After playing Wrath I’m reminded why they pruned abilities

[Kehego]

I've been playing retail in prepatch. Why else would I be here talking about it?



You should maybe just skip ahead and make a blog post to tell everyone who plays Classic that they are playing the game wrong too. Rather than addressing people one at a time like this. I didn't realise that I was playing the game wrong.

there's no right and wrong, I said it don't matter
If you wanna be the fastest person in the blindfolded handcuffed hogtied 100m dash, by all means, go for it. A lot of people play qwop

[Thundering]

This is not true
The harder raids in classic like original Naxx and Sunwell are easly as hard or harder than retail hcs.

The first raids like mc can maybe be called as easy as LFR if it wasent for the fact you need to cordinate 40 people.
I would say in TBC Kara Gruul and mag is something between LFR and normal. Mag prenerf was definitively as hard as a hc boss.
In some cases classic was or is harder due to classes are less strong than retail like everyone has CR and such.

And most of the mechanics in all raids cant be boiled down to and this is both classic and retail
Stand in groups at the right places
Dont stand here
Move here
BIG aoe heals spam (use cd)
BIG Single target heal spam (use cd)
Use tank cds
Use dps cds
Run awey from each outer
Run to each outer
Run as a group
Run awey from ability
Collect buff
Block buff
I think i missed some but essentially this is it. The only thing that really stands out in retail is mythic.

[GrinnersGrin]

People really be scared of binding more than 5 buttons?

[sam86]

honestly i never understood the whole zooval behind everything xD seems weird

check Danasur irl, he is the worst toxic fan type ever, except he - for some unknown reason (probably relatives) - got in position powerful to bend lore to fit his twisted image

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Are you saying Rallying Cry nor spell reflect doesn't exist in Retail? Nor healthstones??

They aren't shown in charts -.- ?

[garicasha]

If someone loves playing classic warrior where they maximize DPS by (ab)using the ‘bug’ that the offhand won’t miss if heroic strike is toggled on and then using swing timers to fit in slams optimally, more power to them.

But I can see why they changed it.

[Flurryfang]

Personally, i love this overabundance of ablities. It makes it interesting to choose what you have on your primary action bar and what to put on the other bars. I like having a full board with all sorts of additional abilties, that i don't use all the time, but might be used if i find it needful.

Playing both shaman and paladin, the utility and fluff abilties are why i like playing these classes. They feel poorer without them and lose a lot of flavor.

[ArenaDk]

Lets stop harassing classic for its easy gameplay and low effort need to top the logs. Its what the charm about it is. It allows you to go back in time and feel like a good player without the commitment retail brings. Its perfect for someone coming from a long day of work and just wanting to feel rewarded and strong.

[Loveliest]

50 is huge overestimation.
20-30 would be much closer to true value... but at the end you use around 10.

Come on. Even on retail I frequently use more than 10 (prot paladin). What class do you play?

[Mendzia]

Come on. Even on retail I frequently use more than 10 (prot paladin). What class do you play?

Your answer is literally 2 posts above...

[Mahcake]

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Calls people "kiddies", "tryhards" and "boomers" and then he himself writes like a little hurt child.

Classic.

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That is true. I did Normal/Heroic raids back in WotLK, MoP and WoD. Also some mythics in WoD.
Over the years, I feel like the game became much more forgiving. Difficulty is more or less the same but you can make much more mistakes in retail than in Classic. Especially now when there's another battle ress in DF.

Also, as you described, the raid mechanics keep repeating themselves. Last week, I did a LFR marathon (10+ bosses in 1 day) on my monk and every 2nd boss has basically the same mechanics in SL. I know LFR is faceroll easy and in Mythic it would be different but nothing really changed from my WoD raiding days. They keep repeating the same stuff over and over again, just with different arenas/patterns. I wish they would at least get rid of trash mobs. Killing 10 packs of mobs before getting to a boss is soooo boring and it plays no role in adding fun factor.

[Thundering]

they simply have different methods

Classic everything is though tough and figured out making it seems easier than retail. It not really easier or harder than most retail content when its fixed.

Retail release Mythic content that is extremely hard and only made for the people who play the game like a job, making it unavailable for semi hardcore players untill its "fixed"=Nerfed.
This is just boring in my opinion,

It all boils down to how many mechanics/boss and reaction speeds and i dont think they have added any new mechanics to pve in years since the game has kinda run out of options on how to react to them.

[tomten]

They have pruned it via the talent trees by providing often more attractive options for those points, particularly for PVE.

I'm confused. I know we've reused icons but you've even labeled the macro "her" for heroic leap.
An ability that didnt exist in wotlk.
Why is it on your bars?

I'm sure I could remove easily 5 buttons on your wotlk bars and you wouldn't even notice.

Edit. The more I look, the funnier it becomes lol... Yeh, good try bro. Didn't work though.
I can remove 5 buttons from your "wotlk" bars and I could add 5 on your Dragon flight. Making them roughly equal...

[vian]

and it still has the best combat of any mmo so who cares other than the people who realllllllly wanna buff spirit fort and shadow prot?

This has to be sarcasm.

[Mahcake]

they simply have different methods

Classic everything is though tough and figured out making it seems easier than retail. It not really easier or harder than most retail content when its fixed.

Retail release Mythic content that is extremely hard and only made for the people who play the game like a job, making it unavailable for semi hardcore players untill its "fixed"=Nerfed.
This is just boring in my opinion,

It all boils down to how many mechanics/boss and reaction speeds and i dont think they have added any new mechanics to pve in years since the game has kinda run out of options on how to react to them.

Yes. Looking back at my Mythic raiding in WoD, I was just more stressed because of it. As you said, ppl take it too seriously and as a job and it takes all the fun out of it. Maybe it was because I was in "bad" guild but you have to be kinda HC to do that content i guess.

So now I'm completely fine with just Normals/Heroics and those are still the same difficulty-wise as back in Classic.

[Soikona]

Your answer is literally 2 posts above...

That’s over 100 ago… I don’t think you know what the word literally means.

[Kehego]

This has to be sarcasm.

play any other mmo with their disconnected attacks and animations that don't connect.

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Calls people "kiddies", "tryhards" and "boomers" and then he himself writes like a little hurt child.

Classic.



That is true. I did Normal/Heroic raids back in WotLK, MoP and WoD. Also some mythics in WoD.
Over the years, I feel like the game became much more forgiving. Difficulty is more or less the same but you can make much more mistakes in retail than in Classic. Especially now when there's another battle ress in DF.

Also, as you described, the raid mechanics keep repeating themselves. Last week, I did a LFR marathon (10+ bosses in 1 day) on my monk and every 2nd boss has basically the same mechanics in SL. I know LFR is faceroll easy and in Mythic it would be different but nothing really changed from my WoD raiding days. They keep repeating the same stuff over and over again, just with different arenas/patterns. I wish they would at least get rid of trash mobs. Killing 10 packs of mobs before getting to a boss is soooo boring and it plays no role in adding fun factor.

uh huh

BACK IN MY DAY, WE NEEDED 57 BUTTONS. WE ONLY EVER USED FIVE BUT THE CHARM WAS HAVING FULL BARS.

and you're a complete moron if you think that anything save mu'ru was above LFR difficulty.

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Yes. Looking back at my Mythic raiding in WoD, I was just more stressed because of it. As you said, ppl take it too seriously and as a job and it takes all the fun out of it. Maybe it was because I was in "bad" guild but you have to be kinda HC to do that content i guess.

So now I'm completely fine with just Normals/Heroics and those are still the same difficulty-wise as back in Classic.

shit mythic guilds are dime-a-dozen.

Gorefiend wall I gather? lol

[Mendzia]

That’s over 100 ago… I don’t think you know what the word literally means.

20min between both of my replies is 100 years...?
Okay...

[fooleymignon]

I literally just gave you the #1 parser who 3 ou of this dmg done is from auto attacks and passive damage...Compare that to retail warriors who are using many more abilities normally as well as in their proper rotation/priority..on top of them using all those abilities in an inherent more complex environment as well and it's just not really a comparison imho.

Classic is fun and amazing and I honestly prefer it over retail at times, but to call it more complex is just flat wrong imo.

agreed, classic is way more fun. i don't understand why these retail people are even having this conversation. I just logged into retail for the first time in years and it's the most confusing thing in the world. Playing a balance druid on retail right now is like 100 buttons. On wotlk classic i top damage but spamming moonfire/starfall/hurricane and thats it LOL

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its like the retail kids have something to prove LOL i literally made an account to respond here because the OP was so biased it's not even funny. WOTLK classic is simpler than DF retail right now. End of discussion

[sam86]

Because they don't do damage? You can't be srs lol

that's literally what i meant, those extra abilities that differ between a brain-off dps and a top dps is those utilities, yet u linked the chart for some unknown reason to tell me that u don't 'need' those extra abilities, then now u say they aren't shown?
Of course they aren't shown! if a retardin use his proc flash heal to help heal a tank, it won't be shown in dps chart!

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agreed, classic is way more fun. i don't understand why these retail people are even having this conversation. I just logged into retail for the first time in years and it's the most confusing thing in the world. Playing a balance druid on retail right now is like 100 buttons. On wotlk classic i top damage but spamming moonfire/starfall/hurricane and thats it LOL

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its like the retail kids have something to prove LOL i literally made an account to respond here because the OP was so biased it's not even funny. WOTLK classic is simpler than DF retail right now. End of discussion

I Miss moonkin of wrath, it was actual unique and great, u go arcane, then all way nature, then back again
not this current system of dps proc -.-

[Bigbazz]

I'm confused. I know we've reused icons but you've even labeled the macro "her" for heroic leap.
An ability that didnt exist in wotlk.
Why is it on your bars?

Why people keep making clueless posts. Heroic Fury is a talent that resets Intercept cooldown, the Heroic Leap icon was taken directly from this.

I love how people make arguments in a topic like this when they are utterly clueless about the game. Well done guys keep this up.