7.1.5. - not just a number tuning.

[Sunlighthell]

Well, they said it will be on ptr soon. My expectations are quite low, especially after they said about "doubling down on warlock strengths" and nerfed our survivability. I'd call it a Blizzard's last chance of redemption in they eyes of warlock community. And chances of their fuck up is quite high in my opinion.

Example of what could happen in a bad way: They said about baking talents that 98% of players always forced to take into baseline abilities. So you expect your baseline siphon life, demon skin or demonic circle? NO WAY. Here take this beautiful soul effigy and shut up.

But maybe, just maybe they will deliver. Your thoughts?

[Lucrece]

Keep your expectations low. Remember their stupid talent swap between demonic circle and demon skin.

[KrazyK923]

We won't get anything.

We're busted mechanically (Since apparently certain people think just being tuned well means it doesn't matter how shitty our gameplay style is) until at least the next expasion.

[Shandalar]

They will nerf some things here and there, making all the talents the same crap (so, you can choose!) meanwhile other classes get all the cake, like last patch.

[Deleted]

I mean they have to buff our single target right?? Destros ST is like the worst in the game now...

[Deleted]

Don't get your hopes up.

[Deleted]

Thank god. It really sounds like a good patch for Blizzard to scream out loud "We are Sorry for Legion, Warlocks! It'll be all good now"

I am sure they are aware of it. Especially the pruning part really makes people think of warlocks. So much was taken away. (Yes I know this partly applies to other classes aswell and they have problems too, but this is the warlock forums).

I am really looking forward to 7.1.5. I have high hopes for Warlocks (especially Destruction) after they were completely ignored with 7.1 (PvE side of things). Like I said in previous posts I am pretty sure they were still testing out warlock changes and they didn't make it due for 7.1 and they didn't want to do some number tuning for a couple of weeks and then need to revert it with the 7.1.5 buffs that are coming.

I expect something bigger actually. I am pretty sure the following will happen ( or even more )

- change to incinerate. It's simply too boring. Maybe completely remove or rename it and add something cool
- Havoc and Wreak Havoc are probably being changed in some way or the other. This one I could see being nerfed.
- Some talents like Shadowburn are absolutely going to be baseline again. There is no way they keep that as a talent.
- Cataclysm gets a big buff probably. Shorter casttime and lower cooldown
- Chaos Bolt probably gets a nice damage boost to make it feel less like a wet noodle
- Mortal Coil . We all know that something is going to happen there.
- Mastery is going to be changed. 100% sure of it. They are probably even ashamed of Destruction Mastery after so many people called them out on it.
- I bet Affliction golden traits are going to be redesigned
- I hope 7.1.5 brings some legendary changes, looking at simcraft really shows that Destruction legendaries are lackluster compared to other classes.


And probably lots more. Also really excited what they do about the stats. This announcement really makes me hopeful for warlocks in 7.1.5

And the best part is we don't even need to wait that long. Blizzcon ends pretty soon and then we already get the PTR with all the notes. Christmas comes early this year guys !

[Deleted]

Im a bit more scared how they mention that they would make the secondary stats worth less compared to the mainstat, imagine demonology if they nerfed haste gained by 50 % per stat, it would become unplayable in PvE.

[Cempa]

SoS needs to go base line so an extra button .. Meaning we would have SoC+SoS (two separate abilities) .. That change is a PvE quality of life change ..

[Sunlighthell]

Considering there're still some bugs from alpha (sweet souls, demo offhand has spell power on it and there's no evidence that it's working like int) I don't expect much like a said in op. Waiting for some retarded changes and more idiotic on kill traits for affliction.
I hope they redo some legendaries or at lease make them viable. (Joined Prydaz sect yesterday, still wondering why this shit is orange quality and not green)
Also, it seems they reworked some of 7.2 artifact appearances but didn't even touched warlock ones they still has low res textures and look like some green-blue WotLK items.
Will they asknowledge warlock issues in their Q&A today?

[Liarparadox]

Thank god. It really sounds like a good patch for Blizzard to scream out loud "We are Sorry for Legion, Warlocks! It'll be all good now"

I am sure they are aware of it. Especially the pruning part really makes people think of warlocks. So much was taken away. (Yes I know this partly applies to other classes aswell and they have problems too, but this is the warlock forums).

I am really looking forward to 7.1.5. I have high hopes for Warlocks (especially Destruction) after they were completely ignored with 7.1 (PvE side of things). Like I said in previous posts I am pretty sure they were still testing out warlock changes and they didn't make it due for 7.1 and they didn't want to do some number tuning for a couple of weeks and then need to revert it with the 7.1.5 buffs that are coming.

I expect something bigger actually. I am pretty sure the following will happen ( or even more )

- change to incinerate. It's simply too boring. Maybe completely remove or rename it and add something cool
- Havoc and Wreak Havoc are probably being changed in some way or the other. This one I could see being nerfed.
- Some talents like Shadowburn are absolutely going to be baseline again. There is no way they keep that as a talent.
- Cataclysm gets a big buff probably. Shorter casttime and lower cooldown
- Chaos Bolt probably gets a nice damage boost to make it feel less like a wet noodle
- Mortal Coil . We all know that something is going to happen there.
- Mastery is going to be changed. 100% sure of it. They are probably even ashamed of Destruction Mastery after so many people called them out on it.
- I bet Affliction golden traits are going to be redesigned
- I hope 7.1.5 brings some legendary changes, looking at simcraft really shows that Destruction legendaries are lackluster compared to other classes.


And probably lots more. Also really excited what they do about the stats. This announcement really makes me hopeful for warlocks in 7.1.5

And the best part is we don't even need to wait that long. Blizzcon ends pretty soon and then we already get the PTR with all the notes. Christmas comes early this year guys !

Keep dreaming.....

But seriously, I hope they take a big look at redesigning aff traits, destro mastery, aff/destro ST bump, and just all around taking this class seriously. Been playing since TBC and i've never seen locks in such a crappy ass state where I felt the class is still in beta/unfinished. At first I couldn't understand why so many theorycrafters ditched the class. I understand entirely now. The effort from blizz just hasn't been there; even though this stuff was reported a very long time ago. And I agree, they should be embarrassed about the state of locks right now. The mechanics, omg what complete garbage. I'm not looking for some huge ass buffs; but dang it they very badly need to fix so many issues with stats, talents, artifacts, spells animations....I feel like blizz did sooo many things soooo well this xpac and there are just there huge blotches of f-ups here and there.

[starji]

It's promising, but a little worrying at the same time. Devs seem to add bugs whenever they make a change more complicated than a numbers fix. For example, Compounding Horror's proc chance doesn't appear to increase during reap souls anymore since they changed it in 7.1, might just be a tooltip thing, but who knows?

Still, assuming they're taking it seriously I could see a few things changing. For Aff, I'd bet they bring back partial ticks on drain life to help with agony stacking and maybe single target damage. Also, Demonic Circle baseline, and all specs pick between howl of terror, mortal coil, and shadowfury on the level 45 talent picks. I can't imagine much more than that level of change.

[Zandalariprelate]

I really hope with the fix of the secondary stats and some buff to our filler and some new talents are gonna put the warlock back, i mean a kil jaeden basile talent only for demo while casting or destro doing awesome damage but cant move much would be welcome

[Kirroth]

I'm cautiously optimistic. It's encouraging that they've called out 7.1.5 as a patch for substantial class changes to address talent diversity, over pruning, rotation feel, and secondary stat weight. Much as I feel Warlocks are in an especially bad spot, it's true that Hunters and Ret Paladins and others have their own problems too. Hopefully a patch with the express purpose of doing more than numbers changes will open a lot of doors for the Warlock revisions we need.

We'll see in a couple days if they're doing better on the second try. I really hope so. And while I'm at it, I'd also like some updates to our barren trash heap of a class hall. Do you know that other class halls have things like ambient dialog and NPCs who react to you in various ways? It's true! They're not just a bunch of random anonymous jerks walking in circles without acknowledging you in any way.

[sugarfree]

I'll believe it when I see it. Warlocks should not have big hopes for this. They said that during Q&A and what we get were welfare buffs and managed to nerf warlocks even more after the infamous "doubling down on strengths".

I wouldn't even be surprised that this planned change was for them to nerf Mortal Coil, Demon Skin and Dark Pact to make useless talents like Teleport and Burning Rush more appealing. That is what they're doing now, so expect more of that, in that way, you won't be massively disappointed.

They can't even manage to fix Affliction DPS in 7.1, nor they were able to fix bugs with traits, or change them mechanically to be you know, useful. So yeah...

[Lucrece]

Im a bit more scared how they mention that they would make the secondary stats worth less compared to the mainstat, imagine demonology if they nerfed haste gained by 50 % per stat, it would become unplayable in PvE.

It's retarded that haste overtakes intellect by such a degree. The stat balance for demo needs a revamp. If you gotta retool the spells themselves and their cast times as a result, so be it, but I shouldn't be sitting on items 15 ilv's lower just because stats are such a steaming pile of garbage if there's no haste on a item.

It takes all the joy out of getting an item from higher difficulty content.

[Fabinas]

Thank god. It really sounds like a good patch for Blizzard to scream out loud "We are Sorry for Legion, Warlocks! It'll be all good now"

I am sure they are aware of it. Especially the pruning part really makes people think of warlocks. So much was taken away. (Yes I know this partly applies to other classes aswell and they have problems too, but this is the warlock forums).

I am really looking forward to 7.1.5. I have high hopes for Warlocks (especially Destruction) after they were completely ignored with 7.1 (PvE side of things). Like I said in previous posts I am pretty sure they were still testing out warlock changes and they didn't make it due for 7.1 and they didn't want to do some number tuning for a couple of weeks and then need to revert it with the 7.1.5 buffs that are coming.

I expect something bigger actually. I wish/hope the following will happen ( or even more )

- change to incinerate. It's simply too boring. Maybe completely remove or rename it and add something cool
- Havoc and Wreak Havoc are probably being changed in some way or the other. This one I could see being nerfed.
- Some talents like Shadowburn are absolutely going to be baseline again. There is no way they keep that as a talent.
- Cataclysm gets a big buff probably. Shorter casttime and lower cooldown
- Chaos Bolt probably gets a nice damage boost to make it feel less like a wet noodle
- Mortal Coil . We all know that something is going to happen there.
- Mastery is going to be changed. 100% sure of it. They are probably even ashamed of Destruction Mastery after so many people called them out on it.
- I bet Affliction golden traits are going to be redesigned
- I hope 7.1.5 brings some legendary changes, looking at simcraft really shows that Destruction legendaries are lackluster compared to other classes.


And probably lots more. Also really excited what they do about the stats. This announcement really makes me hopeful for warlocks in 7.1.5

And the best part is we don't even need to wait that long. Blizzcon ends pretty soon and then we already get the PTR with all the notes. Christmas comes early this year guys !

Fixed that for you. I wish the same with you, btw, but this is definitely a wishlist.

[Zecarro]

According to http://www.wowpopular.com/Talents/Warlock/Affliction

For Affliction we have Siphon life 98%. Thats good.

[PhilUK]

I'm not betting on 7.1.5 being a chance for a large number of fixes. 7.2 is more promising the new traits mentions may help us yet. I'm still going to bank AP just incase.

[Gaidax]

I think people have some unreasonable expectations, for one - I believe Destruction will be having very small changes if any at all.

Maybe there is a small chance Reverse Entropy will be baseline, which would be nice, but I don't think they have it in them to make it happen.