Throne of Thunder - World First Heroic Thread!

[Spoiledkid]

Looks like Method killed Twin Consorts and Lei Shen in normal, so no 11/13 before the reset.

And Paragon killed Lei Shen in normal.

[Senen]

I think the main reason why people trashtalk the 10-man race is because there is no race. It's Paragon.
It would have been far more interesting if Vodka had turned to 10-man for T15 progress. And I really hope that Moonz will get better in order to have a proper race in T16 in 10HM too.

Even if 10HM and 25HM are different format, Paragon is one of the best guild (the best guild?) in the world. We want to see them compete. As long as they won't be competing with anyone in 10HM, we have to assume they compete with 25-man guilds. Even if it's wrong.

[Xjev]

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know killing a heroic boss after the hard enrage cast finishes is easy. Want me to go pull up some heroic rag kill videos and show you deaths? Oh wait, my bad, heroic rag was an easy boss.


Try 15:38.

And you know they did this with only 3 healers to have the required dps...

[Deleted]

I have nothing against Moonz but that they were able to kill Twins before any 25 man guild (BL/Method) mus tbe a small proof that it is an easier fight than on 25man.

[Vakna]

I have nothing against Moonz but that they were able to kill Twins before any 25 man guild (BL/Method) mus tbe a small proof that it is an easier fight than on 25man.

No one is arguing against that. It's a fact. Just like council heroic and 10m, can't make every boss equal.

[Deleted]

Even if 10HM and 25HM are different format, Paragon is one of the best guild (the best guild?) in the world. We want to see them compete. As long as they won't be competing with anyone in 10HM, we have to assume they compete with 25-man guilds. Even if it's wrong.

I like what he wrote and I feel he understands the psychology that drives this thread and all the arguing.

[Radalek]

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know killing a heroic boss after the hard enrage cast finishes is easy. Want me to go pull up some heroic rag kill videos and show you deaths? Oh wait, my bad, heroic rag was an easy boss.



Try 15:38.

Wow, someone died at 4-5% left when all the hardest part of the fight is behind them. Do you even realize they had to 3 heal THAT fight to meet dps requirement (especially for P3). And what amount of coordination of 25 people is needed through P4 till you deal with meteors. They needed 500 + tries. One person stands wrong in ice patch or moves you wipe. One person dies/lags/derps in P3 and you don't meet dps requirement and get 3rd set of meteors and wipe. One out of 25. Not to mention other parts of the fight. You just pulled out prime example of why fights like these scaled to 25 man are vastly harder.

[Deleted]

You just pulled out prime example of why fights like these scaled to 25 man are vastly harder.

Actually i was always jelly of 25M on this fight in particular because we had a way harder time extinguish all the fire and had to reset on every unlucky spawn (which wasn't to rarely). But i can't argue on the damage part, the dps requirements for 25M were always tuned way less forgiving, allowing 10M a noticeable easier time if they happened to have/bring the right roster.

[xiic]

Wow, someone died at 4-5% left when all the hardest part of the fight is behind them. Do you even realize they had to 3 heal THAT fight to meet dps requirement (especially for P3). And what amount of coordination of 25 people is needed through P4 till you deal with meteors. They needed 500 + tries. One person stands wrong in ice patch or moves you wipe. One person dies/lags/derps in P3 and you don't meet dps requirement and get 3rd set of meteors and wipe. One out of 25. Not to mention other parts of the fight. You just pulled out prime example of why fights like these scaled to 25 man are vastly harder.

I know, I killed the fight. My point still stands though, why don't you try 12:56 on that video when the boss is at 30%? Looks like you have a chip on your shoulder.

[Pandacally]

It would have been far more interesting if Vodka had turned to 10-man for T15 progress. And I really hope that Moonz will get better in order to have a proper race in T16 in 10HM too.

You know that Moonz will kick your ass any time and place? Stop being fucking ignorant Moonz has some incredible players and all of them could easily play in the top5 25m.

[Camnorick]

You know that Moonz will kick your ass any time and place? Stop being fucking ignorant Moonz has some incredible players and all of them could easily play in the top5 25m.

this thread took a wrong turn
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[Deleted]

Pretty sure "Interrupting Jolt" nerf at Dark Animus as applied 2 or maybe even 3 days ago.

[Deleted]

Wow, someone died at 4-5% left when all the hardest part of the fight is behind them. Do you even realize they had to 3 heal THAT fight to meet dps requirement (especially for P3). And what amount of coordination of 25 people is needed through P4 till you deal with meteors. They needed 500 + tries. One person stands wrong in ice patch or moves you wipe. One person dies/lags/derps in P3 and you don't meet dps requirement and get 3rd set of meteors and wipe. One out of 25. Not to mention other parts of the fight. You just pulled out prime example of why fights like these scaled to 25 man are vastly harder.

Get your head out of your ass, seriously. Some people don't care about 25man raiding, and some don't care about 10man raiding. Stop forcing your dumb opinion on others. And fyi, that would be equal to 1 healing 10man hc Rag, wich was impossible. Biiiiig healing check, a whole 3 healers lol. 10 man raiders call that 25man cheese, like you can cheese 99% of 25man fights these days, by mass pala, mass cd everything.

[xiic]

To be fair, we had our resto druid solo heal heroic rag 10 during current content.

[Deleted]

SHUT. THE. FUCK. UP.

Isnt there any moderation now when needed? All these kids crying with 10man vs 25man need a ban.

[Deleted]

I think the main reason why people trashtalk the 10-man race is because there is no race. It's Paragon.
It would have been far more interesting if Vodka had turned to 10-man for T15 progress. And I really hope that Moonz will get better in order to have a proper race in T16 in 10HM too.

Even if 10HM and 25HM are different format, Paragon is one of the best guild (the best guild?) in the world. We want to see them compete. As long as they won't be competing with anyone in 10HM, we have to assume they compete with 25-man guilds. Even if it's wrong.

There was no race even when Paragon was 25man. If they weren't banned they would have won every race in Cataclysm, far ahead of the rest.

[TyrianFC]

To be fair, we had our resto druid solo heal heroic rag 10 during current content.

That was essentially guilds just showing off long after they'd beaten the fight. (after hundreds of attempts and multiple kills). Nobody actually used a solo healer resto druid for their progression leading up to first kill. But yes - some guilds did go back and 1 heal it after - just for the sake of 1 healing it / showing off.

[scwasp]

Get your head out of your ass, seriously. Some people don't care about 25man raiding, and some don't care about 10man raiding. Stop forcing your dumb opinion on others. And fyi, that would be equal to 1 healing 10man hc Rag, wich was impossible. Biiiiig healing check, a whole 3 healers lol. 10 man raiders call that 25man cheese, like you can cheese 99% of 25man fights these days, by mass pala, mass cd everything.

You should go read paragons own statement about ragnaros 10 man vs 25 man.

[Deleted]

You should go read paragons own statement about ragnaros 10 man vs 25 man.

They had already done it on 25man before they did 10man, so of course it was much easier for them the second time.

[Deleted]

You should go read paragons own statement about ragnaros 10 man vs 25 man.

500 wipes later on 25man, lool brainless....