Frost DK + Koltira's Newfound Will (Legendary - 15% chance on rune refund for Oblit.)

[Deleted]

Hello,

finally I picked up my 1st Legendary : Koltira's Newfound Will (15% chance on rune refund for Oblit.)
http://www.wowhead.com/item=132366/k...-newfound-will

So I'm playing with RA-Ob spec and with this new legendary I've got the problem of having sometimes to much runes.

During the normal rotation (after some proccs of the belt) the runes are piling up much faster than I can spent them. Then after spamming Ob (and FrostStrike for IT) I'm full of runic power.
So main problem is that due the legendary I have times with to much runes:

- therefore Frozen Pulse isn't running
- dumping all runes fast for Frozen Pulse results in capping runic Power
- trying to spend runic power before reaching the cap results means delaying Frozen Pulse.

After 10-15sec the situation all runes are spent and the "normal" rotation sets in - until the next rune-overflow.

So my questions are what should I set as my priorities ?

1. IC and Frostfever at all costs

2a) Frozen Pulse (resulting in runic power capping and wasting)
2b) not capping runic power (resulting in delaying Frozen Pulse)


For AoE/cleave I thing 2a) is the way to go
but for Single Target?

Maybe even Breath of Sindragosa maybe viable for dumping runic power (but I think this is not the case)

What are other "belt-owners" thinking/doing ?

[Barael]

What are other "belt-owners" thinking/doing ?

Wishing they had gotten a better legendary or that there was a viable alternative to Frozen Pulse.

[Slagge]

I really dont have the belt and have not simmed anything but this is more how I think about this.

As the alternatives to Frozen Pulse is quite lackluster (in the level 57 row) when you have to much resources already I would say your best bet is to try and change some stats (hastevalue must drop quite a bit).

Other than that I wouldnt change much.

[Heavenshand]

Try simming your char after lowering haste i guess. This will give u an idea about how your stat priority changes with the legendary..

[KoRnDaddy]

Well, I have the belt and I'm still using the FP. I made an Ursoc Heroic on November 1st and FP was 8% of my damage. Really keep dumping your runes with the belt is not easy but I feel comfortable spamming OB and GA, and sometimes RW but not to often. I did very well, I just need to adjust my gear/stats/trinkets, I have too many low 840ilvl trinkets, so I think that a better trinket would be really great.

See my logs below:

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...done&source=10

[Deleted]

I can sim my char - but that's it.

But it would require some changes of the rotation (see 2a oder 2b) to see what to do with an excess of runes and/or runic power.

[Dandeleon]

I was the same problem. I asked in discord and in that case the priority is:
keep IT > Waste Rime Procs > waste runes for Frozen Pulse

[Deleted]

I was the same problem. I asked in discord and in that case the priority is:
keep IT > Waste Rime Procs > waste runes for Frozen Pulse

waste = dumping i.e. using obliterate or waste = ignoring and dumping rp ?

[bubbadubba]

Hello,

finally I picked up my 1st Legendary : Koltira's Newfound Will (15% chance on rune refund for Oblit.)
http://www.wowhead.com/item=132366/k...-newfound-will

So I'm playing with RA-Ob spec and with this new legendary I've got the problem of having sometimes to much runes.

During the normal rotation (after some proccs of the belt) the runes are piling up much faster than I can spent them. Then after spamming Ob (and FrostStrike for IT) I'm full of runic power.
So main problem is that due the legendary I have times with to much runes:

- therefore Frozen Pulse isn't running
- dumping all runes fast for Frozen Pulse results in capping runic Power
- trying to spend runic power before reaching the cap results means delaying Frozen Pulse.

After 10-15sec the situation all runes are spent and the "normal" rotation sets in - until the next rune-overflow.

So my questions are what should I set as my priorities ?

1. IC and Frostfever at all costs

2a) Frozen Pulse (resulting in runic power capping and wasting)
2b) not capping runic power (resulting in delaying Frozen Pulse)


For AoE/cleave I thing 2a) is the way to go
but for Single Target?

Maybe even Breath of Sindragosa maybe viable for dumping runic power (but I think this is not the case)

What are other "belt-owners" thinking/doing ?

I have the same legendary. I have tried a Gathering Storm spec over the RA spec but seemed that it could not compete with RA still.

Basically single target is the same with the belt.

1-keep icy talons up/don't cap RP- This may mean using frost strike even if you have runes. (You can hit frost strike even if you have runes up)

2- Obliterate (if gone Glacial Advance then proceed to weave it in)

3- Rime proc

4-Frost strike (could be above Rime if you are almost capped out)

I think the issue you are having is putting to much thought into frozen pulse. Icy talons is what you should focus on, outside of that it becomes 1-Can you obliterate 2- Can you frost strike. When you focus on frozen pulse you will waste your resources, it doesn't make the rest of your abilities do nothing so stop putting to much thought into frozen pulse.


AoE-

1- Frost fever up ?

2-Glacial advance/ RW

3- Icy Talons

4-Rime proc?

5- Obliterate

With AoE I care less about RP capping, I focus on obliterate. Icy talons is still above it but you have 5 seconds to keep it up. Obliterate to fish for Rime Procs and quickly use runes. The mixture of Rime and Frozen pules does crazy amount of numbers. Obliterate gets you to frozen pulse faster and gives Rime.

I would not take breath of sindragosa for dumping runic power. The only viable build for sindragosa is the gathering storms build. Any build with Icy talons will make sure you do not touch sindragosa.


Switch Frozen pulse with Icy Talons in your priority mindset. Frozen pulse will eventually come with the rotation.

[Dandeleon]

waste = dumping i.e. using obliterate or waste = ignoring and dumping rp ?

Sorry if im not clear.
Keep Icy Talons up > Use Rime Procs from Obliterate > Use runes (Obliterate/GA) to active Frozen Pulse

EDIT: I think post above explain better.

[Deleted]

I've got the ERW Ring and the OB belt. Fuck my life, I'm getting like 40-50% FP uptime at best and I never even use ERW cause it makes FP even worse. Honestly thinking of speccing into Freezing Fog, Howling Blast is already hitting like a truck and doing like 15% of my damage and it means I'd actually be able to use one of my legendaries, wow!

[Schizoide]

Long story short, yes it will hurt your FPulse uptime but don't worry about it. Play normally and try not to allow RP to cap, but when it happens it's not a big deal.

T19H w/o belt: 371.4k, 272 FPulse hits per 300s iteration
T19H w/belt: 395.6k, 224 FPulses
T19H w/belt, allowing RP to cap: 392.0k, 240 FPulses
T19H w/belt, GA: 380.1k, 271 FPulses
T19H w/belt, GS+GA: 361.2k, 266 FPulses

[Deleted]

Thank you all for your feedback and good advices.

L
T19H w/belt, GA: 380.1k, 271 FPulses

GA = Glacial Advance is hurting my dps that much ? Compared to Obliteration or what ?

[Schizoide]

Compared to Obliteration, yes. GA has always been ~3% behind (and 4% with the belt, as it means you use less Obliterates) on single-targets. It compensates by working on AE/cleave and being a meaningful damaging ability you can use at range.

[Cosmic Janitor]

Lol, I was about to make a thread with the same question. Yeah, FP feels devalued quite a bit, but sadly FF still doesn't seem to reach it..

Edit: I take it that using sindy to dump rp and ignore IT every 2 minutes is not an option, eh?

[Schizoide]

Freezing Fog is one of those talents that's so bad that nobody should take it under any circumstances. It's a great candidate for rebalancing/redesign in 7.1.5.

Frost has a bunch of talents meeting that very low bar, either due simply being balanced too low or poor mechanics. Mostly numbers; Blood has a lot more mechanical problems.

Shattering Strikes, Murderous Efficiency, Freezing Fog, Horn of Winter, Frostscythe, Gathering Storm, and Breath of Sindragosa are all underbalanced and need numbers buffs.

Hungering Rune Weapon is mechanically terrible and needs to be redesigned. Buffing its numbers wouldn't help it.

[nathrizarri]

Hello,

finally I picked up my 1st Legendary : Koltira's Newfound Will (15% chance on rune refund for Oblit.)
http://www.wowhead.com/item=132366/k...-newfound-will

So I'm playing with RA-Ob spec and with this new legendary I've got the problem of having sometimes to much runes.

During the normal rotation (after some proccs of the belt) the runes are piling up much faster than I can spent them. Then after spamming Ob (and FrostStrike for IT) I'm full of runic power.
So main problem is that due the legendary I have times with to much runes:

- therefore Frozen Pulse isn't running
- dumping all runes fast for Frozen Pulse results in capping runic Power
- trying to spend runic power before reaching the cap results means delaying Frozen Pulse.

After 10-15sec the situation all runes are spent and the "normal" rotation sets in - until the next rune-overflow.

So my questions are what should I set as my priorities ?

1. IC and Frostfever at all costs

2a) Frozen Pulse (resulting in runic power capping and wasting)
2b) not capping runic power (resulting in delaying Frozen Pulse)


For AoE/cleave I thing 2a) is the way to go
but for Single Target?

Maybe even Breath of Sindragosa maybe viable for dumping runic power (but I think this is not the case)

What are other "belt-owners" thinking/doing ?

Why do you insist on keeping frozen pulse? Is it because people told you it is best?

Let me tell you something..

Dump it, and never look back.

More runes=More Obliterates=More Howling Blast.

Feed this synergy, get murdereous/Freezing Fog/Gathering. Last tier: Obliteration will give more than you can spend. Breath will ease your rotation and give your RP a cleave function, GA is meh.

[Schizoide]

Why do you insist on keeping frozen pulse?

That's a pretty interesting theory. What is it based on?

[Cosmic Janitor]

Even during some of my best (or worse, depending on the PoV) parses yesterday, at best I managed to shift HB+FF to 20% of my dps and FP to 6.5%. With FF that would have been still not enough to compete with FP. Trading RA for GS also seems kinda counterproductive, it just means during the non proc phases you are left hanging without resources again. Seems way too rng-y again.

Edith says: Some initial dry humping on a target dummy suggests this totally different build to be a 60k dps loss for me, I also doubt there is much wrong with my rotation either, since it leaves you hanging quite often for resources so there was not much potential to fuck up tbh. Maybe on permanent cleave fights but otherwise nothing that screams at me to be tested in a real raid scenario.. I didn't even have enough RP to use BoS sensible and oblit doesn't do much overall.


Did some more, it definitely involves more rng.. it's getting better, still not sure that is enough though..

[nathrizarri]

That's a pretty interesting theory. What is it based on?

right below it.

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Even during some of my best (or worse, depending on the PoV) parses yesterday, at best I managed to shift HB+FF to 20% of my dps and FP to 6.5%. With FF that would have been still not enough to compete with FP. Trading RA for GS also seems kinda counterproductive, it just means during the non proc phases you are left hanging without resources again. Seems way too rng-y again.

%5 cannot compete with %6.5? Not to mention that %5 is permanent and mostly in your control with Rime being a button under your hand whereas Frozen Pulse requires a strict condition where in a raid atmosphere-especially with such high resource flow-is unrealistic to maintain.

RA vs GS, every rune you have spent during GS increases the duration, in BL periods with combination of OBliteration, I easily hit 16-18sec R.Winters. Default ST ebon dummy shows that GS, played right, grants around %10 damage increase, without contradicting with your rotation. With the belt, ME, Obliteration, a player can easily push his GS into 10 stacks in early, increasing it's effectiveness, also can push the duration further than 14 seconds without punishing the next GS.

Belt increases the value of Runes. Runes are always more valuable than RP, and GS increases that. There is a strong synergy there.