Mega-Thread: Gun Control Thread

[Rukentuts]

Hey guys I heard we shouldn't make laws because some people might break them.

And the compelling retorts continue.

[Deleted]

They also show that murders decrease, drastically.

That has yet to be proven.

[Tinykong]

Because we all know that local (city) laws == Federal laws.

Do Federal laws have some sort of magic power that local laws do not to prevent criminals from using illegal guns to commit crimes?

[GreatOak]

You have six shots. And if you need to fire more than that you're fucked already.

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At least they're not dead.

Depends on the caliber and shot placement. It's completely plausible for someone to hit 2/6 shots and the intruder/assailant isn't down. If they can't reload or are out of ammo they're fucked. Two shots from a 9 to center mass isn't a guaranteed kill. I don't want to make it harder for good people to defend themselves. This isn't Hollywood.

[Rukentuts]

Do Federal laws have some sort of magic power that local laws do not to prevent criminals from using illegal guns to commit crimes?

Federal laws extend up to importing and exporting. Transporting across international and local lines is in no way comparable.

[rhandric]

Hey guys I heard we shouldn't make laws because some people might break them.

And the compelling retorts continue.

Considering the reason for making gun laws is to punish those who are already breaking the law, most proposed gun legislation is ridiculous.

[Rukentuts]

Depends on the caliber and shot placement. It's completely plausible for someone to hit 2/6 shots and the intruder/assailant isn't down. If they can't reload or are out of ammo they're fucked. Two shots from a 9 to center mass isn't a guaranteed kill. I don't want to make it harder for good people to defend themselves. This isn't Hollywood.

Why the fuck are we talking about killing in a defense post?

[Kellhound]

Not in Minnesota you can't.

Never lived there, never will either. My statement is true for here.

[Tinykong]

Hey guys I heard we shouldn't make laws because some people might break them.

Hey guys, lets further restrict Constitutional rights based on conjecture and paranoia, and go against statistics and evidence! Let's enact another 10 year "assault weapon" ban, just because it didn't work last time doesn't mean it won't work this time!

[Rukentuts]

Considering the reason for making gun laws is to punish those who are already breaking the law, most proposed gun legislation is ridiculous.

Most gun ownership is more ridiculous. Of course I'm just responding to your subjective opinion with my own.

[Payday]

Do Federal laws have some sort of magic power that local laws do not to prevent criminals from using illegal guns to commit crimes?

No but they help prevent local criminals from obtaining "illegal" guns legally. Obviously.

[Rukentuts]

Hey guys, lets further restrict Constitutional rights based on conjecture and paranoia, and go against statistics and evidence! Let's enact another 10 year "assault weapon" ban, just because it didn't work last time doesn't mean it won't work this time!

I see a 'well regulated' part, and I see an 'arms' part, but no part about guns.

[lockedout]

Hey guys I heard we shouldn't make laws because some people might break them.

And the compelling retorts continue.

When there is already a law in place why do we need another law about the same thing?

[Rukentuts]

Hey guys, lets further restrict Constitutional rights based on conjecture and paranoia, and go against statistics and evidence! Let's enact another 10 year "assault weapon" ban, just because it didn't work last time doesn't mean it won't work this time!

I thought paranoia was the core behind "defensive" gun ownership anyway.

[rhandric]

I see a 'well regulated' part, and I see an 'arms' part, but no part about guns.

And don't know that well-regulated is talking about training, not restrictions. Despite it coming up every...I dunno, 50-100 pages

[Tinykong]

No but they help prevent local criminals from obtaining "illegal" guns legally. Obviously.

How do they do this, exactly?

INB4 someone says "Dry up the supply, that'll fix it!"

...300 million guns are already in private hands.

[rhandric]

I thought paranoia was the core behind "defensive" gun ownership anyway.

I thought paranoia was the core behind gun control laws anyway.

[Rukentuts]

I thought paranoia was the core behind gun control laws anyway.

Yes because the rash of gun violence (there was only another school shooting today) is merely paranoia.

[GreatOak]

Why the fuck are we talking about killing in a defense post?

Because you don't shoot to injure

You don't shoot unless you expect to kill someone (I hope) or are prepared to do so.

[Deleted]

I thought paranoia was the core behind gun control laws anyway.

A small dose of paranoia is healthy.