Which Warlock could resists to sig this very true Statement ?
Anyways, OT - my personal experience from the first couple of raid days says we are in an ok spot with only 2-3 classes (that are obviously OP) ahead of us. I do believe however we will need and get some attention during the overall balancing. I also believe it's ok to voice that concern on the official Forums.
If a class is performing poorly relative to others in an idealized test, the discrepancies are going to get worse when you add other mechanics to the fight. Magical ranged DPS bleed insane amounts of damage every time they have to move in Butcher or Tectus, even the small movement phases for Kargath really hurt Mages, Locks, Priests, and Moonkin.
Well, this then should be true as i stated before, for all classes, and also that all classes then of worse people should be around the same for all classes. Also I remember it as blizzard saying that they do not balance around the top players but around the avg player.. Also within the top guilds ALL classes will have players then preforming better.. not just locks..
Also taken the top players you will have a smaller data set.. You'll need a lot bigger data set than for example the top 20 guilds to say anything about class balance.. this is simply the case for all players..
If you really should talk about balance you should have a sample of all skill levels lower, middle and higher skill levels. This would show the most "true" picture of how the classes are balanced. simple data handling method.
but as rvd1ofakind said, his data was from the current top 200 players, within the top 200 players you should still get a picture within a more the current players within probally same skill level. This tho is imo too small a data set to have a true data set.
When I see how much some specs were buffed, and especially how little MM and WW were nerfed, I am pretty surprised Warlocks went untouched. Hunters and Monks were a long, long way ahead of the pack and ~5% nerf is fuck all. Rets and Glads didn't even get touched O.o
I honestly hope that every bleeding edge guild does Mythic with every class except warlock. I know I wouldn't judge them. Maybe then Blizz would notice. Then again....
No, Warlocks are fine in the average, which is something you can easily see, that's my point.
I don't know what is going on with hidden logs since as you say, I indeed can't see them.
At best your claim can be that warlocks are not truly exceptionally excelling in any fight to the grade of Rets or Monks, which is true, but that does not mean that Warlocks are bad as the OP claims, but merely that the said Monks and Rets are overtuned or simply fit the encounter design like a glove.
Which brings me to my seconds point... nerf monks!
I wish to reiterate, much of the perceived issues are coming from how disgustingly good a couple of specs are.
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Warlocks and DKs ARE awful on single target. Rogues are bad too. Every other class is pretty much equal on single target.
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If this is true, then how do you explain this?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...t=90&boss=1706
We just have to accept that Blizz want melee to be top dog at the moment, hunters included as they class them as ranged melee. They also seem to be scared of letting locks anywhere near the top after we dominated for so long. Yes it does indeed suck, but we have to ride it out and wait for our day again, which I'm sure will come with more gear later in the expansion.
people keep saying that warlocks are about Averagge.. i don't get your conclusion.. Because we're not in the middle..
look at what I or rvd1ofakind posted.. pretty much any other class got another option which is higher.. even more with the recent buffs..
It's all the Warlocks speccs which are low.. we do not have any kinda options to take another specc which does higher..
Let's take hunters.. while BM and surv are low, MM is really strong.. So you can disregard their position, since pretty much every hunter now play MM.
The same goes for for example Warriors. This then put warlocks below the middle pack..
Also what annoyes me that in MoP melee were screaming for balance, but now that they are ahead they then say "thats fine after how melee out preformed melee in mop" That ain't balance.. thats just chaning whoes more powerfull atm.. i want balance not that just another class preforming really high..
Warlocks have to shuffle between all 3 specs to perform below averag on all fights. This sets quite a gearing requirement for us. Other classes outperform us by miles with single specs, meaning they need one set of gear, and to learn one spec to perform better than us. DKs and rogues are basically the only classes that do somewhat similar single target DPS, everyone else outperforms us. I don't care about average, I care about the top, since that is where you can aim to get, and if our top dps is much lower than other classes' top, we get benched, with good reason.
I guess my point is that if ele shammies and frost mages get buffed, then so should we, because we were very close to them before.
It's like they see other classes with 1 spec being king and the others being rettible and they think warlocks are ok because all their specs are equaly bellow average