So turns out, Dracthyr design isn't half so bad...

[Berkilak]

Semantics and opinion.

Semantics, yes. But this is a semantic discussion, so it should go without saying.
Opinion, no. People choose to use specific words to convey a specific meaning. This is why language exists. The term "Dracthyr" exists to differentiate the Dracthyr from Dragons. If they were the same thing, the term "Dracthyr" would not exist.

Means nothing against Blizzard and the devs calling them dragons on multiple occasions.

They have. They've also applied the word to cloud serpents, faerie dragons borrow the term, and chimaeras/rylaks have also been called dragons, among others I assume. But they aren't Dragons. If they're as synonymous as you claim, the term "Dracthyr" is redundant and doesn't need to exist.

[Soimu]

Yeh, had a chance to check it out on the beta, and it's incredibly detailed - I wouldn't say it hit the sweet spot for me, but I do think it's the best race on the cards.

I was able to come up with some really nice designs that I thought, you know what, this isn't half so bad as i thought it would be - you can make your dragon form look much more masculine than I first thought, but it takes some exploring, - but if that's your only issue then... it certainly is monster enough, but cool enough ---

The design is still Warcraft grounded, those "feet", would never get use to them, and the visage form, well that is actually incredibly detailed.

Might be good overall.

Still it a class with a dumb name and also a race with a dumb name.

[Teriz]

Semantics, yes. But this is a semantic discussion, so it should go without saying.
Opinion, no. People choose to use specific words to convey a specific meaning. This is why language exists. The term "Dracthyr" exists to differentiate the Dracthyr from Dragons. If they were the same thing, the term "Dracthyr" would not exist.

They have. They've also applied the word to cloud serpents, faerie dragons borrow the term, and chimaeras/rylaks have also been called dragons, among others I assume. But they aren't Dragons. If they're as synonymous as you claim, the term "Dracthyr" is redundant and doesn't need to exist.

I don’t know what’s more amusing; You consistently dodging because you can’t produce a quote from Blizzard, or you actually believing they would create a playable race called “Dragon”.

[Berkilak]

I don’t know what’s more amusing; You consistently dodging because you can’t produce a quote from Blizzard,

I already did - you ignored it as it didn't fit your narrative. I also gave you a list of things they called dragons without actually being Dragons, proper.

or you actually believing they would create a playable race called “Dragon”.

Why wouldn't they? Aren't Dracthyr just Dragons? Why would they call them something else if they're the same thing?

[Koollan]

I've never said that, so put your reading glasses on. I've said clearly that Dracthyrs can be super fun to play, but to call them DRAGONS is a travesty. They are humanoids with dragon features.

But they're not dragons. They're experiments made by Deathwing. Distinctly not dragons.

[Ielenia]

https://i.ibb.co/yScvXNw/Dracthyr-Body-1-Evoker-Wowhead-Dressing-Room-1.png
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...qmv01CNdvHz3e2
https://e7.pngegg.com/pngimages/1002...ure-dragon.png
https://www.pngfind.com/pngs/m/159-1...parent-png.png
https://cdn.imgbin.com/15/3/24/imgbi...EqxEy5AfNa.jpg

Totally not dragons according to Ielenia...

Amazing. All those pictures, and only one of them is an actual dragon from Warcraft, and even that is not even a picture from the game itself, but artwork.

The Hover that has to exist within the confines and balance of WoW's race/class system? Yeah, that Hover.

In other words, dracthyr cannot fly like dragons can. Not only their visage ability is different from dragons, but also their wings apparently aren't as strong enough to support them in actual flight.

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Semantics and opinion. Means nothing against Blizzard and the devs calling them dragons on multiple occasions.

Blizzard has further demonstrated how dracthyr and dragons aren't the same when they had Wrathion explicitly point out how the dracthyr's visage form differs from the dragons' visage.

[panda040]

the drakthyr look stupid and stinky, let me make them beefer like the guards and then they will look cool

[Rageonit]

But they're not dragons. They're experiments made by Deathwing. Distinctly not dragons.

Then we're in agreement.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

In other words, dracthyr cannot fly like dragons can. Not only their visage ability is different from dragons, but also their wings apparently aren't as strong enough to support them in actual flight.

Gotta wonder, why do you keep repeating the “can’t support actual flight” part when we already know they can in the lore and the limits in game are purely for gameplay reasons?

Like your even posting the actual reasons they aren’t like full dragons why repeat the falsehood?

[Auburst]

Dracthyr warriors when

Probably for one of DF patches, when subs start to leak. I would rather have Drakonid warrior tho.

[Teriz]

Gotta wonder, why do you keep repeating the “can’t support actual flight” part when we already know they can in the lore and the limits in game are purely for gameplay reasons?

Like your even posting the actual reasons they aren’t like full dragons why repeat the falsehood?

At this point it is clear that there are posters who refuse to except reality and want to push their personal notions of what is and is not a dragon over Blizzard themselves, who has stated on multiple occasions that the Dracthyr are dragons, and playing them allows you to play as a dragon.

Just like the folks who are obsessed with the size of the Dracthyr's muscles, there's really no valid reason to discuss this topic with those posters any further. Godspeed if you decide to venture down that rabbit hole of silliness.

[Koollan]

Then we're in agreement.

Okay, then why the disdain for how they're portrayed when it's obvious why?

[Ninelives9]

This is a common theme. Guards often get to look better than players. x)

[draugril]

At this point it is clear that there are posters who refuse to except reality and want to push their personal notions of what is and is not a dragon over Blizzard themselves, who has stated on multiple occasions that the Dracthyr are dragons, and playing them allows you to play as a dragon.

Just like the folks who are obsessed with the size of the Dracthyr's muscles, there's really no valid reason to discuss this topic with those posters any further. Godspeed if you decide to venture down that rabbit hole of silliness.

Answe this simple question, and I’ll drop it: if Dracthyr are Dragons, why call them Dracthyr and not Dragons?

[Teriz]

Answe this simple question, and I’ll drop it: if Dracthyr are Dragons, why call them Dracthyr and not Dragons?

Because Blizzard wanted a fancy name for their playable draconic race. “Dragon” is too broad and too generic for a playable race name. “Drac” means dragon, and “thyr” is a completely made up word.

[Le Conceptuel]

More likely you'll hear either "alien" or "Are you a furry?".
It does little to resemble a dragon, even if just because dragons are commonly quadrupedal.

I'd definitely say it looks like a Dragon, just not something that belongs in Warcraft. I know that the "scalie" thing is a bit of a circlejerk, but they were designed by an actual furry IIRC and they definitely look the part, which makes them very incongruous with other designs in WoW.

[AcidicSyn]

More likely you'll hear either "alien" or "Are you a furry?".
It does little to resemble a dragon, even if just because dragons are commonly quadrupedal.

Mind you that this is aimed at the idea that it resembles to the common eye, as you say, "a dragon". I am not gonna bother argueing about the style again, given that my experience with pidgeons

I just tested this theory. Walked around my office asking randoms "what creature is this?"

1 person did say dragon.
10 said Lizardman.
3 asked if I was bored.

Full disclosure, the one who said dragon technically said "Is that supposed to be a dragon?"

Personally? I think I'd probably guess "Dragonkin" if I saw this without context.

[Lionwoman]

I think body proportions still weird me out (and faces tbh) but customization is incredible.

[Nzx]

Evokers look great. The customization options are good. Everyone talks about the 'infinite' transmog options that Evokers don't get to wear and then complains about how all the 'good' transmog comes from the ingame shop. You all just want to complain because there is nothing else in your life except the attention you get when you argue online.

[Varanus]

I just tested this theory. Walked around my office asking randoms "what creature is this?"

1 person did say dragon.
10 said Lizardman.
3 asked if I was bored.

Full disclosure, the one who said dragon technically said "Is that supposed to be a dragon?"

Personally? I think I'd probably guess "Dragonkin" if I saw this without context.

I asked 3 people and got answers that were pretty much "Some kind of dragon?"
Note: I showed them my Dracthyr I made on wowhead and asked what they thought of it. Didnt specifically ask what they thought it was. And they all just defaulted to it being some kind of dragon.