Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Edge-]

Well with Hydrophroxo-... Hydrofillo-... The Lupus Drug out as Trump's Go-To miracle cure, the man himself is now promoting... Figuring out how to inject people with Disinfectant or Irradiating them internally with UV light to kill the Virus.

I'm being serious.

Was about to share this.

The UV light one isn't as dumb, but from what I've been reading about the studies on it it's UVC light that's the most potentially effective and that's blocked out by the atmosphere. You need artificial sources for that, and UVC light isn't very good for humans.

On the "injecting people with disinfectant"...I don't even know what to think on this. This is, "I'll just drink bleach and that will kill the virus." levels of stupid.

[Breccia]

So yesterday Fauci said this:

We need to significantly ramp up not only the number of tests, but the capacity to perform them, so that you don’t have a situation where you have a test but it can’t be done because there isn’t a swab, or because there isn’t extraction media, or not the right vial.

I am not overly confident right now at all that we have what it takes to do that. We are doing better, and I think we are going to get there, but we are not there yet,

Naturally, today, Trump said this:

No, I don’t agree with him on that. I think we are doing a grab job on testing.

If he said that, I don’t agree with him.

We’re doing very well on testing. We’ve tested far more than anyone else in the world and within a short period of time you’ll be hearing about new tests that are coming out that are going to be incredible

"Wow. He said that in front of Fauci?"

Oh, no. Fauci wasn't at the press briefing. Otherwise, the press would have asked him directly.

Incidentally "we have new tests coming" is (a) conjecture (see also: Google website) and (b) does not contradict what Fauci said about needing more/better tests.

As a reminder, Trump is the one arbitrarily setting guidelines. His experts have been trying to explain what's necessary to do that. Trump, who has repeatedly said he knows more than the doctors, disagrees using nothing but his word that other countries have been calling and saying Trump is the best -- no really, he said that too -- and that the best is yet to come, you'll see, this time I mean it.

It's not just Trump having a bad time with his on-the-record words not being taken well. McConnell has drawn some flak about the whole bankruptcy thing, possibly (I think @Edge- said this) based on Kentucky being ridiculously dependent on federal money and as I know I posted the second-most in-debt state just barely behind NYState.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) is facing blowback from across the political spectrum after he suggested states should be able to declare bankruptcy as they face severe budget holes sparked by the coronavirus outbreak.

The debate over providing more federal funding for state and local governments is emerging as an early lightning rod in the next coronavirus bill, with Democrats and some Republicans asking for hundreds of billions in additional assistance.

But McConnell sparked his own political firestorm when, in response to a question from radio host Hugh Hewitt, he said he supported letting states declare bankruptcy and positioned Republicans as cautious of providing them with additional federal relief.


"I would certainly be in favor of allowing states to use the bankruptcy route. It saves some cities. And there’s no good reason for it not to be available. My guess is their first choice would be for the federal government to borrow money from future generations to send it down to them now so they don’t have to do that. That’s not something I’m going to be in favor of," McConnell said.

The remarks were met with quick and fierce backlash by lawmakers and local officials from states hit hard by the spread of the coronavirus, including members of McConnell’s own party.

Maryland GOP Gov. Larry Hogan predicted on Thursday that McConnell would ultimately regret his comments — if he didn’t already.

"Mitch McConnell, I think, probably regrets saying that," Hogan said during a Politico Playbook event. "If he doesn't regret it yet, I think he will regret it."

“The last thing we need in the middle of an economic crisis is to have states filing bankruptcy all across America and not able to provide services to people who desperately need them,” he added. “I'm hopeful that we're going to be able to … convince Sen. McConnell that maybe he shouldn't let all the states go bankrupt."

Rep. Pete King (R-N.Y.), who is retiring, called McConnell the “Marie Antoinette of the Senate.”

“McConnell’s dismissive remark that States devastated by Coronavirus should go bankrupt rather than get the federal assistance they need and deserve is shameful and indefensible,” added King, whose home state has been hard hit by the coronavirus.

That's diplomatic, at least, which is kind of odd coming from the Party of Fuck Your Feelings. By contrast, there's Cuomo:

This is one of the really dumb ideas of all time

As a reminder, states were left out of Chapter 9. By this exclusion, they can't go bankrupt, barring a SCOTUS interpretation of course but one would have to try to force that issue. A few thought about it before, but none actually have. McConnell would, therefore, have to make some kind of bill or law and everyone would get to vote on it. If he does, we'll see who agrees. If he doesn't, I'll concede Hogan was right.

[Edge-]

https://www.salon.com/2020/04/23/mit...gressman-says/

McConnell was given a new nickname from a House Republican colleague responding to his, "Let the states go bankrupt" comment (which apparently they can't).

"To say that it is 'free money' to provide funds for cops, firefighters and healthcare workers makes McConnell the Marie Antoinette of the Senate," King tweeted.

Ooph.

[Thepersona]

https://www.salon.com/2020/04/23/mit...gressman-says/

McConnell was given a new nickname from a House Republican colleague responding to his, "Let the states go bankrupt" comment (which apparently they can't).



Ooph.

I can totally see McCoonnell getting the Marie Antoinette treatment if he doesnt back off his evil policies ATM.

[Poopymonster]

I can totally see McCoonnell getting the Marie Antoinette treatment if he doesnt back off his evil policies ATM.

Head. Withdraws into shell. Can't cut the shell.

Shellshocked Demoncrats: 0. Sad.
Repooplicans: Eleventybillion! JOBS!

[Milchshake]

President Trump suggests irradiating people's bodies with UV light or injecting them with bleach or alcohol to deal with COVID19.


Uhhh boy, I think is trying to appeal to MArianne Williamson voters tostaunch his cratering numbers.

[PhaelixWW]

Well, now, perhaps it would be good to dredge up this gem from exactly one month ago today (updated info in red):

"DeMs UsInG ThE CoRoNaViRuS to AttAcK TrUmP iS SiLly " ( Even tho thats all dems are talking about right now )

Heres some facts for you :

President Trump :
COVID-19 Coronavirus
US cases to date : 15,219 (878,974 after +5676% increase in 1 month)
US deaths to date : 203 (49751 after +24408% increase in 1 month)
Panic level : Mass hysteria

President Obama
H1N1
US cases peak at time : 60.8 MILLION
US deaths peak at time : 12,469
Panic level : 0 panic/Nobody cares

Logic? Good ole left-wing controlled media never fails.

Ah, classic.

One month later, and we're now at pretty much exactly 4x the death toll of H1N1. And COVID-19 isn't stopping any time soon. But sure, this is all just some "Democrat hoax" against Trump, right?

[Felya]

Why is Trump endorsing a bunch of senators on twitter over the last hour? What happened?

[Poopymonster]

Why is Trump endorsing a bunch of senators on twitter over the last hour? What happened?

They didn't ignore the balls. Never ignore the balls.

[Machismo]

Well, now, perhaps it would be good to dredge up this gem from exactly one month ago today (updated info in red):


Ah, classic.

One month later, and we're now at pretty much exactly 4x the death toll of H1N1. And COVID-19 isn't stopping any time soon. But sure, this is all just some "Democrat hoax" against Trump, right?

Yeah, his post did not age well, that's for sure.

[Thepersona]

President Trump suggests irradiating people's bodies with UV light or injecting them with bleach or alcohol to deal with COVID19.


Uhhh boy, I think is trying to appeal to MArianne Williamson voters tostaunch his cratering numbers.

I mean, getting them into the soul society arc would mean that they would be in a secure place (their homes) for a week or 2, so that would help. Or are you talking about the cleaning bleach?

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Head. Withdraws into shell. Can't cut the shell.

Shellshocked Demoncrats: 0. Sad.
Repooplicans: Eleventybillion! JOBS!

This made me smile

[Edge-]

Why is Trump endorsing a bunch of senators on twitter over the last hour? What happened?

They're all House Reps., not Senators. Looks like it's just a big fundraising drive since he's linking to WinRed (the Republican response to ActBlue or whatever it's called).

Looks like he's backing some potentially vulnerable candidates in some battleground states (looks like they're all from Utah, Ohio, Florida, and West Virginia so far) to try to boost them. I guess it's just fundraising, but I don't know how these folks are polling and if they're in vulnerable seats or not.

[Felya]

They're all House Reps., not Senators. Looks like it's just a big fundraising drive since he's linking to WinRed (the Republican response to ActBlue or whatever it's called).

Looks like he's backing some potentially vulnerable candidates in some battleground states (looks like they're all from Utah, Ohio, Florida, and West Virginia so far) to try to boost them. I guess it's just fundraising, but I don't know how these folks are polling and if they're in vulnerable seats or not.

Thank you! I was trying to find some tweets demanding economy open or close... foiled by this spam.

[Breccia]

Well with Hydrophroxo-... Hydrofillo-... The Lupus Drug out as Trump's Go-To miracle cure, the man himself is now promoting... Figuring out how to inject people with Disinfectant or Irradiating them internally with UV light to kill the Virus.

Well, this is why you pay me the big bucks.

"We get paid?"

Shh.

There’s only one type of UV that can reliably inactivate Covid-19 – and it’s extremely dangerous.

You would literally be frying people

I could stop posting right there.

So is this a good way to protect yourself from Covid-19? And is it true that since “the new coronavirus hates the sun”, sunshine will immediately kill it, as some reports on social media have claimed?

In short: no.

In long: nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Here’s why.

Dangerous rays

Sunlight contains three types of UV. First there is UVA, which makes up the vast majority of the ultraviolet radiation reaching the Earth’s surface. It’s capable of penetrating deep into the skin and is thought to be responsible for up to 80% of skin ageing, from wrinkles to age spots.

Next there’s UVB, which can damage the DNA in our skin, leading to sunburn and eventually skin cancer (recently scientists have discovered that UVA can also do this). Both are reasonably well known, and can be blocked out by most good sun creams.

There is also a third type: UVC. This relatively obscure part of the spectrum consists of a shorter, more energetic wavelength of light. It is particularly good at destroying genetic material – whether in humans or viral particles. Luckily, most of us are unlikely to have ever encountered any. That’s because it’s filtered out by ozone in the atmosphere long before it reaches our fragile skin.

A concentrated form of UVC is now on the front line in the fight against Covid-19. In China, whole buses are being lit up by the ghostly blue light each night, while squat, UVC-emitting robots have been cleaning floors in hospitals. Banks have even been using the light to disinfect their money.

"Oh, so there's some truth to this."

Just enough to kill you.

But there’s a major caveat.

UVC is really nasty stuff – you shouldn't be exposed to it. It can take hours to get sunburn from UVB, but with UVC it takes seconds. If your eyes are exposed… you know that gritty feeling you get if you look at the sun? It’s like that times 10, just after a few seconds.

Which would explain why Mr. Stares At The Eclipse is a big fan.

Now to be fair, they are working on something like this to, say, kill flu viruses in the air. That actually sounds awesome. But the WHO had to come out and say "Don't use your tanning bed to disinfect your skin" which you'd think wouldn't be necessary, but then, you'd also think the same of "don't eat fish tank cleaner" and "don't put your dick in a porn star if your wife is a supermodel".

It's theoretically possible that COVID-19 would be adversely affected by sunlight, but there's no study yet that says how much or how long. And sunlight doesn't penetrate the human body. UVC might, but the inside of the human body has nearly no resistance to that sort of thing. I don't know, exactly, you'd use a giant EZ Bake Oven (the ones with the light bulb) to cook the virus out of an infected person's bloodstream, without causing damage to the person. And I doubt probes or tiny floating light bulbs in the bloodstream are involved, either. Who knows. But it seems like Trump is, again, promising a cure that doesn't seem to exist yet.

The alcohol thing, he's actually late to that party. Three days late, to be precise, he retweeted a golf star who said a bottle of vodka will kill coronavirus. Naturally, the golf star who smokes two packs a day and can barely stand at 53 is assumed to be a worldwide health expert, but just to be sure, I ran a few numbers.

First of all, I'll concede pouring vodka directly on an infected surface probably helps.

But drinking it?

A standard 750ml bottle of vodka would have 16 1.5oz shots in it. Drinking it all over one hour would give a 245 lb man a BAC of 0.32% and at the very minimum knock them unconscious, possibly poison or kill them. (The legal limit is 0.08% in NYState, and I would assume four times as much means that, even if you are cured, you're not leaving the house anyhow).

"But Breccia! The golf star said you drink it slowly over time! He even used the words sippy sippy, no really, that was an exact term he used!"

That's true, voice in my head. But drinking the bottle of 16 servings over the waking day would give a BAC of 0.11% and keep you beyond the legal limit all day. You'd replace one stay-at-home order with another. Nice going, dumbass.

This is also where I point out that hand sanitizer can be something crazy like 60 or 70% alcohol. Giving your blood one-tenth the alcohol percentage as beer? That's going to have no effect.

Here is the CDC's recommendations on sanitizing surfaces. They seem to like 70% alcohol. So...that vodka might not qualify.

Now, the good news about bleach is, your blood is already basic.

"Basically what?"

No no, higher pH than 7, like bleach. Bleach is like 12.6 or something.

"Oh, so it won't take much to -- "

It's a logarithmic scale. Bleach is over 100,000 times strong a base than blood. Oh, it gets worse, not that it needs to. That means, to get your blood "only" one-tenth as strong as bleach -- which might not kill the virus anyhow -- you would have to inject about 500cc of bleach into your bloodstream,

Just so we're clear, a 250cc syringe looks like this:


Have fun with that.

"But Breccia! An IV bag is a liter, surely you could use that."

Okay. In what hospital bed?

"Oh, right. Well, why don't I just drink it?"

Because your stomach contains acid nearly as strong as bleach is. (There's also a surprisingly large amount of it, too) And mixing 500cc bleach with 500cc hydrochloric acid would probably create enough chlorine gas to fill a 10m x 10m x 10m cube, such as an average house with the windows closed, with enough concentration to kill everyone. Oh, and it's heavier than air, so the children are dying first and don't expect falling to the floor to save you. It'll just make things worse.

Medical developments happen every day. But you shouldn't go on live TV and talk about them in terms you clearly don't understand. Is there something we could inject that would kill viruses but not the human host? I mean, hopefully? That'd be great. Is it a disinfectant? Not the way we're used to using those terms, no.

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President Trump suggests irradiating people's bodies with UV light or injecting them with bleach or alcohol to deal with COVID19.

To be clear, I don't think he was suggesting that.

I think he's desperate for any way off the Hindenburg to ask if you can use a tablecloth as a parachute. Yeah, it's a dumb question, but he's about to go down in flames anyhow.

Probably should have rehearsed that before going live though. This is one of those "everything you just said is wrong" moments.

[Shadowferal]

If I ever see a syringe like that I...I'd feel the need to defend myself...
No way in helll...I never liked needles to begin with. Not getting that stuck in me.

[Poopymonster]

I think he's desperate for any way off the Hindenburg to ask if you can use a tablecloth as a parachute. Yeah, it's a dumb question, but he's about to go down in flames anyhow.

Probably should have rehearsed that before going live though. This is one of those "everything you just said is wrong" moments.

There is a term for being wrong at every level.

[jonnysensible]

President Trump suggests irradiating people's bodies with UV light or injecting them with bleach or alcohol to deal with COVID19.


Uhhh boy, I think is trying to appeal to MArianne Williamson voters tostaunch his cratering numbers.

now now eat your tide pods or there will be no dessert!

[Orbitus]

While Trump works to help small businesses I understand the vile Demonrats refuse to pass emergency legislation to release funds? (I am not American, so I don't fully understand your system). But I do know that it is in the interest of the vile Left to make sure the economy crashes so they can use it as a platform to win in November. They will literally see millions of your citizens go to the wall financially if it helps them gain power again. Thankfully here in the UK we have a strong Conservative Government that are not bound by the opposition party anymore and can do what is needed to pull us through this pandemic.

Off topic, is Joe Biden REALLY the best you guys can do? Seriously?

Christ.

(waiting on infraction, it's what MMO does best).

I don't know where you live, but it isn't this fucking place called REALITY.

[Zaydin]

President Trump suggests irradiating people's bodies with UV light or injecting them with bleach or alcohol to deal with COVID19.


Uhhh boy, I think is trying to appeal to MArianne Williamson voters tostaunch his cratering numbers.

JFC, Trump is insane. I think HCQ turning out to be a lethal dud caused him to snap after he spent so much time hyping it up and now he's desperate.

But MAGAts insist that Biden is the one who is suffering dementia.

[Santti]

Was about to share this.

The UV light one isn't as dumb, but from what I've been reading about the studies on it it's UVC light that's the most potentially effective and that's blocked out by the atmosphere. You need artificial sources for that, and UVC light isn't very good for humans.

On the "injecting people with disinfectant"...I don't even know what to think on this. This is, "I'll just drink bleach and that will kill the virus." levels of stupid.

Bleach is mostly water. We are mostly water. Therefore, we are bleach.