[Movie/TV/Comic] Marvel Cinematic Universe: A place to talk all things Marvel

[Immitis]

That's the real problem with these universes, you can't kill anybody significant.

its nothing to do with universes. this is true of all movies and tv shows for the most part.

theres a reason why shows like game of thrones or movies where the bad guys win are so surprising and outside of the norm.

main and popular characters just dont die in movies and tv shows. no matter what danger presents itself to the main protaganist 99% of the time they overcome it and beat the bad guy

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doesnt matter. He isn't the human torch. It's just them trying to appease people.

Actually Jordan is one of the Director's favourite actors who he's worked with before. It was actually a pretty raceblind casting. If anything I'm disappointed they came up with a contrived adoption story instead of making Sue black as well.

[Immitis]

Please tell me that image isn't from the comics. What's with that dialogue? From what else I've seen Fem Thor is just a sjw jizzfest.

Also, black Peter Parker? Why not just make him Miles then? What the fuck?

"Sales data from comic book distributors across North America, including Diamond Comic Distributors, shows that the first issue of Thor Vol 4 sold 150,862 copies, a 36% increase over God of Thunder #1 at 110,442 copies. This trend continues across the follow four issues of each series, female Thor up by roughly 30%,"

[Arrowstormen]

its nothing to do with universes. this is true of all movies and tv shows for the most part.

theres a reason why shows like game of thrones or movies where the bad guys win are so surprising and outside of the norm.

main and popular characters just dont die in movies and tv shows. no matter what danger presents itself to the main protaganist 99% of the time they overcome it and beat the bad guy

It just becomes more noticeable the bigger and longer the franchise is. A single movie can go anywhere and do anything because there's no need for a continuation. Even a franchise can move the status quo quite a bit from movie to movie. For universes that consist of multiple franchises, villains pop up and are defeated, with little effect on the coming movies. A certain repetition sets in, and the individual movies can hardly move the world's status quo. There's often not big consequences or changes for the characters either, no losing a hand or something. It becomes worse by the fact that all the MCU films, besides GotG, has a pretty similar feel and vibe to them.

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Way too meta comics are way too meta.

[Kelimbror]

you say it has nothing to do with what you commented on, which was his/her dislike of Female Thor

That's not what was expressed nor was it what I was referring to. Feel free to dislike it all day long. Classifying misogyny as 'colorful language' is why you don't understand what is going on here. Contribute to make things better. Don't perpetuate immaturity. Anyways....back to the regular theme of the thread before random drive by drama posts.

Welcome back Immitis. I hope everything is ok.

[purebalance]

Leaving FemThor out of this for a moment, I don't read the comics so I don't know anything about that, movies are different to comic's. I'd much rather they cast a good actor, and Michael B Jordan is a good actor, in the role, regardless of race, especially when it can be explained away with something as simple as them being stepbrother/sister.

I didn't see anyone kicking off when Bolivar Trask was being played by Peter Dinklage in Days of Future Past.

Being a little person doesn't make him unable to be someone's brother of normal stature. And a black Johnny Storm which probably isn't his name in the movie since I dont think they are even doing the brother sister thing, just isn't Johnny Storm. It's really more of a racist thing to feel the need to change someone from the comics. Meh we need a black guy for it to be cool and pc! Yeah no.

Can you imagine the uproar if we recast Cyborg as a white guy? Or hell let's change Luke Cage to a white guy. Even better let's turn some female iconic super heroes into men and see the uproar.

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Also in reference to that comic, modern feminists are a 4 letter word so really the whole female Thor is 100% proving itself wrong in a statement it's trying to use to prove itself right. Kinda funny. Women are equal in the law in America so feminism is simply now the advancement of females ahead of everyone else.

[Arrowstormen]

Being a little person doesn't make him unable to be someone's brother of normal stature. And a black Johnny Storm which probably isn't his name in the movie since I dont think they are even doing the brother sister thing, just isn't Johnny Storm. It's really more of a racist thing to feel the need to change someone from the comics. Meh we need a black guy for it to be cool and pc! Yeah no.

So you're saying you can't have practically the same brother-sister bond if one of them is adopted?

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Being a little person doesn't make him unable to be someone's brother of normal stature. And a black Johnny Storm which probably isn't his name in the movie since I dont think they are even doing the brother sister thing, just isn't Johnny Storm. It's really more of a racist thing to feel the need to change someone from the comics. Meh we need a black guy for it to be cool and pc! Yeah no.

Can you imagine the uproar if we recast Cyborg as a white guy? Or hell let's change Luke Cage to a white guy. Even better let's turn some female iconic super heroes into men and see the uproar.

That's a completely false equivalence though. Historically superheroes have just been white guys by default. It's never been significant for a superhero to be white. But ethnic minority superheroes have been iconic because they provide representation to an under-represented and oppressed group. It's a vital part of the character's identity, even if only in a meta sense. The same can rarely, if ever be said for a white super hero. There is nothing special about Johnny Storm's race. Compare that to Falcon for example - he was the first African American superhero in mainstream comics, that's a huge achievement and changing his race in an adaptation spits all over that.

Also in reference to that comic, modern feminists are a 4 letter word so really the whole female Thor is 100% proving itself wrong in a statement it's trying to use to prove itself right. Kinda funny. Women are equal in the law in America so feminism is simply now the advancement of females ahead of everyone else.

The law isn't everything. Case in point - no one's coming to arrest you right now.

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On a related note - Katheryn Winnick for Fem!Thor?

[Immitis]

That's a completely false equivalence though. Historically superheroes have just been white guys by default. It's never been significant for a superhero to be white. But ethnic minority superheroes have been iconic because they provide representation to an under-represented and oppressed group. It's a vital part of the character's identity, even if only in a meta sense. The same can rarely, if ever be said for a white super hero. There is nothing special about Johnny Storm's race. Compare that to Falcon for example - he was the first African American superhero in mainstream comics, that's a huge achievement and changing his race in an adaptation spits all over that.



The law isn't everything. Case in point - no one's coming to arrest you right now.

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On a related note - Katheryn Winnick for Fem!Thor?

yes please

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yes please

She's even said she'd like to do it: http://www.etcanada.com/blogs/etc_10...oman/comiccon/

" ET Canada caught up with the "Vikings" star at Comic-Con and got her reaction to the fans casting thoughts. "Awesome!," Winnick told Rick Campanelli. "I would love to, are you kidding me? I would absolutely love to play her, so yea, let's do it!" "

[purebalance]

That's a completely false equivalence though. Historically superheroes have just been white guys by default. It's never been significant for a superhero to be white. But ethnic minority superheroes have been iconic because they provide representation to an under-represented and oppressed group. It's a vital part of the character's identity, even if only in a meta sense. The same can rarely, if ever be said for a white super hero. There is nothing special about Johnny Storm's race. Compare that to Falcon for example - he was the first African American superhero in mainstream comics, that's a huge achievement and changing his race in an adaptation spits all over that.



The law isn't everything. Case in point - no one's coming to arrest you right now.

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On a related note - Katheryn Winnick for Fem!Thor?

Your law reference makes absolutely no sense. Is the law coming to arrest women randomly? No? Did I break the law? No. Feminism is not needed in America. You want to make a Middle Eastern female superhero? Go right ahead they are actually oppressed there. You're probably one of those people who believe there is a wage gap.

And weird in a what used to be white dominated country we had mostly white superheroes??!?!?! what?!?! shocking i know. I guess I should go over to Mexico and force them to have chinese superheroes in Mexico.

[Anastacy]

As a fervent Scarlet Witch fan, I am very pleased that I only have 12 more days to watch her appear on-screen and kick some ass.

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Being a little person doesn't make him unable to be someone's brother of normal stature. And a black Johnny Storm which probably isn't his name in the movie since I dont think they are even doing the brother sister thing, just isn't Johnny Storm. It's really more of a racist thing to feel the need to change someone from the comics. Meh we need a black guy for it to be cool and pc! Yeah no.

Can you imagine the uproar if we recast Cyborg as a white guy? Or hell let's change Luke Cage to a white guy. Even better let's turn some female iconic super heroes into men and see the uproar.

My point was that physically Bolivar Trask is different in the movies than he is in the comics. Is being white a huge part of Johnny Storms character? Will he be any less Johnny Storm because he's black now? No. The only people who see a problem are people looking for a problem. Johnny Storm is still Johnny Storm in the the new Fantastic 4 movie, i'm not sure there exact relationship, but seeing as how there dad in the movie is going to be black, it could be pretty much anything.

As for the whole "it's more racist to cast a black guy just cos", we dealt with this shit back when Idris Elba was cast as Heimdall, and when Sam Jackson was cast as Nick Fury (yes yes I know Ultimate blah blah it still happened), do we have to go through it every damn time we get a change like this? Could it possibly be because they are good actors and race has little to do with the characters motivations/story?

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Your law reference makes absolutely no sense. Is the law coming to arrest women randomly? No? Did I break the law? No. Feminism is not needed in America. You want to make a Middle Eastern female superhero? Go right ahead they are actually oppressed there. You're probably one of those people who believe there is a wage gap.

And weird in a what used to be white dominated country we had mostly white superheroes??!?!?! what?!?! shocking i know. I guess I should go over to Mexico and force them to have chinese superheroes in Mexico.

My point was that you're being a bit of a dick about women's rights and yet no one is coming to arrest you. Clearly the law isn't the only factor in equal rights. The law cannot forbid people from having implicit biases or from being assholes.

The USA has always been a racially diverse nation, and comics target an international audience. It is disingenous to say that the predominance of white superheroes was simply due to much of the population being white. The scars of racism are clearly visible in comics. Racial segregation was still being enforced in American at the start of Marvel comics - that and the other symptoms of endemic racism is why all the heroes where initially white. And that still has a knock on effect to this day, because naturally comic book fans are reluctant to accept new comers regardless of race. The old timers will almost always be the favourites. Even after 40 years Falcon has not managed to surpass Captain America in popularity.

[Zoaric]

Anywho!

Seems Chris Evans is open to staying with Marvel after his contract is up.

I think it’s almost like high school. You’re kind of always looking ahead, about when you’ll graduate, but then when graduation day arrives you kind of don’t wanna leave. So I wouldn't be surprised if, once we wrap ‘Infinity Wars’… I am gonna try and focus on directing a bit more, but by no means am I done acting. And if they’d have me back, yeah, I’d probably consider it.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Chris...ght-70949.html

The AoS are going after Struker.
https://youtu.be/-Ez-CLB5Dc8

Two writers are being eyed to do Captain Marvel.

Nicole Perlman, who co-wrote the hugely popular Guardians of the Galaxy, and Meg LeFauve, best known for co-writing the much anticipated Pixar feature Inside Out, are currently in talks to collaborate on the screenplay for this comic book flick.

http://www.stack.com/2015/04/16/marv...e&ici=Latest_6

According to a guy at Bleeding Cool, his sources inside Marvel say that the Defenders
cast will show up in Infinity War Part II.

[Arrowstormen]

According to a guy at Bleeding Cool, his sources inside Marvel say that the Defenders
cast will show up in Infinity War Part II.

Far as I know, they wanna keep it fairly separate. And really, Daredevil has no business on the Infinity War level.

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Far as I know, they wanna keep it fairly separate. And really, Daredevil has no business on the Infinity War level.

If the rumours are true about the TV side of things spearheading the Inhumans, and with them having a movie already confirmed, I could see the Defenders popping in for a cameo in IW Part 2.

If it's another invasion, I doubt they'd just sit it out.

[Ausr]

Anywho!

Seems Chris Evans is open to staying with Marvel after his contract is up.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Chris...ght-70949.html

The AoS are going after Struker.
https://youtu.be/-Ez-CLB5Dc8

Two writers are being eyed to do Captain Marvel.

http://www.stack.com/2015/04/16/marv...e&ici=Latest_6

According to a guy at Bleeding Cool, his sources inside Marvel say that the Defenders
cast will show up in Infinity War Part II.

Probably one of the best news regarding Evans staying on for more Captain. /praise

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Probably one of the best news regarding Evans staying on for more Captain. /praise

Got a feeling if he does stick around it won't be as Cap, I think Bucky taking over as him is pretty much set in stone. I could see them swapping Cap being killed to get crippled or some such, and have him come back for cameo's in a few of the movies.

[Immitis]

Probably one of the best news regarding Evans staying on for more Captain. /praise

whether he stays on or not hes made it pretty clear he atleast would like a break. im pretty confident we will have someone else as captain america, atleast a little while.