[Megathread] DotA 2

[LiiLoSNK]

http://i.imgur.com/O4yaDIl.png

cyborgmatt just posted that with "rise from the ashes #dota 2"

https://twitter.com/Cyborgmatt/statu...20666248548352

Ive no idea what it means but it says phoenix so i am officially jumping on the hype train.

Fun times ahead.

[Charge me Doctor]

Any idea when Earth Spirit is being nerfed? Or preferably burnt in eternal hellfire for being more cancerous than phantom lancer?

I mean I cant fathom why hes even a hero, the kit is absolutely absurd.

But that's what makes dota fun. I remember Naix having only Avatar in his toolset as active skill. Basically it was free BKB, so i can't call it a "skill". He was so frustrating to play against. 1 hit and you are permaslowed to death.

And let's talk about absurd:
DOOMED

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But that's what makes dota fun. I remember Naix having only Avatar in his toolset as active skill. Basically it was free BKB, so i can't call it a "skill". He was so frustrating to play against. 1 hit and you are permaslowed to death.

And let's talk about absurd:
DOOMED

ES is just bullshit in every single way possible, you can't own the game without ever using his ulti, just retarded

[Kjalar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpIyCwApaSg

there is a video of what a slightly fed UD can do, keep in mind tombstone by this point isnt as strong as it is at level 7

"Slightly fed"? Considering that the kills counter shows 40-14, I'm pretty sure the guys you were slaughtering were half-naked.
Anyway, I was talking about the early game.

And regarding the yesterday's comments - you guys were right. Decided to play this hero myself to understand how it works yesterday and found that it's rather good on the lane. Guess my friend just doesn't build/play UD properly.

[Charge me Doctor]

Aw man I love every hero in Dota even the annoying ones, but ES just makes every game miserable. Ive even tried playing him and the skill level is so deceptive, its not even all that hard to pop out his insta-win combo. Then wait 4 seconds for it to be off cd again. Even his ultimate seems like its just there for the lulz, you dont even need it tbh, its just free extra damage.

ES stands for earth shaker. Try burning his mana away and he is done. It's not rocket science. Silence or mana break disrupts him and makes him useless. (doomed was a little hint), just pick doom bringer like a dick when you see kao picked (like people still pick pugna against skywrath mage).

There is not that much things in dota that can't be handled by items/heroes, and kaolin is not one of these things. And if you get stomped by kao without him using ult, you do something wrong. The only reason for him not using ult is being close to oom

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ES stands for earth shaker. Try burning his mana away and he is done. It's not rocket science. Silence or mana break disrupts him and makes him useless. (doomed was a little hint), just pick doom bringer like a dick when you see kao picked (like people still pick pugna against skywrath mage).

There is not that much things in dota that can't be handled by items/heroes, and kaolin is not one of these things. And if you get stomped by kao without him using ult, you do something wrong. The only reason for him not using ult is being close to oom

Doom does not counter ES, the range of his iniation is massive, all he has to do is jump in and punch out the carry while using his ulti - doesn't matter if he dies then to a doom because he isn't the carry and thiers just died.

[Charge me Doctor]

Doom does not counter ES, the range of his iniation is massive, all he has to do is jump in and punch out the carry while using his ulti - doesn't matter if he dies then to a doom because he isn't the carry and thiers just died.

It's the same as freezing Bara as CM when he runs on you. You have to react quick, and be aware about possibility that Kao will appear from nearest cliff in boulderform to take your carry away. Just doom/silence him when he arrives and he is done. I've done it too much times as Drow and Crobelus and i know it's not hard (if he doesn't focus you, then everything is screwed)

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Oh sure theres ways to counter him, im well aware of that, im usually not the one feeding him early game, problem is when he gets an inch he takes a mile. The cooldowns on his spells are way out of order for the mana cost they are. The other spirits can escape at a hefty cost but Earth Spirit can zip from one tower to another almost instantly, not to mention you have a force staff on steroids for an ability.

I just think that his kit is too good for the cost its on, if he actually had to manage his mana without just blurting out combos it would seem more reasonable. As it stands it doesnt matter if he combos a support for the lulz, because he can do it again to the main carry within 7 seconds I think.


Edit: Like puffler said above the range of initiation is one reason why the heroes so absurd, theres almost no downsides to his kit.

On mana cost i can say that they are justified for his int gain (it's the same as for Ogre Magi). His boulder costs like blink but can't be used the same way (if you collide with enemy you stop) all other skill cost more than 100 mana iirc. And he can't spam his skills without having big int items. I don't think that he can break past 600 mana on 11'th level, how is he supposed to spam skills?

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Hitting a drow / krob silence is considerably easier than hitting a doom on a moving target, keeping in my it takes less than a second to combo someone

[Charge me Doctor]

Hitting a drow / krob silence is considerably easier than hitting a doom on a moving target, keeping in my it takes less than a second to combo someone

It takes more than a second since noticing a rolling stone is kinda easy with sound effects it provides. It's like saying that it's hard to notice kotl horsie-run. And, well, it's boils down to how fast you react to being ambushed and getting caught out of position (because noticing rolling Kao in your face increases chances of him being blocked by the-guy-he-don't-want-to-push). It works same with Pudge hookingsomeone on HG because of lack of vision.
Also, beastmasters hawk gives you immunity to Kao initiations on your carry

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It doesn't take more than a second to combo as ES, it does it you are slow at rolling and punching, and the power of ES is early game, so it is unlikely doom will be hugging people pre 15 mins by which time you can have already won the game for your team

[Longview]

Hahaha I know what you mean but why do you not like him? He's kind of like Slark I think.

So fun to play. Not so fun to play against.

i watched my friend get 1900+ with only monkey king

that heros crazy

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ES is OP. There is no doubt about it. Doom doesn't stop him. He has already won the game by the time Doom gets his ultimate.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpIyCwApaSg

there is a video of what a slightly fed UD can do, keep in mind tombstone by this point isnt as strong as it is at level 7

pls, unfed people are more fun to watch.

I just noticed that guy was 13/3/19 before the fight even started. "slightly fed"

On mana cost i can say that they are justified for his int gain (it's the same as for Ogre Magi). His boulder costs like blink but can't be used the same way (if you collide with enemy you stop) all other skill cost more than 100 mana iirc. And he can't spam his skills without having big int items. I don't think that he can break past 600 mana on 11'th level, how is he supposed to spam skills?

I dunno about you but when I last played ES I got early kill mana boots and the train never stopped rolling.

[hiragana]

I hope ES does get nerfed soon, i really enjoyed the hero when he first came out, i loved the mobility. But now i barely ever play him since im sick of hearing about how OP he is all the time.
I guess i understand how players that genuinely like PL feel now.

[Charge me Doctor]

Losing games is fun. 72 minute game. First game where i've seen Nyx support after rework on Impale. And he sucked hard and couldn't even break 22 level at 70 minute of the game. But Lich offlane is kinda fun, with sacrifice and wards on top of pull camp on dire side i've managed to farm up my phase boots and totally troll enemy Mirana+Juggernaut

[Kjalar]

It's the same as freezing Bara as CM when he runs on you. You have to react quick, and be aware about possibility that Kao will appear from nearest cliff in boulderform to take your carry away. Just doom/silence him when he arrives and he is done. I've done it too much times as Drow and Crobelus and i know it's not hard (if he doesn't focus you, then everything is screwed)

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On mana cost i can say that they are justified for his int gain (it's the same as for Ogre Magi). His boulder costs like blink but can't be used the same way (if you collide with enemy you stop) all other skill cost more than 100 mana iirc. And he can't spam his skills without having big int items. I don't think that he can break past 600 mana on 11'th level, how is he supposed to spam skills?

Problem is, when he rolls at you, you're probably already stunned by the stone pull and can't do shit about it.
On mana cost - roll costs 50 and pull costs 75, other skills cost 100. It's dirt cheap considering arcanes and force staff.

[Lysah]

I like how everyone complained that there were 3 SKs and you never knew which one people were talking about, then the second Earth gets released people immediately just call him ES when we already got one

[Kjalar]

Because he's in every fucking game these days.

[Omertocracy]

Simple solution: Earth Shaker is ES, Earth Spirit is That Fucking Asshole. TFA for short.

[Lysah]

Except it's Earthshaker, so really, he should just be E, except that would be stupid, which means that Earth Spirit just has to be Earth. Why? Because the other two are Storm and Ember.