Is Lakeshire gone?

[Varodoc]

Are the other towns still there?, westfall was in the middle of a civil war in cataclysm and isnt the town in duskwood gone in legion??

The civil war ended when Alliance heroes defeated VanCleef and destroyed the last remnants of the Defias. The Alliance triumphed in Westfall as the Defias are no more.

As for Duskwood, since all those who went rogue were vanquished, we can reasonably assume that the town was retaken by the Alliance. The town itself was never destroyed, only some of the Night's Watch turned to the Legion, but they were all slain by the Rogue player.

[AcidicSyn]

I think its implied that lakeshires populace is wiped out.

But IIRC, the Kyrian just says they don't think they'll make it. So its still technically possible Blizzard can decide that Turalyon (or someone else) was able to relieve the town shortly after the Kyrian players business there is concluded.

Will any of this be reflected in game either way? I doubt it.

[Piamonte]

The civil war ended when Alliance heroes defeated VanCleef and destroyed the last remnants of the Defias. The Alliance triumphed in Westfall as the Defias are no more.

As for Duskwood, since all those who went rogue were vanquished, we can reasonably assume that the town was retaken by the Alliance. The town itself was never destroyed, only some of the Night's Watch turned to the Legion, but they were all slain by the Rogue player.

Thats not accurate, yes, the defias are defeated but sentinel hill is attacked by a mob at the end of the story and that plot is never resolved.

[Varodoc]

Thats not accurate, yes, the defias are defeated but sentinel hill is attacked by a mob at the end of the story and that plot is never resolved.

No, that plot is resolved.

In the following dungeon "Deadmines Cataclysm", you bring down the entire Defias leadership, including Vanessa VanCleef, and wipe out their forces. Thus, the Defias are canonically defeated and the Alliance triumphed.

It is not reflected in-game, obviously, because the world hasn't been revamped since Cataclysm. Or do you also think that half of Tirisfal is still in the hands of the Scarlet Crusade?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Are the other towns still there?, westfall was in the middle of a civil war in cataclysm and isnt the town in duskwood gone in legion??

exploring azeroth tells us that Sentinel Hill is being rebuilt to be larder and more fortified in mind of past defies attacks.

and duskwood has a whole story about it. https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/st...-by-torchlight

[Piamonte]

No, that plot is resolved.

In the following dungeon "Deadmines Cataclysm", you bring down the entire Defias leadership, including Vanessa VanCleef, and wipe out their forces. Thus, the Defias are canonically defeated and the Alliance triumphed.

It is not reflected in-game, obviously, because the world hasn't been revamped since Cataclysm. Or do you also think that half of Tirisfal is still in the hands of the Scarlet Crusade?

No, because is the same questline, you come back after you defeat vanessa vancleaf and a mob attacks sentinel hill and the quest ends there.

[Lora]

why would it be lich king era?? the Kyrian just found the soul, which mean he died not so long ago.

souls dont reach their destination instantly when they die. theres timey wimey bullshit that happens.

[Piamonte]

souls dont reach their destination instantly when they die. theres timey wimey bullshit that happens.

just read all the comments, is present era.

[deathshere]

I was just playing the Kyrian covenant campaign and you are sent to get the soul of a man that just died and you see the way he died and he died because the scourge overrun the town (probably because the lich king is no more) and killed him, the people gather at the town hall but the kyrian that it is with you says they ill never make it.

So.. is Lakeshire gone as a town (lorewise)??

there is no story anymore, nothing matters

[Varodoc]

No, because is the same questline, you come back after you defeat vanessa vancleaf and a mob attacks sentinel hill and the quest ends there.

You're completely wrong.

The questline ends before you are given the quest to go into the dungeon, as evidenced by the fact that Vanessa and the wolf bandit appear in Sentinel Hill fine and healthy, when they are completely defeated in the dungeon.

The Eastern Kingdoms book also proves you wrong, as the Alliance is rebuilding Sentinel Hill to be greater and sturdier.

The Alliance triumphed over the Defias. The Defias rebellion is completely and utterly squashed and Westfall is fully under Alliance control.

Did you seriously think that a little terrorist band could maintain a siege against the Alliance (greatest mortal superpower left on Azeroth) for many years? Did you really think that siege was still going on?

[cparle87]

High-King Turalyon stated that the Alliance military should be redeployed in Lordaeron to reclaim former Alliance holdings there.

Lakeshire and the other isolated towns of the South have their own militias that are capable of defending themselves. They do not require aid from the Alliance to deal with a few shambling corpses.

The mindless Scourge is not a concern for the Alliance. Of course, the same can't be said for Quel'Thalas, but I digress.

You mean how Darkshire was left on its own and in the words of its mayor and guards "abandoned" even back in vanilla? How Westfall is completely destitute with only one functioning farm left and a massive homeless population after people lost their everythings after Stormwind didn't have enough money for anything but the army? How Lakeshire has been under constant attack from orcs since vanilla, even having the fortress meant for their defense taken over by them.

Sure. The towns in the south are totally capable of defending themselves.

[ABK Morgan]

Regardless of all this, it just shows its time for a world revamp, tie up all these loose threads and move on.

[Lora]

just read all the comments, is present era.

yeah you should read about how you're wrong lol.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Should have let Zaela induce that volcanic eruption in Blackrock Mountain and wipe out the entire region when we had the chance.

[Piamonte]

yeah you should read about how you're wrong lol.

the state of the bridge proves is present era, someone posted a picture a while ago.

[TickTickTick]

I think time in Shadowlands flies faster. I’m not sure though.

This has been explained long ago. It's not that 1 year in Shadowlands = 100 years in Azeroth or whatever. It's that there's no aging, seasons, day/night in Shadowlands, you don't tire, you don't rest, souls exist for eternity meaning no "the end of you some time in the future", time passing differently in Shadowlands means the souls there just lack the relative idea. Or just don't feel like time is relevant to their existence at all.

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souls dont reach their destination instantly when they die. theres timey wimey bullshit that happens.

But you personally accompany Kleia when fetching that soul. Entering Shadowlands after BfA, then joining Kleia to reclaim a soul, coming back to Azeroth and ending up in Wotlk time would mean time travel and it's not how it works.

[MrLachyG]

I think time in Shadowlands flies faster. I’m not sure though. Scourge invading Lakeshire now that Sylvanas is gone is also possible.

it's 100% confirmed. this was the result of Sylvanas breaking the Helm of Domination. not from the Lich King era at all. while time does apparently move faster in the Shadowlands, the soul of Argus hadn't yet been killed at the time of the Lich King, and therefore the Arbiter was still working during that time.

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yeah you should read about how you're wrong lol.

dude it's present era. you're the one who is wrong.

[loras]

I was just playing the Kyrian covenant campaign and you are sent to get the soul of a man that just died and you see the way he died and he died because the scourge overrun the town (probably because the lich king is no more) and killed him, the people gather at the town hall but the kyrian that it is with you says they ill never make it.

So.. is Lakeshire gone as a town (lorewise)??

I think its fate, like most in Warcraft lore, is up in the air.
What we know is that the feral Scourge attacked it and killed a dude, we do not know what happens after.

As they are feral common defense tactics should work a lot better than against those led by the cult of the damned in the past, since these are essentially glorified but numerous and infectious beasts. No uncurable plague of undeath preceding them this time either, nor demonic infiltration.

So Lakeshire might still survive, arguably the most likely outcome since we ferried that soul to Bastion, which means he was not raised.

[Caerule]

Okay, I see a lot of strangely differing opinions here. I believe this is the answer:

The town will be fine. The Kyrian quest is there to escort that one soul that failed to evacuate in the boarded up town hall. Those that did evacuate will be safe until help arrives. When it's not shown ingame, Blizzard always tends to preserve normality. Keep things as they were.

The quest takes place during the expansion, to show that without the Lich King to hold back the Scourge, they are indeed rampaging everywhere. They are doing so, the entire expansion. Even by the end, when the Jailer is dead, and now lesser forces are asserting dominance over portions of the Scourge.

There's no timey-whimey stuff. Blizzard has already clarified this. While for the souls of the dead, being in the Shadowlands has unshackled them from time as we experience it, and such the flow of time comes to depend more on perception, such is not the case for the living, visiting the Shadowlands. Time moves as normal for us, while we're there. The Shadowlands are not a realm of chaos, like the Nether, where things move faster as you go deeper. If anything, it's a realm of order. There's not going to be a timeskip. And there's three quests that take us back to Azeroth during our Shadowlands adventures. We were never stuck there, isolated from Azeroth.

But yeah, it's safe to assume Lakeshire endured the Scourge passing through the area. We were there to escort just that farmer that didn't get shelter.

[Cheezits]

Find out in two more years.