Another "I can't breath" death: Police Reform & Protests in the USA

[Egomaniac]

I also wonder why he'd be so positive that it was the work of cops and not some other random racists with guns. That Venn diagram certainly has an overlap, sure, but there are far more gun owning racists without badges than with.

By virtue of there being more people that aren't cops than are...that is correct.

In equal amounts though? I think the concentration of racists that also happen to be cops would likely be higher.

[PhaelixWW]

By virtue of there being more people that aren't cops than are...that is correct.

In equal amounts though? I think the concentration of racists that also happen to be cops would likely be higher.

Not even going to get into that conversation, except to say that I suspect the, I don't know what word to use, the timbre? of cop racism isn't necessarily the same as that of non-cop racism, in general.

Shooting up a gravestone seems to me to be more of an impotent action, more suited to impotent non-cop racists. Racist cops would have entirely far too many potential other outlets for their racism and would, I suspect, be less likely to "waste" their law-breaking actions on destruction of property and illegal discharge of a firearm.

[Egomaniac]

Not even going to get into that conversation, except to say that I suspect the, I don't know what word to use, the timbre? of cop racism isn't necessarily the same as that of non-cop racism, in general.

Shooting up a gravestone seems to me to be more of an impotent action, more suited to impotent non-cop racists. Racist cops would have entirely far too many potential other outlets for their racism and would, I suspect, be less likely to "waste" their law-breaking actions on destruction of property and illegal discharge of a firearm.

That's actually a compelling argument.

"Your honor, my client clearly has much more destructive ways to abuse his authority and express his racism than to engage in some vandalism"

[Mayhem]

That's actually a compelling argument.

"Your honor, my client clearly has much more destructive ways to abuse his authority and express his racism than to engage in some vandalism"

I have no doubt that there could be a bunch of racist cops or ex-cops that made it a tradition of shooting at the gravestone of one of their victims every year but there should be way more pictures to this than just one story that pops up every other year. I mean, the pictures are the same throughout the years, not very compelling.

[Egomaniac]

I have no doubt that there could be a bunch of racist cops or ex-cops that made it a tradition of shooting at the gravestone of one of their victims every year but there should be way more pictures to this than just one story that pops up every other year. I mean, the pictures are the same throughout the years, not very compelling.

Again, I'm just going to say that at no point have I said "this is proof the cops did this"

All I have been saying is "the cops assassinated a man...if they can do that and get away with it... why is it so hard to believe they might do this?"

And, I am not being facetious at all when I say that the response I got from @PhaelixWW is honestly the most compelling answer I've received to that question.

[Mayhem]

Again, I'm just going to say that at no point have I said "this is proof the cops did this"

All I have been saying is "the cops assassinated a man...if they can do that and get away with it... why is it so hard to believe they might do this?"

And, I am not being facetious at all when I say that the response I got from @PhaelixWW is honestly the most compelling answer I've received to that question.

Yeah, just wanted to share the non-info I've found. ^^

[DarkTZeratul]

All I have been saying is "the cops assassinated a man...if they can do that and get away with it... why is it so hard to believe they might do this?"

And yet you keep pushing this as though the fact that they could is proof that they probably are, and framing our skepticism as being more concerned about property damage than murder.

Honestly, for me, the fact that he was killed FIFTY YEARS AGO is the biggest reason to doubt that those cops are still shooting up his grave today.

[Huehuecoyotl]

And yet you keep pushing this as though the fact that they could is proof that they probably are, and framing our skepticism as being more concerned about property damage than murder.

Honestly, for me, the fact that he was killed FIFTY YEARS AGO is the biggest reason to doubt that those cops are still shooting up his grave today.

These racists still fly flags celebrating a war they lost 150 years ago. It wouldn't surprise me that they'd also find a way to celebrate a high profile killing of a black person a mere 50 years ago. Whether that would involve shooting up a gravestone on a regular basis is another question, but I wouldn't rule it out just because of the amount of time passed.

[Egomaniac]

And yet you keep pushing this as though the fact that they could is proof that they probably are, and framing our skepticism as being more concerned about property damage than murder.

Honestly, for me, the fact that he was killed FIFTY YEARS AGO is the biggest reason to doubt that those cops are still shooting up his grave today.

Except I'm not doing that. I don't have any evidence that they did it. I'm not making an accusation that they did.

All I'm saying is I have no reason to believe that they wouldn't.

[draynay]

And yet you keep pushing this as though the fact that they could is proof that they probably are, and framing our skepticism as being more concerned about property damage than murder.

Honestly, for me, the fact that he was killed FIFTY YEARS AGO is the biggest reason to doubt that those cops are still shooting up his grave today.

They did just make a movie about him.

[PhaelixWW]

They did just make a movie about him.

The damage to the gravestone clearly pre-dates that.

[Specialka]

Except I'm not doing that. I don't have any evidence that they did it. I'm not making an accusation that they did.

All I'm saying is I have no reason to believe that they wouldn't.

Remind me how the Stasi used to work.

[Easo]

Why are you rolling your eyes when you often do the same thing?
Like, c'mon

We all use hyperbole or have suspicions, I don't think it was to any degree of what comedy you're inventing.

I honestly have no idea what exactly you are trying to say.

[Coniferous]

Again, I'm just going to say that at no point have I said "this is proof the cops did this"

All I have been saying is "the cops assassinated a man...if they can do that and get away with it... why is it so hard to believe they might do this?"

And, I am not being facetious at all when I say that the response I got from @PhaelixWW is honestly the most compelling answer I've received to that question.

The whole "50 years ago" thing is the part that makes this really quite irrelevant.

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I honestly have no idea what exactly you are trying to say.

It seems like he's saying your hyperbole was bad, but that Ego's hyperbole was ok?

[JohnBrown1917]

The whole "50 years ago" thing is the part that makes this really quite irrelevant.

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It seems like he's saying your hyperbole was bad, but that Ego's hyperbole was ok?

Funny how it was 50 years ago and they never admitted fault to it.

[Egomaniac]

Remind me how the Stasi used to work.

Bringing up the Stasi when we're talking about a man who the FBI and Police conspired together to assassinate is a bold tactic...

[Specialka]

Bringing up the Stasi when we're talking about a man who the FBI and Police conspired together to assassinate is a bold tactic...

Why ? You are using the same reasoning as the Stasi. Can't handle it ?

[Egomaniac]

Why ? You are using the same reasoning as the Stasi. Can't handle it ?

And the FBI and police used the same tactics as the Stasi when they assassinated Fred Hampton. That's why I think it's a bold strategy.

Like, you're bringing up the exact kind of thing that makes people not trust the police.

[Specialka]

And the FBI and police used the same tactics as the Stasi when they assassinated Fred Hampton. That's why I think it's a bold strategy.

Like, you're bringing up the exact kind of thing that makes people not trust the police.

Whataboutism much ?

[draynay]

Whataboutism much ?

Great followup to your 'what about Stasi?' post.