Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[DocSavageFan]

Yes, Trump made all sorts of bad decisions, I agree.

It's a shame his lies and deceit will lead to the deaths of so many of his most-fervent supporters. He's the modern day Jim Jones.

So you actually think the travel ban was a bad idea? Please explain why.

[Machismo]

So you actually think the travel ban was a bad idea? Please explain why.

I think Trump has made all sorts of mistakes, I agree. It's a shame he tried to call it all a hoax, so many damn lies...

It was especially odd, considering that the Coronavirus was already in the United States. Just like when he tried to re-name it the "Chinese Virus" it was nothing more than political posturing.

Well, at least we know intelligent people will avoid paying attention to him in the future. Ironically enough, my mother is a huge Trumpster, and she may actually die from Coronavirus. If I still spoke to her, I'd see if she swears it's just like the flu.

This is what happens when people vote for racist con artists to lead them.

[DocSavageFan]

Trump hasn't listened to anyone. Trump has ACTIVELY made this fucking thing worse.

Again...I'm specifically talking about WHO and the travel ban.

And now he is pushing a bullshit medication, simply because he has a financial stake in the company that makes a good portion of it.

"Pushing a bullshit medication"? Wow...just wow. Apparently you don't know that virtually everyone that comes into a New York hospital with coronavirus symptoms is now given hydroxychloroquine. Why is that? Because it's a "bullshit medication"? Your ignorance is astounding.

[Mekh]

"Pushing a bullshit medication"?

"COVID-19
See also: Hydroxychloroquine § COVID-19, Coronavirus disease 2019 § Research, and COVID-19 drug repurposing research

As of April 3rd 2020 there is limited evidence to support the use of chloroquine in COVID-19.[50] In late January 2020 during the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic, Chinese medical researchers stated that exploratory research into chloroquine seemed to have "fairly good inhibitory effects" on the SARS-CoV-2 virus.[51] Requests to start clinical testing were submitted.[52] Use, however, is only recommended in the setting of an approved trial or under the details outlined by Monitored Emergency Use of Unregistered Interventions.[3]

Chloroquine has been approved by Chinese, South Korean and Italian health authorities for the experimental treatment of COVID-19.[53][54] These agencies noted contraindications for people with heart disease or diabetes.[55]

Health experts warned against the misuse of the non-pharmaceutical versions of chloroquine phosphate after a husband and wife consumed a fish tank antiparasitic containing chloroquine phosphate on March 24, with the intention of it being prophylaxis against COVID-19. One of them died and the other was hospitalized.[56] Chloroquine has a relatively narrow therapeutic index and it can be toxic at levels not much higher than those used for treatment—which raises the risk of inadvertent overdose.[57][58] On 27 March 2020, the FDA issued guidance, "do not use chloroquine phosphate intended for fish as treatment for COVID-19 in humans".[59]

On March 28, 2020 the FDA authorized the use of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine under an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA).[60] The treatment has not been approved by the FDA. The experimental treatment is authorized only for emergency use for people who are hospitalized but not not able to receive treatment in a clinical trial.[61]

On 1 April 2020, the European Medicines Agency (EMA) issued guidance that chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine are only to be used in clinical trials or emergency use programs.[62]. "

[Lenonis]

I like how DT called out the WHO as a puppet organization for China though. What he've said was true and I support fund withdrawal from that bunch of lackeys.

Burner accounts pushing right wing talking points. How new and refreshing!

[PhaelixWW]

I'm specifically talking about WHO and the travel ban.

Yes, you're attempting to narrow the focus because you're afraid that the full array of facts don't line up for your position.

The point is that the CDC urged travel restrictions, and raised their travel advisory to its highest level (3) more than a week before Trump's decision to restrict travel from China.

The State Department, for comparison, was only at a level 2 travel advisory at the same time.

[Lenonis]

Apparently you don't know that virtually everyone that comes into a New York hospital with coronavirus symptoms is now given hydroxychloroquine.

Gonna need a source for this that isn't Navarro.

[DocSavageFan]

A travel ban was a good idea. Just a shame it took him so bloody long to actually do it. By the time he did, it was already in the US and he'd had plenty of warnings about it.

And he has done even worse since then.

Trump announced the travel ban on Jan. 31. The first COVID-19 death in the US was Feb 29. Since you seem to be so incredibly wise in matters of hindsight....how much sooner should Trump have implemented the "racist" and "xenophobic" travel ban?

If you recall, Trump got tremendous flak from the left and MSM for the travel ban on this issue. But hey...I get it...orange man bad...derp.

[unfilteredJW]

You can tell his actions are getting harder to defend.

But gosh darnit, they sure as hell will keep trying.

[Orbitus]

Gonna need a source for this that isn't Navarro.

He is going to push that Bullshit from Peter Navarro. Guarantee he will.

[DocSavageFan]

It's called a trial. No one is receiving the medication because it works. They hope it is going to work. You just ignored that fact, which makes you the ignorant one.

Why would they do a trial on a "bullshit medication"? Apparently my point was lost on you.

[PhaelixWW]

"Pushing a bullshit medication"? Wow...just wow. Apparently you don't know that virtually everyone that comes into a New York hospital with coronavirus symptoms is now given hydroxychloroquine. Why is that? Because it's a "bullshit medication"? Your ignorance is astounding.

I'm sorry, what? Reports are that New York administered up to 4000 people with HCQ, as part of advanced trials. New York has had over 17 thousand hospitalizations.

[Nellise]

So you actually think the travel ban was a bad idea? Please explain why.

Because it made Trump think that was the only thing he needed to do, he "fixed" the problem with that ban and made no other contingency plans. They still let thousands of people from that region back into the US after the ban with minimal testing, if any at all, so the ban delayed things but didn't help since nothing was done during that delay.

[Orbitus]

The first case was on January 21st, in Seattle. But please, don't let that fact hit you in the face. Your goalpost of "first death" was silly.

He was warned about it, at least, early January. If not before.

And after he did that, with the travel ban, he also overrode the CDC and let about a dozen US citizens that were confirmed infected come to the US, on a full plane of people that weren't infected. https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/02/...navirus-plane/

Happened February 3rd. And it was 14 people. They thought they could be quarantined on the plane, by SIMPLE FUCKING PLASTIC, apparently not caring that the fucking virus can survive in the air for hours.

Which means that I guarantee almost everyone on that flight got infected from that fuckup.

[PhaelixWW]

If you recall, Trump got tremendous flak from the left and MSM for the travel ban on this issue.

No, I don't recall. What "tremendous flak"? Please source. We can take it case-by-case.

[Resurgo]

The first case was on January 21st, in Seattle. But please, don't let that fact hit you in the face. Your goalpost of "first death" was silly.

He was warned about it, at least, early January. If not before.

He also apparently doesn’t know that travel ban had so many exceptions, you might as well have called it a ‘travel sieve’.

[Lenonis]

He is going to push that Bullshit from Peter Navarro. Guarantee he will.

Might as well quote his grandmother then for about as believable that is.

The only thing I'm seeing is that they are using it for really severe patients -- and it's unclear if that's part of a clinical trial or not. It's also not clear what sort of screening or other factors go into the decision to use this treatment. I refuse to believe doctors are just using it willy-nilly. That's not how it works.

[kaelleria]

The first case was on January 21st, in Seattle. But please, don't let that fact hit you in the face. Your goalpost of "first death" was silly.

He was warned about it, at least, early January. If not before.

He was warned about it in November - https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/08/polit...rus/index.html

[Lenonis]

Why would they do a trial on a "bullshit medication"? Apparently my point was lost on you.

There is about 10 grand canyons of distance between "bullshit medication" and "just try it, what do you have to lose."

If absolutely nothing else, Trump shouldn't be sitting up there pushing people to take medication. He's not a physician. The furthest he should go is to state that trials are ongoing because it shows promise as a potential treatment and encourage people to discuss with their doctor. He should then hand it over to an actual expert and shut up and sit down.

No treatment is considered safe and effective until it undergoes a clinical trial. Even after that there are risks, side effects, drug interactions, and a whole host of other situations that require a physician to evaluate. No where in this process should it be "a drug you should just try, what do you have to lose."

But you know this. You just can't bring yourself to admit your idol stepped in it.

[DocSavageFan]

Yes, you're attempting to narrow the focus because you're afraid that the full array of facts don't line up for your position.

The point is that the CDC urged travel restrictions, and raised their travel advisory to its highest level (3) more than a week before Trump's decision to restrict travel from China.

The State Department, for comparison, was only at a level 2 travel advisory at the same time.

No...the point is that, instead of being supportive, the left, MSM, and even WHO were highly critical of Trump regarding the travel ban at the time. Now we see that the ban was the right thing to do and this action likely saved numerous lives. But here you sit with your godlike hindsight and say he should have done it sooner. Please quote any posts of yours prior to Jan 31 where you advocated a travel ban sooner. Otherwise, please stop with your horseshit revisionism.