Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Edge-]

90% of what the media implies or says Trump said turns out to be false.

Citation needed*

But it goes like this: the media say something - Trump denies - the media insist - Trump insists - the media move on to something new. For some reason you seem to conclude from this that the media was right. Well, nearly always it's exactly the reverse, they were wrong and distorted something.

Well, when media are proven right most of the time and Trump is repeatedly caught lying...who are you going to believe? Media who largely accurately report on the imminent departures of agency heads despite Trump saying he's "Very happy" with them, only for them to resign within days? Or the guy that claims he doesn't settle lawsuits...after bragging about how he doesn't lose lawsuits because he settles them, and settlements aren't a loss.

Take this story with nuking the hurricane. The reporter stands by his words, but what did Trump say exactly? Where's some transcript? The reporter says Trump said something about nuking hurricanes like a year ago. I mean, OK, it's a little weird that we are talking about this now, but in any case, what specifically did Trump say? Where are the exact words? Well, we likely won't see anything. We'll just move on from this story to the next, and you and I will make different conclusions. I will conclude that the reporter made an accusation he couldn't support. And you will conclude for some reason that the reporter was correct and Trump "once again" "lied". I'd think about what conclusions you are making from what if I were you.

Reporter is claiming there's a memo about this that he's seen, and this would hardly be the first insane thing that Trump reportedly said/asked about that has proven true despite denials.

Remember when the initial reports of his desire to buy Greenland were met with cries of "FAKE NEWS" from many Trump supporters before Trump confirmed that they were true?

And yes, assuming that Trump is lying by default is a safe assumption given the past 4+ years since he started campaigning.

[zenkai]

90% of what the media reports are Trump own dammed words. Media can't help that Trump is a douche.
You're trying to argue semantics btw, you kind of lost the argument when you started ''but what did he exactly say''.

As this forum proves everyday, words can be taken and spun, to the point you spend half your time arguing against something you never said in the first place. A good recent example was my local news tagged the headline that Trump thinks he should have a medal of honor, they left out that he was joking. Criticize Trump on legit shit but don't take a joke and report it as fact.

Trump "I would kill for a slice of Pizza"

Media "Trump will murder you for food"

[ati87]

As this forum proves everyday, words can be taken and spun, to the point you spend half your time arguing against something you never said in the first place.

Are you talking about yourself now?

[beanman12345]

It’s bias, simple as that. Trump posts on twitter like a dumb teen ager, but the issue is media reporting it. Covafefe to the max...

Yup it's not trump and his 12000 lies since taking office, it's the media who are the real liars.

[Pannonian]

As this forum proves everyday, words can be taken and spun, to the point you spend half your time arguing against something you never said in the first place. A good recent example was my local news tagged the headline that Trump thinks he should have a medal of honor, they left out that he was joking. Criticize Trump on legit shit but don't take a joke and report it as fact.

Trump "I would kill for a slice of Pizza"

Media "Trump will murder you for food"

The best thing about trumpsters crying about the unfair media: They never have an actual example, and always have to invent something ridiculous.

Seems like they're doing just the thing they're complaining about.

[zenkai]

The best thing about trumpsters crying about the unfair media: They never have an actual example, and always have to invent something ridiculous.

Seems like they're doing just the thing they're complaining about.

You quoted me literally giving an actual example....

[Felya]

And yes, assuming that Trump is lying by default is a safe assumption given the past 4+ years since he started campaigning.

The thing is, these comparisons to Obama are disingenuous. Obama got all the shit he did, including from Trump, without being the twitter till that Trump is. If you consider Trump twitter vs Obama alone, it should appear that the media is treating Trump better... because just about a tweet a day from Trump, would result in Obama being called a Manchurian candidate.

The child concentration camps is a great example, where people are defending Trump by bitching about the meaning of concentration camps. Something that wasn't happening with Obama’s FEMA concentration camps. Conservative media, including Trump personally called trust worthy, didn’t draw a distinction between nazis and Obama’s FEMA camps. Of course the crux of this, is that children are in cages at the border, while there is no such thing as FEMA camps!

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You quoted me literally giving an actual example....

No, that’s not an example... please provide a link. It’s more of like Trump is fighting coastal elites from Arkansas, while in his giant tower in the middle of Manhattan. That’s an actual example...

[Blade Wolf]

You quoted me literally giving an actual example....

So because it was a joke it makes it a lie?

[Paranoid Android]

Ironically, Trump’s singular advantage is his willingness to lie about anything and everything without shame. Almost nothing he says is true. He invents reality every day to Replace the grim reality he has fostered.

https://twitter.com/tonyschwartz/sta...550940165?s=19

So on point. He is just a bullshitter. The thing is he has enough people and one of our two political parties who are in line with his bullshit.

I would have never believed this would happen.

[Felya]

So because it was a joke it makes it a lie?

How the heck do they know he is joking? Was him demanding the Nobel peace prize a joke? Was him calling America ‘not innocent’ to defend Putin a joke?

[Cizr]

As this forum proves everyday, words can be taken and spun, to the point you spend half your time arguing against something you never said in the first place. A good recent example was my local news tagged the headline that Trump thinks he should have a medal of honor, they left out that he was joking. Criticize Trump on legit shit but don't take a joke and report it as fact.

Trump "I would kill for a slice of Pizza"

Media "Trump will murder you for food"

This. There are still lot of people who believe that Trump called all mexicans rapists or that he called nazis fine people. They just take what they need, twist it and keep repeating it until people believe it.


Reminds me when left wing media here who hate our current president did similiar thing. It was like this during interview with our president who is known for joking a lot :

Question : How can citizens of Czech Republic let our Prime Minister know that they no longer trust him and want him to be replaced?
His Answer : "If you want to get rid of any politician, including the president, there is only one democratic way and that is a free election. And then there is an undemocratic path that is called Kalashnikov" he said with a smile. The audience laughed and applauded.

Media headlines while later : President calls for assassination of prime minister !!!!!!111

[Breccia]

How the heck do they know he is joking?

They don't.

Trump is still claiming "I am the Chosen One" was a joke, and says that everyone was smiling and laughing. He was captured on video. There was no laughter. Trump did it while yelling at the press. On camera.

"He was joking" is the defense the WH uses, when Trump says something completely stupid or offensive in a way he can't deny saying it. The hurricane thing he's trying to deny, because he didn't say it publicly. He could have said "I was joking" about the hurricanes. He didn't. There are lists of the times Trump defended his actions with "I was joking" and they're all about him on camera. They include throwing a crying baby out of a rally, asking Russia to hack Clinton's emails, asked police to beat up protestors, the "Shoot them!" rally shout, wanted an extra two years in the WH because of the Mueller investigation, and of course, "locker room talk" which goes on the list, not because it was a joke, but it's in the "I didn't mean those things I said" category.

That list is not exhaustive, but it is exhausting. Trump doesn't joke. He lies, all the time, about everything.

[zenkai]

They don't.

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Normal people do, left wing extremest don't understand jokes and sarcasm.

[Benggaul]

Normal people do, left wing extremest don't understand jokes and sarcasm.

Sure, Jan.

I find it more likely that you can't understand the difference between reporting what he actually says and does and "bias". Also not sure how you're off my ignore list again, but that's easily fixed, at least.

[Pannonian]

You quoted me literally giving an actual example....

Well, if that's the case, i'm sorry. It just seems i cannot find this headline with google...

[tyrlaan]

Side note: This thread is challenging to keep up with. It pours out so fast that it might be a good idea to rename the thread "The Trump Diarrhea continues"

[Kiri]

Exactly the opposite - people did care and cared to expose it.

It's when people stopped caring with "everyone does it" is when decline happened.

Because keeping it up took effort; sliding back just needs you to stop caring and making that effort.

People did and still do.

Those sites "where does this particular media outlet lies on right/left axis and how truthful they are overall" that constantly get linked here are about that.

I'm not talking about "giving control to politicians". It is about politicians having access to information when electoral influence happens through this particular vector.

Make it have same accountability as traditional media outlets, same requirements to disclose sources of influence - and sources of funding for such influence - as everyone else on electoral information field.

Otherwise it might as well be Russians doing it and you would never know.

Mind you, all of this was in response to someone asking for someone to force these companies to be neutral, which is what I feel to be dangerous. Politicians being given information is something else entirely. The same goes for my not caring remark - it used to get exposed, but few people cared about regulation.

[Daelak]

As this forum proves everyday, words can be taken and spun, to the point you spend half your time arguing against something you never said in the first place. A good recent example was my local news tagged the headline that Trump thinks he should have a medal of honor, they left out that he was joking. Criticize Trump on legit shit but don't take a joke and report it as fact.

Trump "I would kill for a slice of Pizza"

Media "Trump will murder you for food"

Considering he gave the highest civilian medal the US can give to a fake economist who's only claim to fame is a book he re-titled for the Trump presidency, I don't consider anything he says as a joke.

[Breccia]

Some election info:

This article is about the GOP Senate circling the wagons, assuming the House is lost and Trump's position is questionable. Only by holding a Senate majority will the GOP have any power left, and apparently, that's the message (advertisements?) they're going with.

Fine. Hilarious.

But here's the important part:

Republicans are defending 22 seats compared to the 12 in play for Democrats. Most GOP incumbents are running in deeply red states, limiting the Senate battlefield to a handful of states: Arizona, Colorado, Maine and North Carolina, where GOP Sens. Martha McSally, Gardner, Susan Collins and Thom Tillis, respectively, are on the ballot.

In case you missed it:



You will notice all four states are up there. They have all had major shifts in how they view Trump, and they are now all negative in Trumpinion.

I've been saying over and over, the GOP had to cling to Trump, because they feared they would lose too many rabid fanbase votes to win if they did not. I stand behind that. But now, it seems they don't have enough other votes to guarantee victory. Again, if those states vote as their Trump approval/disapproval goes, the Democrats will take all four states and win the Senate.

The GOP has every right to be scared. I'd be scared too, if my ship was sinking and also on fire. Lucky for me, my ship doesn't run on coal and goddam steam.

P.S. Hah hah, Trump doesn't have Wisconsin.

[beanman12345]

Yeah I would not be optimistic of keeping the senate as they are. If Trump doesn't win, I'd say it's pretty likely the Dems win the Senate.