Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[TigTone]

Ok, so explain this to me then.

How the fuck is anyone supposed to enforce anything if no-one knows what's in the EO...?

Like, I know the administration is jam packed with dumb mother (and daughter) fuckers, but this is some basic shit right here.

I’m starting to think it was a bluff.

I’m seriously considering they are stupid enough to fake an EO to try and “scare” social media companies.

[beanman12345]

So based on Edge's link, This'll be thrown out in record time, since he has no authority over the FTC.

[Acidbaron]

I mean what are they going to do, ban twitter or facebook? It is their most used platform. What's the endgame here assuming there is any.

What i am hearing is that this is undoing the protection that social media has that written press has not and that means content posted on them can be sued. Something about a common decency law from the 60's or 70's. If that's so, this is going to back fire badly for trump and the base lol

As social media has to ensure what is posted on there is the truth. I mean go for it trump, go on make social media responsible for lies being posted on there. lol

[Belize]

Because none of that is the point of this EO, which I'm sure they all know internally will be overturned by judges post-haste.

It's a performance. Everything about this presidency is a performance. This is top tier reality TV right now.

I guess I fail to see how this will actually improve anything.

His base of mouthbreathers don't need to be energized any more than their current state of furious masturbatory flagellation, and realistically this will only alienate the more Constitutionalist Conservative crowd due to its blatant attack on their sacred First Amendment.

It doesn't take a whole lot of brain cells to equate being able to deny a cake for any reason to being denied a Twitter account for being a fat orange fuck.

[Machismo]

I mean what are they going to do, ban twitter or facebook? It is their most used platform. What's the endgame here assuming there is any.

What i am hearing is that this is undoing the protection that social media has that written press has not and that means content posted on them can be sued. Something about a common decency law from the 60's or 70's. If that's so, this is going to back fire badly for trump and the base lol

As social media has to ensure what is posted on there is the truth. I mean go for it trump, go on make social media responsible for lies being posted on there. lol

It's specifically in regards to Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act. It was pushed in 1996, because companies were being successfully sued for things random posters in chat rooms were saying.

Imagine MMO-C being liable for what the Brexit Burner posts. Imagine being liable for the plagiarism of people like Theo. Imagine being liable for every post that pushes a libelous conspiracy theory. Or, in the case of Facebook, they could be liable for all the random memes and trademark violations that people push with their spam, including from Russian bots.

"No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider."

Those may be some of the most important words written in the past 100 years.

[Edge-]

I mean what are they going to do, ban twitter or facebook? It is their most used platform. What's the endgame here assuming there is any.

They're going to use this as a rallying cry for his base to show them that big strongman Trump is "DOING SOMETHING" about the egregious anti-conservative bias in media, but the "DEEP STATE" judiciary and our laws prevent Trump from cleaning up that liberal mess.

It's messaging. It's positioning. It's branding. It's smoke and mirrors. It's drama. It's reality TV. What Trump knows best.

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I guess I fail to see how this will actually improve anything.

It literally doesn't have to.

Facts and reality don't matter. Feelings matter.

[Acidbaron]

It's specifically in regards to Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act. It was pushed in 1996, because companies were being successfully sued for things random posters in chat rooms were saying.

Imagine MMO-C being liable for what the Brexit Burner posts. Imagine being liable for the plagiarism of people like Theo. Imagine being liable for every post that pushes a libelous conspiracy theory.

Oh misheard on news then if it is from '96. Yes that much i got i think trump really believes or his entourage makes him believe what he is talking about is the truth or he is grossly misunderstanding this play, or he is trying to bully the social media tech companies into obedience or else they want to make them responsible for everything anyone says.

the last one is probably his goal as being a pouty child trying to bully others is how he operates. Not sure if that can be done, also attacking your own big global players in the tech world, america first eh? China must be loving this, same goes for all other authoritarian regimes.

[Belize]

It's specifically in regards to Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act. It was pushed in 1996, because companies were being successfully sued for things random posters in chat rooms were saying.

Imagine MMO-C being liable for what the Brexit Burner posts. Imagine being liable for the plagiarism of people like Theo. Imagine being liable for every post that pushes a libelous conspiracy theory. Or, in the case of Facebook, they could be liable for all the random memes and trademark violations that people push with their spam, including from Russian bots.

"No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider."

Those words may be some of the most important words of the past 100 years.

Wouldn't that be double edge sword though?

If Twitter is liable for what Trump posts, is that not an incentive to ban him the fuck off their platform?

[Pannonian]

They're going to use this as a rallying cry for his base to show them that big strongman Trump is "DOING SOMETHING" about the egregious anti-conservative bias in media, but the "DEEP STATE" judiciary and our laws prevent Trump from cleaning up that liberal mess.

It's messaging. It's positioning. It's branding. It's smoke and mirrors. It's drama. It's reality TV. What Trump knows best.

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It literally doesn't have to.

Facts and reality don't matter. Feelings matter.

And when it gets taken down by the courts, it's also evidence for the deep state.

In Trumps world, everything is a win.

[Machismo]

Wouldn't that be double edge sword though?

If Twitter is liable for what Trump posts, is that not an incentive to ban him the fuck off their platform?

Except, that means completely changing how their platform works. There would be no real-time posts. If someone plagiarizes and posts, the site would be liable. If someone makes a death threat, someone would be liable.

Companies were being sued for what people were saying in their chat rooms... and losing. CompuServe and Prodigy lost, and one of the lawsuits was based on someone posting something that was actually true.

The problem is there's no way to simply apply it to a couple companies, because people would simply migrate to another site. Then, there would be a new "biggest" site that everyone would flock to, and they would have to either add that company to the "restricted" list, or it would solve nothing more than purposefully destroying a company, because Trump doesn't like it.

There is no easy way to fix an attack on Section 230. It will silence internet speech like you wouldn't fucking believe.

[Stormspark]

Ok, so explain this to me then.

How the fuck is anyone supposed to enforce anything if no-one knows what's in the EO...?

Like, I know the administration is jam packed with dumb mother (and daughter) fuckers, but this is some basic shit right here.

Honestly, I would just completely ignore it. And if any "enforcement" was attempted, simply host the servers outside the US.

[Breccia]

And if any "enforcement" was attempted, simply host the servers outside the US.

I feel very strongly that the enforcement would be exactly the same as the voter fraud panel. Basically, Twitter isn't staffed by commie socialist librul elite commie traitor commies that are working night and day to block anything with an R in it. Even if Barr did ask for all their decision-making processes, they won't find anything actually useful. It'd be even funnier if Twitter didn't give Barr the results, but just made them public. "This is why we fact-checked all those Republicans," they could say on live TV or an ad during Tim Allen's show, "it's because they lied to the American people and also broke our terms of service, which we're helpfully also providing a highlit copy. I know Barr asked for this, but he can read the same files as all of you can."

[Edge-]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9537886.html

President Donald Trump's endorsement of Republicans isn't a sure-fire bet that they'll succeed in their elections, and data suggests it may actually hurt their chances.

Data published by Legislative Studies Quarterly suggests Mr Trump's endorsement by no means guarantees a win for a conservative candidate. Since he took office, the Republican party has lost a total of 15 seats — 11 in the House and four in the Senate — all of whose candidates had Mr Trump's endorsement.

According to the findings, when Mr Trump endorsed a candidate, it inspired increased donations towards the candidate's opponent by their supporters.

"While President Trump's public endorsements provided a financial boost to endorsed candidates, they also increased donor support of opposing candidates and were ultimately detrimental to candidates' vote shares and likelihood of winning," the researchers wrote.

Overall, the researchers found that candidates who were endorsed by the president fared worse in their campaigns than the candidates who Mr Trump did not endorse.

Every thing Trump touches dies.

[Grapemask]

This sentence is in an actual executive order. A serious document that was probably written by adults and will be part of our national history.

As recently as last week, Representative Adam Schiff was continuing to mislead his followers by peddling the long-disproved Russian Collusion Hoax, and Twitter did not flag those tweets.

So much stupidity because a liar had a lie icon put next to his lies.

[Edge-]

https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1266116590908706816

So, a dash of racism but...Trump actually said, without missing a beat

"I just got back from India, right? I just beat Covid. I'm back, I know they like me in India certainly more than the media like me in this country."

This was in response to a question about the situation on the boarder between India and China.

When did this happen and why has nobody told us yet?

[solinari6]

When did this happen and why has nobody told us yet?

It sure does put him wandering around everywhere without a mask in a different light.

[Smitzelplix]

Kind of messed up that its his wife that says that but it gets attributed to him.

My bad on who said it. I think my second sentence still is accurate, when Chuck's wife said that I don't think she ever imagined it was going to be the Republicans that would truly start the thousand years of darkness.

[Redwyrm]

That train has left the station years ago dude.

Thankfully one person alone cannot tarnish something beyond repair. Trump is an oaf and a buffoon. And anybody with a brain realises that he basically strolled into the office of President on the backs of the stupid and guillable. If it's a one off thing, people (hopefully) will chaulk it up to America had a brain fart, elected an idiot and our Republic will correct itself accordingly. Next President goes on an apology tour (a real one, not the fake type the Right said Obama did) and reasssures the world that the grownups are back in charge. And then takes a pen and restores every protection/regulation Trump dismantled.

If he is re-elected or someone equally as dump is elected, then the office is officially fucked. And we only have ourselves to blame.

[Low Hanging Fruit]

Pandemic threatens nation and the world.... "Nothing to worry about, it will just go away, doesn't matter at all" (a few months go by) "ok ok we will do something.."

Twitter calls President on a lie... "EXECUTIVE ORDER THE NEXT DAY GOD DAMN IT!"

[Draco-Onis]

Thankfully one person alone cannot tarnish something beyond repair. Trump is an oaf and a buffoon. And anybody with a brain realises that he basically strolled into the office of President on the backs of the stupid and guillable. If it's a one off thing, people (hopefully) will chaulk it up to America had a brain fart, elected an idiot and our Republic will correct itself accordingly. Next President goes on an apology tour (a real one, not the fake type the Right said Obama did) and reasssures the world that the grownups are back in charge. And then takes a pen and restores every protection/regulation Trump dismantled.

If he is re-elected or someone equally as dump is elected, then the office is officially fucked. And we only have ourselves to blame.

I think the damage is done because put it simply if America can elect Trump once it can elect another Trump type again.