41 year old man walks free as judge callls 13 year old a Predator

[Shadowmelded]

I see so much evidence of the successful brainwashing of our society to believe that all children are precious, perfect, innocent, never to be blamed, etc etc. It's a child fetish that our breeder culture can't seem to let go of.

Kids can be complete manipulative, scheming, lying, evil little shits, just like adults can. Children can be predators just as adults can.

Again, bravo to the judge.

Can be, but not necessarily are. Generally adults are far more proficient at it and have an advantage through experience. Although it looks like you're just soapboxing and not actually looking for discussion, otherwise you wouldn't be praising the judge so much in an attempt to antagonize people. Oh well....

[Caliph]

i find this thread amusing. Here we have the british exporting their filth all over the world and telling others what's morally right and wrong and at home they're allowing child rapists to go free.

lol, and they're commenting on other nations norms and practices.

[xinjun]

No, not really. There is nothing to gain from something like that other than a distraction.

The point seems like a pretty good one to me. Age of consent is a modern societal construct and is arbitrary.

[Pengalor]

you realize all you people screaming about "age of consent" is because some people at some point just basically picked a random number and made it that age

what if the age of consent had been decided at 10, you'd grow up thinking that age was acceptable

Indeed. I don't have a definite answer, I'm not sure if there is one, but it's always been my opinion that 18 (here in america) is such an arbitrary number and I can't for the life of me figure out what they based it on. The person is in the middle of growing, not finished developing physically, not finished developing mentally. I mean, 16 seems like a much more reasonable age and it could very well go as low as 13 or 14. Honestly, I'd be fine with a high standard aoc if cases were taken on a case by case basis and there was no stigma. Might be hard for some people to believe but not all men who have sex with a minor are evil or manipulative and not all female minors are angels and pillars of virtue (in fact, in my experience its quite the opposite). Is it necessarily a smart decision to be over aoc and sleep with someone under it? Not necessarily but I don't think every one of them should be villified either since sometimes they truly are in love and sometimes it's just a natural sexual attraction that creates no harm until someone starts trying to drill in their head that it must be something wrong and dirty.

[AndaliteBandit]

Where the heck did I ever say the adult shouldnt be be held responsible at all? The buck ends at him. He knows better, and should be punished accordingly.

The child is not held responsible because legally he or she cannot consent to sex.

There are just some things children cannot legally do, such as sign a legally binding contract in the absence of a parent or legal guardian, enlist in the military, drive, purchase alcohol or cigarettes, claim another child as a dependent, or consent to sex.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

The point seems like a pretty good one to me. Age of consent is a modern societal construct and is arbitrary.

It's not arbitrary at all. It's very valid. Also if we're going to get technical, our way of life has a bunch of societal constructs so it's arbitrary so who cares. Really, it's a stupid argument and really is stupid.

[Crissi]

Indeed. I don't have a definite answer, I'm not sure if there is one, but it's always been my opinion that 18 (here in america) is such an arbitrary number and I can't for the life of me figure out what they based it on. The person is in the middle of growing, not finished developing physically, not finished developing mentally. I mean, 16 seems like a much more reasonable age and it could very well go as low as 13 or 14. Honestly, I'd be fine with a high standard aoc if cases were taken on a case by case basis and there was no stigma. Might be hard for some people to believe but not all men who have sex with a minor are evil or manipulative and not all female minors are angels and pillars of virtue (in fact, in my experience its quite the opposite). Is it necessarily a smart decision to be over aoc and sleep with someone under it? Not necessarily but I don't think every one of them should be villified either since sometimes they truly are in love and sometimes it's just a natural sexual attraction that creates no harm until someone starts trying to drill in their head that it must be something wrong and dirty.

If Johnny Manziel has taught us anything, its that you can still be/ act like a kid mentally even after you're past 18. Maturity is flexable, it really has no definitive age, but considering that would cause a clusterf of confusion in regards to our laws, I guess they juet went "18 sounds good, theyre in college anyways"

[xinjun]

The child is not held responsible because legally he or she cannot consent to sex.

There are just some things children cannot legally do, such as sign a legally binding contract in the absence of a parent or legal guardian, enlist in the military, drive, purchase alcohol or cigarettes, claim another child as a dependent, or consent to sex.

No one is arguing that this is not the law.

[Sorrior]

Please, it's this kind of inane nonsense that lowers the standard of discussion. How is what a comedian says in any way relevant? He's not peer reviewed and hasn't preformed any research on the matter, he's just making light of a social issue to get laughs, usually with the intent of being as outrageous or as controversial as possible.

And yet simple observations like that OFTEN tell FAR more then even well reviewed research..Also in this area research is often biased even unintentionally from the get go. Also comedy can and is often used to describe and point out things in a way that is often better and more insightful then the most serious of points..But i guess truth in comedy/fantasy is indeed becoming a lost ability.

[Lovecrafts]

Can be, but not necessarily are. Generally adults are far more proficient at it and have an advantage through experience. Although it looks like you're just soapboxing and not actually looking for discussion, otherwise you wouldn't be praising the judge so much in an attempt to antagonize people. Oh well....

Boy you sure are full of assumptions, didn't like my opinion? I'm sorry. I'm tossing it out there as my legitimate opinion. The kid was a predator, the judge saw through it, and people need to wake up and realize what little shits kids can be/are.

[xinjun]

It's not arbitrary at all. It's very valid. Also if we're going to get technical, our way of life has a bunch of societal constructs so it's arbitrary so who cares. Really, it's a stupid argument and really is stupid.

Indeed it is arbitrary. And yes, society does. And I will argue them all

[Crissi]

The child is not held responsible because legally he or she cannot consent to sex.

There are just some things children cannot legally do, such as sign a legally binding contract in the absence of a parent or legal guardian, enlist in the military, drive, purchase alcohol or cigarettes, claim another child as a dependent, or consent to sex.

well of course they aren't LEGALLY responsible, but she clearly needs to be punished or straightened out in some fashion outside of that. However, 13 is clearly an age where you know right and wrong, else we wouldn't be incarcerating them when they steal, kill, whatever.

[Sorrior]

It's not about protecting "slower" ones... kids who are sexually mature at that age shouldn't be having sex with adults, period.

The problem is that our biology says one thing in many cases and the alw another..Last i checked we can't tell nature to do what we want so maybe we should learn to respect our natural impulses more.

[Pengalor]

If Johnny Manziel has taught us anything, its that you can still be/ act like a kid mentally even after you're past 18. Maturity is flexable, it really has no definitive age, but considering that would cause a clusterf of confusion in regards to our laws, I guess they juet went "18 sounds good, theyre in college anyways"

Most likely. I definitely understand the reason they try to go with a blanket age too (especially with how backed up our court systems are) but I still think it could do with at least a little bit of lowering. Most states are pretty good about it and put it at about 16 which I think is fair.

[AndaliteBandit]

The child is not held responsible because legally he or she cannot consent to sex.

There are just some things children cannot legally do, such as sign a legally binding contract in the absence of a parent or legal guardian, enlist in the military, drive, purchase alcohol or cigarettes, claim another child as a dependent, or consent to sex.

No one is arguing that this is not the law.

They're arguing that age of consent shouldn't exist.

Why then, can a child not do those other things?

The consumption of alcohol or the smoking of cigarettes can lead to long-term adverse health effects. Sex can lead to the transmission of disease or pregnancy. Why is a child incapable of acknowledging the ramifications of cigarettes or alcohol, but "if she's old enough to bleed, she's old enough to breed"?

[xinjun]

Because the same people set up all those laws.

[Sorrior]

7 and 8 year olds seek sex at times... are they ready for it? What you're saying is ridiculous.

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There's plenty of mental damage that can happen when you're having sex with an adult at a young age. Not to mention the fact that it's very easy for kids to be groomed and manipulated.

Actually i did in some ways around that age..Even more then as a teen..Even fell in love for the first time(looking back as an adult it WAS love). I think people underestimate such things..But yes 8 and 9 are rather low.

And plenty of mental damage can happen from waiting too long which these laws encourage also what about those who are naturally attracted to older men? Are they all of sudden wrong for having natural impulses that could criminalize someone?

[The soulless]

Ok reading though these replies i see a lot of well just card her well i think everyone should look back a bit and see Traci Lords who started as a porn actress at age of 16. Her fake ID was so good that even the companies that made the moives of her we let off on the charges of child porn because the id was that good in fact it was issues by a state forget which one off the top of my head. Carding the girl you are dating does not work really and is awkward to say the least taking her to a bar or something that does the carding for you is better though not fool proof.

[AndaliteBandit]

well of course they aren't LEGALLY responsible, but she clearly needs to be punished or straightened out in some fashion outside of that. However, 13 is clearly an age where you know right and wrong, else we wouldn't be incarcerating them when they steal, kill, whatever.

No, because she didn't have a legal responsibility she failed to fulfill.

She has a legal responsibility to not steal, to not kill. She does not have a legal responsibility to not have sex; she cannot consent to sex.

[Shadowmelded]

Boy you sure are full of assumptions, didn't like my opinion? I'm sorry. I'm tossing it out there as my legitimate opinion. The kid was a predator, the judge saw through it, and people need to wake up and realize what little shits kids can be/are.

It may be your opinion but it has zero legal standing. She was incapable of giving consent, she cannot be complicit in her own abuse. Just because kids can be precocious doesn't mean that they all are, it's kind of the definition of the word. Now if you're of the opinion that kids are in fact capable of consent prior to the ages of 16, and not just a few but a big enough majority to warrant a change in the age of consent, then please state your fact based and well reasoned case, until then, jamming your fingers in your ears and going 'lalala this girl deserved it, well done judge' is just inflammatory.

Ok reading though these replies i see a lot of well just card her well i think everyone should look back a bit and see Traci Lords who started as a porn actress at age of 16. Her fake ID was so good that even the companies that made the moives of her we let off on the charges of child porn because the id was that good in fact it was issues by a state forget which one off the top of my head. Carding the girl you are dating does not work really and is awkward to say the least taking her to a bar or something that does the carding for you is better though not fool proof.

The adult in that situation has a defense of not being able to give informed consent because he was not fully aware of the situation due to the deception on the part of the minor. Please stop trying to make it out to be a common occurrence.