Texas Elementary School Shooting, as many as 22 dead, including Children

[deepr]

I guess that South Park episode isn't so far from the truth.
I know this also happens in other countries sometimes, but the US, jesus.... what a sick and rotten society.

[hellhamster]

Don't think that would solve anything. Mass shooters often dies in the act so why woul death penalty help?
Psych evaluations that are quick questionnaires are easy to fake your way through. Either you need extensive observation over a period of time to establish patterns or they have to be so severe they are delusional when filling it in.



Also, this guy seems to have had problems at home and been bullied at school. Which can cause mental health issues as severe suicidal depression. But that wouldn't hamper your thinking. So this person would probably pass it if he wanted to.

I wasn't talking about a questionnaire, but something like a 2 hour session with a certified specialist, like a psychologist. The idea is to make it mandatory for people to go through a loop to get guns. Right now it seems that anyone can get them no questions asked. It may prevent people like today's shooter from getting a gun, maybe they will even be prevented by the psych evaluation itself. It's worth a try, plus it will make psychologists and the state some extra money.

[DarkAmbient]

ENOUGH.

This nonsense has never prevented mass shootings. This is NOT about fame. People have a right to know this information. The name of the shooter is just as relevant as the names of the victims. This is nothing but performative bullshit like "thoughts and prayers".

It is weird when people argue for a perpetrator's name to be omitted from discussion about the crime they committed. If some scumbag does something like this I want to know who the fuck did it.

[Kumorii]

ENOUGH.

This nonsense has never prevented mass shootings. This is NOT about fame. People have a right to know this information. The name of the shooter is just as relevant as the names of the victims. This is nothing but performative bullshit like "thoughts and prayers".

Indeed, he was bullied. Had nothing to do with fame. It has to do with being heard.

[postman1782]

You're literally just seeing what you want to see.

Your narrative isn't there.


Edit: The ditch he crashed the truck into was right in front of the school. He was probably already at the school doors before the arriving officer attempted to engage him.

It has been proven the cops were there.

[Draco-Onis]

It is weird when people argue for a perpetrator's name to be omitted from discussion about the crime they committed. If some scumbag does something like this I want to know who the fuck did it.

The argument is that doing this would prevent copycats and others who are fame hungry to do something similar. A lot of mass shooters have that goal including the Buffalo mass shooter who live streamed the whole thing.

[PrimiOne]

America's only language is ....money.

There's no other shared syntagma but the $ symbol.

So make no mistake: the only solution to this is legislation that allow the families affected by an school shooting to file a class action lawsuit against the gun industry and when this horror happens and the industry is forced to pay 10000 millions to the families they will be the ones pushing for that legislation.

Stricter gun control means less sales so there's no other way but push into their scummy bloody skulls that ,yeah, they are gonna sell less guns but no control is gonna cost them way more than that in the end.

And coming back from that alternate reality where there's a chance that happens in America to our reality...well...thoughts and prayers.Nothing more.

[Templar 331]

It is weird when people argue for a perpetrator's name to be omitted from discussion about the crime they committed. If some scumbag does something like this I want to know who the fuck did it.

Why? What good is it to know their name after they have killed themselves? They are no longer a threat. The police don't need help finding them. Let them and their name die.

[Nymrohd]

America's only language is ....money.

There's no other shared syntagma but the $ symbol.

So make no mistake: the only solution to this is legislation that allow the families affected by an school shooting to file a class action lawsuit against the gun industry and when this horror happens and the industry is forced to pay 10000 millions to the families they will be the ones pushing for that legislation.

Stricter gun control means less sales so there's no other way but push into their scummy bloody skulls that ,yeah, they are gonna sell less guns but no control is gonna cost them way more than that in the end.

And coming back from that alternate reality where there's a chance that happens in America to our reality...well...thoughts and prayers.Nothing more.

Loss of life costs vast amounts of money to the country. Lost taxes, lost productivity, opportunity cost of spending money and education time on safety precautions all heavily outweigh any gains by the gun industry. So no, if the language was money a true money maximization policy would almost always lead to a utilitarian morality. Nope, the language is power.

[DarkAmbient]

Why? What good is it to know their name after they have killed themselves? They are no longer a threat. The police don't need help finding them. Let them and their name die.

Why should a perpetrator have their name divorced from the crime they committed? Not only are you arguing for people to be less informed but you're also arguing for less accountability for the perpetrator. Bizarre.

[Makabreska]

Loss of life costs vast amounts of money to the country. Lost taxes, lost productivity, opportunity cost of spending money and education time on safety precautions all heavily outweigh any gains by the gun industry. So no, if the language was money a true money maximization policy would almost always lead to a utilitarian morality. Nope, the language is power.

I mean, it costs country, not the gun industry. And they pull the strings by financing politicians with money donations. Hence the power they have. That's the point.

[Iain]

Why should a perpetrator have their name divorced from the crime they committed? Not only are you arguing for people to be less informed but you're also arguing for less accountability for the perpetrator. Bizarre.

Because infamy usually is the main motive for these shooters. The Parkland shooter recorded a video of himself referring to other shooters and how he was going to break their record. Which he did. They're not worried that people will look at them negatively, that's what they want.

[Draco-Onis]

I am not making light of the shooting because it's horrible and I would not wish this on anyone... however... fearmongering is overpowering logic.

Allow me to explain in the simplest of terms...

There have been 202 mass shootings in the States this year with 221 Deaths as a result from them.

On average from year to year anywhere from 10,000 to 12,000 people die from drunk drivers every year.
In 2021, well over 78,000 people died from prescribed medication drug overdoses and we are set to be over 100,000 this year.

That being said it's still wrong and it sucks but it's fearmongering and emotion overpowering logic. Logically we should be working on prohibition and vastly overhauling prescription drugs and the doctors who prescribe them... but here I am seeing a thread of people blaming this and that while ignoring the elephant in the room.

Drug overdoses and drug addiction are considered a national disaster and we spend billions of dollars not to mention countless legislations fighting it. This is a sad attempt at whataboutism, also if we had as many restrictions on driving as guns we wouldn't have this problem.

[Poopymonster]

Loss of life costs vast amounts of money to the country. Lost taxes, lost productivity, opportunity cost of spending money and education time on safety precautions all heavily outweigh any gains by the gun industry. So no, if the language was money a true money maximization policy would almost always lead to a utilitarian morality. Nope, the language is power.

These are children. They don't pay taxes. They don't produce anything. They DO have a lot of money spent on them, across 18+years.
So in the short term, purely from Capitalist perspective, they can't work, they didn't lose someone who buys shit, their parents do that and would buy shit with that money otherwise. So that money is spent regardless of if it's on childcare, vacation in Italy, or attending the Wiggles Reunion Tour. There is the monthly American bump in the child sized coffin industry and funeral industry all in the short term though. Long term, those taxpayers and consumers will be missed. Good thing we're forcing pregnancies to be carried here to alleviate that part.

[Templar 331]

Why should a perpetrator have their name divorced from the crime they committed? Not only are you arguing for people to be less informed but you're also arguing for less accountability for the perpetrator. Bizarre.

What's bizarre is how some people fetishize murders. They for some odd reason get a rise out of knowing who did what murder. Is that why you want to know?

What I want is for these people to be forgotten. Their deeds will live on as a scar on the human race, their names shouldn't have the right to go on because of it.

[szechuan]

Republicans are the problem

Trump Signs Bill Revoking Obama-Era Gun Checks for People With Mental Illnesses
The new law nullifies an Obama-backed rule that added people with mental illnesses to the national background check database.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...mental-n727221

[DarkAmbient]

Because infamy usually is the main motive for these shooters. The Parkland shooter recorded a video of himself referring to other shooters and how he was going to break their record. Which he did. They're not worried that people will look at them negatively, that's what they want.

That's an argument against publishing body counts, not names.

What's bizarre is how some people fetishize murders. They for some odd reason get a rise out of knowing who did what murder. Is that why you want to know?

What I want is for these people to be forgotten. Their deeds will live on as a scar on the human race, their names shouldn't have the right to go on because of it.

Identifying perpetrators ≠ fetishizing their crimes.

[Specialka]

When Trump made the list of shitty country, he forgot to add the US. Shitty culture and shitty place to live.

[Teriz]

Sandy Hook 2.0, and no one's going to do a damn thing about it.

Also get ready for copycats in the next few days. Thank goodness the school year is ending in most parts of the US.

[Poopymonster]

That's an argument against publishing body counts, not names.



Identifying perpetrators ≠ fetishizing their crimes.

You know someone is going to see the shooters name, and start furiously masturbating about how everyone from Rosy Brown to Beige is going to kill, kidnap, and rape all the Real Americans (in that order) unless we seal up the Southern border and stop immigrants from taking the jobs American's refuse to do for shit wages they pay.