Unholy Trinkets 6.2.3?

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Hi All,

With the upcomming ilvl upgrades to HFC gear, what trinkets do you think will reign supreme for Unholy ST BOS? Specifically the question is will a 746 EDH or 736 Pebble be more valuable than a 706 Vial?

I think there is one argument to be made either way, the ring upgrade should make vial increasingly stronger however 10 Ilvl to all gear might push vial usage way over 100% Multistrike effectively decreasing its on use value.

Thoughts?

/SYLD

[Khiyone]

Given that a 685 heroic Vial sims higher than any of the other trinkets on a patchwerk fight with a 695 ring, there's no question that mythic Vial will still be BiS.

[Maxweii]

Vial will very likely be still BiS for single target. However with it not being able to be upgraded the gap between it and other trinkets will shrink considerably. Will at least make it less painful if you're not luck enough to have one.

[Deleted]

Vial will very likely be still BiS for single target. However with it not being able to be upgraded the gap between it and other trinkets will shrink considerably. Will at least make it less painful if you're not luck enough to have one.

Do you have any thoughts on the possibility that we reach multistrike cap at 100% with upgrades?

[Deleted]

What about the upgraded 725 version of http://www.wowhead.com/item=110012/b...-toe&bonus=642
Could possibly be a viable trinket for BoS. Not that crit is a great stat, but the ilvl discrepancy might make it pull ahead of vial.

[Deleted]

Vial will still be BiS.

[Maxweii]

Do you have any thoughts on the possibility that we reach multistrike cap at 100% with upgrades?

Likely won't. I mean you'd need 75% crit before using Vial to hit cap. We may likely be near high 50 into 60s but don't see us hittin. 75%.

What about the upgraded 725 version of http://www.wowhead.com/item=110012/b...-toe&bonus=642
Could possibly be a viable trinket for BoS. Not that crit is a great stat, but the ilvl discrepancy might make it pull ahead of vial.

Defiantly won't. Has much less strength then Vial comparatively.

[Clayney0]

What about the upgraded 725 version of http://www.wowhead.com/item=110012/b...-toe&bonus=642
Could possibly be a viable trinket for BoS. Not that crit is a great stat, but the ilvl discrepancy might make it pull ahead of vial.

The problem with Dungeon trinkets is, even with a high itemlevel, the stats just suck.
Look at it this way:
Mythic Vial - 443 strength, 2033 multistrike.
Mythic Warforged (705) Bonemaw's Big Toe - 213 strength, 2130 crit.
Vial has more than double the strength of Bonemaw's Big Toe, and a worse on-use effect (crit, ugh). I guess the 735 Bonemaw's Big Toe will be around something like 260strength, 2600crit.
From a 20 itemlevel upgrade, Bonemaw's Big Toe gets 36 strength and average 60,5crit (if you use it right off cooldown).
Vial on the other hand, you get 58 strength and 44,3multistrike for a 15 itemlevel upgrade.
As you said, Crit is really bad, and I'm pretty sure even if you get extremely lucky to get this trinket to 725, or 735 with valor point upgrades, a mythic Vial will still be stronger.

[Deleted]

Mooniara did a video on this subject this week:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A53-fLTyBqk

In short: The strength heirloom trinket will become BiS for breath of sindragosa, with Mythic Vial being number 2.
If you don't have myhic vial, then mythic unending hunger will be replace vial.

Another related problem however, is that since Vial will still be BiS, then the other classes will pull more ahead of the DK than they already are, because their BiS trinkets will rise 10 ilvl and ours won't.

[Clayney0]

Another related problem however, is that since Vial will still be BiS, then the other classes will pull more ahead of the DK than they already are, because their BiS trinkets will rise 10 ilvl and ours won't.

This is actually something big, that most people will overlook in 6.2.3.
Death Knights are already in the lower 50 percentile, especially on Singletarget or 2/3 target cleave.
As soon as there is a Warlock, Warrior or Arcane Mage, we lose out on bursting down multiple targets as well.
This will get even worse with the next patch, we can only hope that the new heirloom Trinket will give us a good boost in Burst, but on the other hand, there are problably more classes that will use one of these Trinkets.

[Maxweii]

That is assuming that the heirloom trinkets will be useable in HFC which hasn't been confirmed yet.

[Deleted]

Defiantly won't. Has much less strength then Vial comparatively.

My bad, I was under the impression that the passive stats are more or less normalized and almost identical for trinkets with the same ilvl.
Apparently thats not the case for 5man trinkets.

[Deleted]

This is actually something big, that most people will overlook in 6.2.3.
Death Knights are already in the lower 50 percentile, especially on Singletarget or 2/3 target cleave.
As soon as there is a Warlock, Warrior or Arcane Mage, we lose out on bursting down multiple targets as well.
This will get even worse with the next patch, we can only hope that the new heirloom Trinket will give us a good boost in Burst, but on the other hand, there are problably more classes that will use one of these Trinkets.

It is kinda sad that we have to look to BRF and Mythic Dungeons to find trinkets. Even UeH is 1000 crit on of our worst stats.

[Maxweii]

It is kinda sad that we have to look to BRF and Mythic Dungeons to find trinkets. Even UeH is 1000 crit on of our worst stats.

Crit isn't as bad as people make it out to be. Believe it's still fairly powerful respectively. I mean it is third in stat line (around my ilvl for past few weeks at least) so it could be worse, haste or vers

[Deleted]

Crit isn't as bad as people make it out to be. Believe it's still fairly powerful respectively. I mean it is third in stat line (around my ilvl for past few weeks at least) so it could be worse, haste or vers

Arms warriors have crit as best stat yet their heroic class trinket sims higher. Think about that

[Saiyendra]

Arms warriors have crit as best stat yet their heroic class trinket sims higher. Think about that

That doesn't say anything about crit's value as a stat or about Unending Hunger. Class trinkets interact directly with the mechanics of a spec, and so have the potential to give much larger increases than something with a large stat total. Unending Hunger is a very good trinket.

[Maxweii]

Arms warriors have crit as best stat yet their heroic class trinket sims higher. Think about that

As was already explained this has nothing to do with he stats value. It just means that the class trinket offers more dps then the UrH trinket even when you add in the large amount of crit on the trinket topped with the str proc

[Deleted]

As was already explained this has nothing to do with he stats value. It just means that the class trinket offers more dps then the UrH trinket even when you add in the large amount of crit on the trinket topped with the str proc

Ye i know that comment was related to my argument that we use UeH/Vial cuz of lack of choice. Like lack of a good class trinket. Same argument that is being made on why DK will be even weaker 6.2.3 when we can only upgrade 1 trinket that is mediocre to us compared to other classes.

[Maxweii]

Ye i know that comment was related to my argument that we use UeH/Vial cuz of lack of choice. Like lack of a good class trinket. Same argument that is being made on why DK will be even weaker 6.2.3 when we can only upgrade 1 trinket that is mediocre to us compared to other classes.

UeH, RH and DC are all on my list of upgradi for Unholy. Frost would also be updgrading EDH. We have good choices they just aren't stupidly overpowered anymore.

[Deleted]

UeH, RH and DC are all on my list of upgradi for Unholy. Frost would also be updgrading EDH. We have good choices they just aren't stupidly overpowered anymore.

So we have good choices because you have upgrades to get? i Dont really follow your argument. Our trinkets sims lower than other classes, and we are below average DPS wise and it will become worse in 6.2.3. And who cares about frost spec it is completely irrelevant at the moment.

choices != good choices