All I know is if there is a tinker class, the tank spec at the very least needs to involve shredders and spider tank suits to use.
and the theme song will be
All I know is if there is a tinker class, the tank spec at the very least needs to involve shredders and spider tank suits to use.
and the theme song will be
You're getting exactly what you deserve.
.... I don't know how you comes to that consclusion... The evidence is Blizzard always making a class base on WC3 and there are a lot of WC3's heroes left. Evidence is something you use to prove "fact". Blizz also has never stated that they will follow this pattern. They broke all kinds of pattern before. What you are doing is speculating not proving.
Can you take the tanks before Mimiron out of Ulduar? Use them to fight a boss? No? Didn't think so.
Oh wait, any class can use totems! They'd better get right on taking totem spells away from shamans, seems like a major oversight to me.
Didn't you read my first post in this thread? Every other WC3 hero already has their abilities tied in with WoW classes. The only two that don't are the Goblin Tinker and the Goblin Alchemist. So no, there are only two WC3 heroes left. Both are goblin, and both are heavily technology based.
The last two hero units that were in a similar situation were the Death Knight, and the Pandaren Brewmaster. It stands to reason that Blizzard will continue pulling from the same source it pulled its previous two expansion classes from.
Keep in mind, you just wanted evidence, not confirmation. The fact of the matter is that there's plenty of evidence that the next class will be the Tinker. Saying that there is no evidence is a bold-faced lie.
I did and it didn't prove anything. Blizzard could always come up with something new and only use the theme. I am not denying the possibility of tinker here but I am pointing out that you have no evidence that Tinker is going to be the next class and you are not proving it. You are SPECULATING it base on WoW's history of development.
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I did and it didn't prove anything. Blizzard could always come up with something new and only use the theme. I am not denying the possibility of tinker here but I am pointing out that you have no evidence that Tinker is going to be the next class and you are not proving it. You are SPECULATING it base on WoW's history of development.
That was never my core argument. My core argument has always been that Blizzard pulls classes from WC3 heroes. The last hero units are the Tinker and the Alchemist. Thus, the next (possibly final) WoW will be a Tinker/technology class.
Or Blizzard could just make Marksmanship the petless Hunter spec. Suddenly the entire purpose of Rangers is negated.Petless Ranged DPS class. Like it or not, if Blizzard can create differences between Paladins, Warriors and DKs, they can do the same with Hunters and Rangers. Hunters use a Pet while Rangers do not is a big difference between Warriors and DKs, for example,
First off, no class is going to have a "policeman" theme, because a theme like that doesn't work in the game. What are they going to do? Handcuff the boss after they beat him and take him to prison? Simply nonsense.In that they share a couple of moves. However, Rogues don't have the Spirit of Vengeance, nor the Warden "policeman" theme, nr do they share the look. Your theory that Rogues COULD get SoV later doesn't negate the fact they don't have it now....and, like Meta...its the one move that should be pat of the class.
As for Rogues not having SoV, that's pretty irrelevant. Shaman don't have Big Bad Voodoo, but no ones going to create a Shadow Hunter class based around that one single ability. Logically, the best place for a Warden's playstyle to end up is in the Rogue class.
I'm opposing Wardens because they're simply Rogues with a NELF backstory. Strip away the chasing Illidan theme, and you have a Rogue with Shadow powers. Heck, they already got Fan of Knives, and numerous Shadow Strike equivalents. Also Blizzard wants to rework the class next expansion. Do you honestly think they're not going to keep pulling from the Warden concept?And all three are plate wearing melee hybrids with a similar weapon set. You are opposing Wardens because they'll be a mail wearing class that uses physical ranged weaponry.
You never saw Mantracker?The Hunter archetype is that of outdoorsman and survivalist. The Bounty Hunter theme doesn't really cross into that. Grizzly Adams doesn't have a lot of thematic crossover with Boba Fett. Its seen as the Ranged weapon specialist in game only because there is no other ranged combat class in game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pklo4kSwOmE
An outdoorsman, and a survivalist who also tracks people. He's a former bounty hunter too.
What do you think Hunters use track humanoids for?
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WoW's history of development (and everything else I listed earlier) IS the evidence.
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Nope. Engineering creates items to sell on the auction house. A Tinker class uses abilities and skills to perform a role (Tank/DPS/Healing). The two wouldn't conflict at all.
GC just had some more to say on the class:
So again, nothing ruled out, but nothing ruled in either.Greg Street @Ghostcrawler 1h
@NathanielCraver I've said before it depends on the treatment. Too easy for that class to be too wacky or precious.
Greg Street @Ghostcrawler 1h
@NathanielCraver A more steampunk vibe sounds cool to me. A dude in a mech having misfires that poop out springs and gears less so.
Greg Street @Ghostcrawler 1h
@NathanielCraver I don't know. Lucca from Chrono Trigger could work. A little bit of gnomish (tee hee) world enlarger goes a long way IMO.
Greg Street @Ghostcrawler 1h
@NathanielCraver But maybe one of the designers will come up with a pitch perfect design that blows us away someday. Shrug.
Lucca isn't anything like the Warcraft 3 unit.
This pretty clearly shows it hasnt been thought about. You're reaching for stuff that isnt there.
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Nice try. It's an if. If its being speculated, it's an if.
Serious question. Why do tinkerbells feel that adding tinker mobs is a hint to a tinker class.. There were wardens added in cata. Lots of Dhs in bc. There are tinkers literally every xpac added.
Yet she is like the Gnomish and Goblin Tinker enemies we've faced in the Brawler's Guild and elsewhere.
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Where in any of those tweets does it clearly show that? Again, GC wouldn't be able to confirm regardless.
If you can find a better future class candidate that is tied to Warcraft, and doesn't overlap with existing classes, I'd love to see it.Nice try. It's an if. If its being speculated, it's an if.
The way hes answering questions, it might be too whimsical, depends on how its implemented, someday maybe a developer. It's gcs way of saying its a stupid fucking idea. Hes obliged not to deny, but hes pretty damn close.
And that timewalker concept beat the shit out of the tinker class. And a ranged wc3 priestess with a different name. Dark ranger/sea witch/priestess of the moon ranger.
I think GC saying he's cool with a technology class in the game is saying a great deal.
You guys didn't check out what he said about Bards and Demon Hunters? He outright ruled them both out. In this he's saying it works out just fine as long as its taken seriously as a concept.
He also didn't mention an Engineering overlap one single time.
No, he did not. At least not about Demon Hunters, I don't know about Bards. In fact, in this tweet you people claim is him ruling out demon hunters, he just asks what design room there is. That's actually less damning than "But maybe one of the designers will come up with a pitch perfect design that blows us away someday. Shrug." or "I've said before it depends on the treatment. Too easy for that class to be too wacky or precious."
And by the way, "A little bit of gnomish (tee hee) world enlarger goes a long way IMO" IS mentioning the overlap with the engineering profession.
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Now who's reaching for stuff that's not there?
Timewalkers (and dragonsworn in general) have too much overlap with Mages. Also the fact that Mages got Timelord armor kind of backs that up.And that timewalker concept beat the shit out of the tinker class. And a ranged wc3 priestess with a different name. Dark ranger/sea witch/priestess of the moon ranger.
Ranged magic users would be pretty hard to pull off since there aren't any INT-based bows/xbows/guns in the game. Also that whole overlap with numerous classes in the game;
Sea Witch: Mage/Hunter
PotM: Hunter/Druid
Dark Ranger: Hunter/Death Knights.
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I find it amazing that people still can't figure that Demon Hunter tweet out. You do understand that when GC asks a player if there's enough design space for a DH class, he's in fact saying that there's no design space for the DH class? He even goes on to mention the classes that take the DHs design space away.
Unbelievable.