Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Trunksee]

More spending, more deficits, more taxes. That is exactly what you support.

You guys sure love it when other people pay for it.

And we have national socialism...

How much is the wall vs wiping student loan debt or universal health care? Which cost more?

[Machismo]

How much is the wall vs wiping student loan debt or universal health care? Which cost more?

Here's a thought, don't pay for any of it.

Wow, I just saved billions.

Stop paying for such a bloated defense budget... hundreds of billions.

Liquidate SS and Medicare, literally trillions we could be saving.

Ending immigration restrictions, tens of billions.

God damn, I'm on a roll.

That's the difference between you and I. One of us is a small-government conservative, and the other wants government-mandated socialism and nationalism. I've got freedom and capitalism on my side, you are fighting against both.

[Adam Jensen]

Ill agree to that. Yes he discriminated. Doesnt make him racist sorry.

Denying someone goods and services because of race is one of the core concepts of being a racist.

Saying otherwise doesn't make him not a racist, sorry.

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Generally people consider something like belief that certain races are superior to others to be racism.

Refusing to rent to blacks (or muslims) is plain discrimination, not racism.

Racists certainly discriminate those they consider to be inferior or superior; but racist reasons aren't the only reasons for discrimination.

And in the 1960s we had a big thing about it. Turns out, refusing to rent to blacks (or muslims, or anyone else for that matter) is racism and/or bigotry.

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How much is the wall vs wiping student loan debt or universal health care? Which cost more?

Two of those things will benefit the economy, the third is a stupid fucking wall.

[Shalcker]

Race:

2a: a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock
b: a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics

3
c: a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits

Refusing to rent to blacks (or muslims) is racism or discrimination based on race.

racism:
3: racial prejudice or discrimination

You forgot to quote first two.

Definition of racism
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 a : a doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles
b : a political or social system founded on racism
3: racial prejudice or discrimination

It's a spectrum, and "clear racism" lies primarily in 1. You're conflating 1 with 3, which is hyperbole.

Not every racial discrimination is racism - though, obviously, such discrimination is often forbidden by law regardless of reason (and Trump did pay his fines).
Engaging in racial discrimination is not proof of racism in a sense of first definition by itself though, which is what generally understood as meaning of "Trump is racist".

Also, "muslim" isn't race by any definition.

Definition of discrimination
1a : prejudiced or prejudicial outlook, action, or treatment // like: racial discrimination
1b : the act, practice, or an instance of discriminating categorically rather than individually
2 : the quality or power of finely distinguishing the film viewed by those with discrimination
3a : the act of making or perceiving a difference : the act of discriminating a bloodhound's scent discrimination
3b psychology : the process by which two stimuli differing in some aspect are responded to differently

Let's make it clear - Trump is in favour of discriminatory approaches. He is no big fan of equality (which is quite predictable for billionaire). He'll happily discriminate against blacks if renting to them hurts his bottom line, muslims if they seem to engage in terrorist acts, or illegal immigrants.

And he isn't necessarily acting on perfectly factual information when he makes those discriminatory decision.

But calling him racist for that means weakening the word, and make people assume that you mean definition 3 even when it's torch-bearing "Jews will not replace us" guys.

[Trunksee]

You forgot to quote first two.

Definition of racism
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 a : a doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles
b : a political or social system founded on racism
3: racial prejudice or discrimination

It's a spectrum, and "clear racism" lies primarily in 1. You're conflating 1 with 3, which is hyperbole.

Not every racial discrimination is racism - though, obviously, such discrimination is often forbidden by law regardless of reason (and Trump did pay his fines).
Engaging in racial discrimination is not proof of racism in a sense of first definition by itself though, which is what generally understood as meaning of "Trump is racist".

Also, "muslim" isn't race by any definition.

Definition of discrimination
1a : prejudiced or prejudicial outlook, action, or treatment // like: racial discrimination
1b : the act, practice, or an instance of discriminating categorically rather than individually
2 : the quality or power of finely distinguishing the film viewed by those with discrimination
3a : the act of making or perceiving a difference : the act of discriminating a bloodhound's scent discrimination
3b psychology : the process by which two stimuli differing in some aspect are responded to differently

Let's make it clear - Trump is in favour of discriminatory approaches. He is no big fan of equality (which is quite predictable for billionaire). He'll happily discriminate against blacks if renting to them hurts his bottom line, muslims if they seem to engage in terrorist acts, or illegal immigrants.

And he isn't necessarily acting on perfectly factual information when he makes those discriminatory decision.

But calling him racist for that means weakening the word, and make people assume that you mean definition 3 even when it's torch-bearing "Jews will not replace us" guys.

They wont understand this. Racist is a stronger word that resonates with the base.

[Adam Jensen]

You forgot to quote first two.

Definition of racism
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 a : a doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles
b : a political or social system founded on racism
3: racial prejudice or discrimination

It's a spectrum, and "clear racism" lies primarily in 1. You're conflating 1 with 3, which is hyperbole.

Not every racial discrimination is racism - though, obviously, such discrimination is often forbidden by law regardless of reason (and Trump did pay his fines).
Engaging in racial discrimination is not proof of racism in a sense of first definition by itself though, which is what generally understood as meaning of "Trump is racist".

Also, "muslim" isn't race by any definition.

Definition of discrimination
1a : prejudiced or prejudicial outlook, action, or treatment // like: racial discrimination
1b : the act, practice, or an instance of discriminating categorically rather than individually
2 : the quality or power of finely distinguishing the film viewed by those with discrimination
3a : the act of making or perceiving a difference : the act of discriminating a bloodhound's scent discrimination
3b psychology : the process by which two stimuli differing in some aspect are responded to differently

Let's make it clear - Trump is in favour of discriminatory approaches. He is no big fan of equality (which is quite predictable for billionaire). He'll happily discriminate against blacks if renting to them hurts his bottom line, muslims if they seem to engage in terrorist acts, or illegal immigrants.

And he isn't necessarily acting on perfectly factual information when he makes those discriminatory decision.

But calling him racist for that means weakening the word, and make people assume that you mean definition 3 even when it's torch-bearing "Jews will not replace us" guys.

Believing that renting to blacks will cause rental value to go down is racism.

Why am I even bothering anyways? I have you on ignore for a reason.

[Tenlo]

How much is the wall vs wiping student loan debt or universal health care? Which cost more?

Which of those benefits society and which is a pointless monument that can be bested by spending 100$ at home Depot?

[starlord]

You forgot to quote first two.

Definition of racism
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 a : a doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles
b : a political or social system founded on racism
3: racial prejudice or discrimination

It's a spectrum, and "clear racism" lies primarily in 1. You're conflating 1 with 3, which is hyperbole.

Not every racial discrimination is racism - though, obviously, such discrimination is often forbidden by law regardless of reason (and Trump did pay his fines).
Engaging in racial discrimination is not proof of racism in a sense of first definition by itself though, which is what generally understood as meaning of "Trump is racist".

Also, "muslim" isn't race by any definition.

Definition of discrimination
1a : prejudiced or prejudicial outlook, action, or treatment // like: racial discrimination
1b : the act, practice, or an instance of discriminating categorically rather than individually
2 : the quality or power of finely distinguishing the film viewed by those with discrimination
3a : the act of making or perceiving a difference : the act of discriminating a bloodhound's scent discrimination
3b psychology : the process by which two stimuli differing in some aspect are responded to differently

Let's make it clear - Trump is in favour of discriminatory approaches. He is no big fan of equality (which is quite predictable for billionaire). He'll happily discriminate against blacks if renting to them hurts his bottom line, muslims if they seem to engage in terrorist acts, or illegal immigrants.

And he isn't necessarily acting on perfectly factual information when he makes those discriminatory decision.

But calling him racist for that means weakening the word, and make people assume that you mean definition 3 even when it's torch-bearing "Jews will not replace us" guys.

we call Impeached President Donald Trump racist because he, his family, and his companies have lost several court cases on the basis of their racism.

[Adam Jensen]

"It's not racism, it's just that when a black man drinks from my water fountain, the quality of the water goes down."

(sarcasm, if it isn't obvious enough.)

[Shalcker]

we call Impeached President Donald Trump racist because he, his family, and his companies have lost several court cases on the basis of their racism.

On the basis of their discrimination.

There are anti-discrimination laws in US; there are no anti-racism laws.

[starlord]

On the basis of their discrimination.

There are anti-discrimination laws in US; there are no anti-racism laws.

discrimination based on race is racism.
like discriminating against renters on the basis of race. i know english isn't your first language, but maybe try rereading that definition and not cherry picking whatever you think might help your "argument."

[Captain N]

Watching a Trump supporter consort with a paid Russian shill says all you need to know about the current condition of the United States.

[Endus]

You forgot to quote first two.

Definition of racism
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 a : a doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles
b : a political or social system founded on racism
3: racial prejudice or discrimination

It's a spectrum, and "clear racism" lies primarily in 1. You're conflating 1 with 3, which is hyperbole.

Complete horse shit. This is not how dictionaries work.

The first definition listed is not "the most realest" definition. It isn't "more true" than the others.

Anything meeting definition #3 is just as accurately called "racism" as anything meeting #1.

Not every racial discrimination is racism

Definitively incorrect, and you literally cited the definition stating it was incorrect. You have no excuse, here. This is you deliberately lying.

Also, "muslim" isn't race by any definition.

Since you cited Merriam-Webster, let's continue with that source;

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/race#h3

Definition of race (Entry 3 of 3)
1: a breeding stock of animals
2a: a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock
b: a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics
3a: an actually or potentially interbreeding group within a species
also : a taxonomic category (such as a subspecies) representing such a group
b: BREED
c: a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits
4obsolete : inherited temperament or disposition
5: distinctive flavor, taste, or strength

2(a) and particularly (b) both cover the use you're claiming is invalid. So you're wrong, again.

Let's make it clear - Trump is in favour of discriminatory approaches. He is no big fan of equality (which is quite predictable for billionaire). He'll happily discriminate against blacks if renting to them hurts his bottom line, muslims if they seem to engage in terrorist acts, or illegal immigrants.

And he isn't necessarily acting on perfectly factual information when he makes those discriminatory decision.

But calling him racist for that means weakening the word, and make people assume that you mean definition 3 even when it's torch-bearing "Jews will not replace us" guys.

No, it means we're calling someone "racist" for saying and doing racist things, because they're a racist.

It doesn't "weaken the word". This is literally what the word means. You're the one trying to edit that down, and weaken its use, even while citing sources that definitively contradict you on this.

You're just complaining that racists are being called out as racists, and somehow that's "unfair" to the racists, even though they literally, definitively are racist, and the word is an accurate descriptor. The definition of racism hasn't changed, at all. There's just more awareness, less uncertainty, and less patience for people's hateful bullshit.

[Orange Joe]

You forgot to quote first two.

Definition of racism
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 a : a doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles
b : a political or social system founded on racism
3: racial prejudice or discrimination

It's a spectrum, and "clear racism" lies primarily in 1. You're conflating 1 with 3, which is hyperbole.

Not every racial discrimination is racism - though, obviously, such discrimination is often forbidden by law regardless of reason (and Trump did pay his fines).
Engaging in racial discrimination is not proof of racism in a sense of first definition by itself though, which is what generally understood as meaning of "Trump is racist".

Also, "muslim" isn't race by any definition.

Definition of discrimination
1a : prejudiced or prejudicial outlook, action, or treatment // like: racial discrimination
1b : the act, practice, or an instance of discriminating categorically rather than individually
2 : the quality or power of finely distinguishing the film viewed by those with discrimination
3a : the act of making or perceiving a difference : the act of discriminating a bloodhound's scent discrimination
3b psychology : the process by which two stimuli differing in some aspect are responded to differently

Let's make it clear - Trump is in favour of discriminatory approaches. He is no big fan of equality (which is quite predictable for billionaire). He'll happily discriminate against blacks if renting to them hurts his bottom line, muslims if they seem to engage in terrorist acts, or illegal immigrants.

And he isn't necessarily acting on perfectly factual information when he makes those discriminatory decision.

But calling him racist for that means weakening the word, and make people assume that you mean definition 3 even when it's torch-bearing "Jews will not replace us" guys.

Do you not know how dictionaries work? Each number is a different definition. You only need to met one of them to define the word. You don't have to met all of them.

[starlord]

Do you not know how dictionaries work? Each number is a different definition. You only need to met one of them to define the word. You don't have to met all of them.

maybe russian dictionaries have Putin Approved tm definitions that supersede others?

[Trunksee]

So does he hate black people or does he just love money?

[Blur4stuff]

First and foremost, Trump loves himself. Somewhere on the list after that, he almost certainly harbors a noticeable amount of disgust for brown and black people as demonstrated by his actions and words during his entire adult life.

[starlord]

So does he hate black people or does he just love money?

apparently he hates black people enough to break the law and have to pay money for it.

[Trunksee]

apparently he hates black people enough to break the law and have to pay money for it.

But thats not hate its disregard for the law nothing to do with hate. Most people see racists as people who think less of another race and hes never done that. Yes he hates unskilled labor illegally coming here not a race.

[Endus]

So does he hate black people or does he just love money?

If you're going to discriminate against black people in an effort to make money, you're a racist.

It's really that simple.