[Megathread] Star Citizen

[Gorsameth]

*surprise Pikachu*

[XDurionX]

Server meshing extended into 2023 https://robertsspaceindustries.com/i...8853/x1212.JPG

Strange way to spell "never".

[Proskill]

2022 was supposed to be the golden year of SC alpha

REEEEEEEEEEE

[Xeenith]

it's clearly missing a "... for now!" somewhere in the sentence !

[Yelmurc]

Server meshing extended into 2023 https://robertsspaceindustries.com/i...8853/x1212.JPG

This doesn't mean anything, they are working on static server meshing so they can release Pyro. They will still need to work on server meshing to get to the ultimate goal of dynamic server meshing after that. So this OMG server meshing pushed to 2023 is stupid. It just shows that they will work on server meshing, static and maybe dynamic till the end of the year since that's how far the schedule reaches. Guess what the progress tracker is a schedule for time features are being worked on. They will extend, stop and restart several times in some cases. It's just an internal schedule. Sorry to burst your CIG is the devil bubble. On this one you're just wrong.

[Thestrawman]

This doesn't mean anything, they are working on static server meshing so they can release Pyro. They will still need to work on server meshing to get to the ultimate goal of dynamic server meshing after that. So this OMG server meshing pushed to 2023 is stupid. It just shows that they will work on server meshing, static and maybe dynamic till the end of the year since that's how far the schedule reaches. Guess what the progress tracker is a schedule for time features are being worked on. They will extend, stop and restart several times in some cases. It's just an internal schedule. Sorry to burst your CIG is the devil bubble. On this one you're just wrong.

Kenn is that you dodging bans again?

[Yelmurc]

Kenn is that you dodging bans again?

Lol no, I just saw some wrong information being spread so I figured I'd make sure everyone knew how the progress tracker worked.

[Kyanion]

This doesn't mean anything, they are working on static server meshing so they can release Pyro. They will still need to work on server meshing to get to the ultimate goal of dynamic server meshing after that. So this OMG server meshing pushed to 2023 is stupid. It just shows that they will work on server meshing, static and maybe dynamic till the end of the year since that's how far the schedule reaches. Guess what the progress tracker is a schedule for time features are being worked on. They will extend, stop and restart several times in some cases. It's just an internal schedule. Sorry to burst your CIG is the devil bubble. On this one you're just wrong.

It doesn't mean anything? It means server meshing won't be in the game in 2022. I mean the reality is server meshing has been pushed back many times. But hey if you want to defend a company who lies to people that give them money, by all means. Die on that hill if you want.

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Lol no, I just saw some wrong information being spread so I figured I'd make sure everyone knew how the progress tracker worked.

Wrong information? Server meshing will not be in the game in 2022 as shown by their own roadmap. YOU are the one spreading wrong information if you believe something else.

[Yelmurc]

It doesn't mean anything? It means server meshing won't be in the game in 2022. I mean the reality is server meshing has been pushed back many times. But hey if you want to defend a company who lies to people that give them money, by all means. Die on that hill if you want.

The progress tracker going until 2023 does not mean part of server meshing will not be released in 2022, it just means they will be working on server meshing through the rest of the year. They only need static server meshing to be working for Pyro to be implemented. That does not show only static server meshing it shows all work on server meshing. Static server meshing may get pushed to 2023 but that progress tracker does not show or prove that.

[Edge-]

Static server meshing may get pushed to 2023 but that progress tracker does not show or prove that.

A lot of that is down to the fact that the roadmap has increasingly less and less use over time as CIG continues to miss dates and recently communicated that they were not sharing more detailed information about what's being worked on beyond the immediate next patch.

We're on our third version of the roadmap built from the ground up to be better, and it's still essentially as useless as the first version was. It's just been a big time sink with no actual value created for CIG or backers.

[Yelmurc]

A lot of that is down to the fact that the roadmap has increasingly less and less use over time as CIG continues to miss dates and recently communicated that they were not sharing more detailed information about what's being worked on beyond the immediate next patch.

We're on our third version of the roadmap built from the ground up to be better, and it's still essentially as useless as the first version was. It's just been a big time sink with no actual value created for CIG or backers.

I agree with this. I feel them showing the schedule leads people to believe the bar ending is when the feature is done. Which is usually never the case. If you want to see when a feature is complete the best way is when you see the downstream teams working on the deliverable. Its confusing to some so I an see the mix up. It would probably be better if they just surprised everyone with a patch every 3 months on the PTU and we learn about what's happening from that.

[Edge-]

I feel them showing the schedule leads people to believe the bar ending is when the feature is done. Which is usually never the case.

Yes and no. This is on them and how they structure/communicate around it, but also around the expectation that the "end" target for a feature on the roadmap is when it will be delivered. Will there be additional work on it? Absolutely, but that's when the tech/feature/content is ready to be shipped. If that's not what the end date denotes on the roadmap, then they have an even less valuable roadmap than already stated.

If you want to see when a feature is complete the best way is when you see the downstream teams working on the deliverable.

Is that on the roadmap separately? Because I didn't see it, and if it's not, then I wonder where you got his info from and/or why they wouldn't include this in the roadmap since this sounds like pretty big information, no?

It would probably be better if they just surprised everyone with a patch every 3 months on the PTU and we learn about what's happening from that.

They committed to an open, transparent development process. They signed up for this shit and it's way too late to back out now.

This is yet another instance of CIG putting themselves in between a rock and a hard place due to terrible planning and/or decisions.

[Kyanion]

The progress tracker going until 2023 does not mean part of server meshing will not be released in 2022, it just means they will be working on server meshing through the rest of the year. They only need static server meshing to be working for Pyro to be implemented. That does not show only static server meshing it shows all work on server meshing. Static server meshing may get pushed to 2023 but that progress tracker does not show or prove that.

That is your interpretation of what the roadmap means. Considering server meshing has been pushed back for how many years now leads me to believe it is not coming in 2022 (or 2023 for that matter.) You have not corrected any 'wrong information' as you so claimed.

[Mehrunes]

Server meshing extended into 2023 https://robertsspaceindustries.com/i...8853/x1212.JPG

What they forgot to mention is that it's 2023 of the yet to be announced calendar era that will be after AD.

[Yelmurc]

That is your interpretation of what the roadmap means. Considering server meshing has been pushed back for how many years now leads me to believe it is not coming in 2022 (or 2023 for that matter.) You have not corrected any 'wrong information' as you so claimed.

You claimed the progress tracker shows static server meshing is pushed to 2023. That is wrong, it does not show that. Which is wrong information at this moment. You can be wrong sometimes its ok, we all make mistakes.

[Edge-]

You claimed the progress tracker shows static server meshing is pushed to 2023. That is wrong, it does not show that. Which is wrong information at this moment. You can be wrong sometimes its ok, we all make mistakes.

It just shows it going until the end of the year and ends there, but it should be a fairly same assumption, based off their consistent inability to hit target delivery dates, that it will extend into 2023.

[Yelmurc]

Is that on the roadmap separately? Because I didn't see it, and if it's not, then I wonder where you got his info from and/or why they wouldn't include this in the roadmap since this sounds like pretty big information, no?

If you go on the progress tracker you can toggle between "Teams" and "Deliverables" If you look at the deliverables you can see when each team is working on on a specific item. So lets say a vehicles is being finished. You won't see audio and Visual Effects teams until its almost complete. This works on most content features. Lighting isn't going to touch an area until its mainly build.

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It just shows it going until the end of the year and ends there, but it should be a fairly same assumption, based off their consistent inability to hit target delivery dates, that it will extend into 2023.

Also its all of server meshing and not just static. He may be reading the progress tracker wrong, it's not totally his fault. And yes CIG is the see can kick it down the road company. So who knows when anything will come out. But it's not confirmed it is pushed to 2023. He is just making an assumption based on an incorrect reading of the progress tracker.

[Edge-]

If you go on the progress tracker you can toggle between "Teams" and "Deliverables" If you look at the deliverables you can see when each team is working on on a specific item. So lets say a vehicles is being finished. You won't see audio and Visual Effects teams until its almost complete. This works on most content features. Lighting isn't going to touch an area until its mainly build.

I am looking at the deliverable line for server meshing under persistent streaming tech, which extends to the end of 2022. The only thing they have going into 2023 (and barely, at that) is their "bug fix and tech debt" team, and I doubt they are remotely likely to meet the majority of those deliverable dates for 2022. Again, based on past performance.

[Kyanion]

You claimed the progress tracker shows static server meshing is pushed to 2023. That is wrong, it does not show that. Which is wrong information at this moment. You can be wrong sometimes its ok, we all make mistakes.

Ohhhh excuse me, the bar stops at around December 29 2022 give or take a day. How dare I round it to the next year.

Are you fucking kidding me?

Also its all of server meshing and not just static. He may be reading the progress tracker wrong, it's not totally his fault. And yes CIG is the see can kick it down the road company. So who knows when anything will come out. But it's not confirmed it is pushed to 2023. He is just making an assumption based on an incorrect reading of the progress tracker.

Dude get over yourself. If a bar goes to right before Jan 2023 what do you think it means? That server meshing is going to take up almost all of 2022. Not that I have any faith whatsoever in that company to meet those goals. Due not assume you know the 'correct reading of the progress tracker' either buddy.

[Edge-]

But it's not confirmed it is pushed to 2023. He is just making an assumption based on an incorrect reading of the progress tracker.

No, it's a safe assumption based off of CIG's consistent inability to meet deliverable dates, especially for anything forecast more than 3 months out from the current date.