regretted my post :P
yeah that's what I said from the start..
I only really pointed out that there are 2 courts involved, for those who aren't familiar. The criminal court that handles the crime, and the immigration court. Of course assuming the criminal trial verdict results in guilty.After the verdict they likely open another trial at the immigration courts, and the citizenship gets revoked there and then.
Last edited by Wildtree; 2013-04-20 at 09:55 PM.
"The pen is mightier than the sword.. and considerably easier to write with."
What I see is that as a country we are just taking another step down the slippery slope of abandoning our rights and freedom in exchange for 'safety'. Sure the media narrative makes these guys look absolutely guilty, but the truth is the media could make a ham sandwich look guilty. Nobody here has first hand information, everyone assumes they know what happened because of blurry photos and what the government/media told you. To me it is a complete shame that after all the BS of the last decade the wider population still lines up like a bunch of jingoistic cattle doing their best imitation of Pavlov's dog.
Most people would rather die than think, and most people do. -Bertrand Russell
Before the camps, I regarded the existence of nationality as something that shouldn’t be noticed - nationality did not really exist, only humanity. But in the camps one learns: if you belong to a successful nation you are protected and you survive. If you are part of universal humanity - too bad for you -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
"The pen is mightier than the sword.. and considerably easier to write with."
I can say with confidence that the ppl were searched were happy to comply with the request. All I saw last night was the feeling of relief in their eyes from my perspective. I think your really focused on something that really is pretty strange considering the consequence of not being cooperative and vigilant citizens may have indangering their own lives.
Some of the pro-NDAA posters earlier who wanted him stripped of his citizenship ASAP - I thought you were agreeing that the government could legally do that, but would probably choose not to do so. (Of course, the Feds can try to do whatever they want with the whole enemy combatant/loss of citizenship thing, the only question is if the Supreme Court will let them.) And I do agree with you that the suggestion he be tried as an enemy combatant is probably just BS from senators McCain and Graham; if Obama says no, then he's "soft on terror" or some other BS. In the (unlikely) event he says yes, then he's "attacking your rights". (Although part of me is scared at the idea that they might actually mean what they're saying.)
Yes, it could be entirely possible that the brothers are stooges and everyone involved from the Law Enforcement to the Media to anyone who interacted recently with the brothers one way or another are plants.
Or maybe there's actually some decent evidence that these two are guilty or at least strongly related to the bombing and that everything that occured in the past 36 hours actually happened.
I mean, fuck, I've never been to Africa. At this point I guess I'm only accepting that it exists based on good faith. I've no actual proof of my own that says it exists.
Last edited by PickleballAce; 2013-04-20 at 10:10 PM.
The last thing you will see from me is jumping on the anti immigration wagon. I'm an immigrant too. I'd consider that enormously hypocrite. I don't defend criminal immigrants though, they are just hurting all immigrants. I defend the legal procedures, that apply to everyone living here. I think we are in agreement.
"The pen is mightier than the sword.. and considerably easier to write with."