbsportrarities.com/product...raphed-jersey/

But it seems they wore these jerseys in the 1960s; so to remember that the hockey federation was started 75 years ago, and started competing internationally 66 years ago with white on blue design, they wore jerseys from about 55 years ago.

[PC2]

Have you looked into "End of History"? That was exactly a view you hold - that there is only one way into the future, liberal democracy.

Fukuyama changed his mind though which means he probably never understood politics and socio-economics in the first place. The guy explicitly admits he's a pessimist regarding the future, tech, and human progress...

It is seen as largely disproven today.

How so? That doesn't even make sense because it's impossible to prove/disprove such concepts in political philosophy.

In a countries where liberal systems are ossified, like US, people flirt with outright coups because liberal-democratic system doesn't produce what people need - for example, even though majority wants M4A US system can neither agree to implement it in some way nor convince population that existing system is "good enough".

That's not corroborated by reality though. Also a particular kind of society doesn't have to produce everything people want, it just has to be better than all alternatives.