Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[DarkTZeratul]

It halfway was. Same as the last 20 years or so. McConnell can't pass anything without Pelosi's stamp of approval, and vice versa.

Trump still signed it, of course. Oh, except that one time he caused a Trump Shutdown. But other than that, he signed it, he's complicit.

Trump promised massive tax cuts and massive spending, while promising a balanced budget. McConnell didn't. Pelosi didn't. Trump is the lying loser here.

And actually, with the tax cut for the rich, it wasn't even halfway the Democrats in the House. They didn't control it, the Republicans didn't work with them, and they pushed it through using a method by which they didn't need a single Democratic vote (and as I recall, they didn't get a single Democratic vote either).

[PhaelixWW]

So.

I don't know if this is SUPPOSED to be a parody or not, however I will comment that this poll has no information verification:

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/landing...mp-vs-dem-poll

Do your thing internet.

Questionnaire submitted.

But then it had me at a "please contribute" page. I wished there was a question field, so I could ask: "But who should I make the check out to? A Lying Democrat? A Radical Socialist Democrat? A Corrupt Democrat? ..."

[Themius]

So.

I don't know if this is SUPPOSED to be a parody or not, however I will comment that this poll has no information verification:

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/landing...mp-vs-dem-poll

Do your thing internet.

Wow... lol for real he's like what 2 years old?

[Thepersona]

Wow... lol for real he's like what 2 years old?

The funny thing? i can answer that poll. I live in chile and obviously cant vote in the US.

[Breccia]

So McConnell was asked about the statues in the US Capitol, of course, specifically the Confederate ones in the National Statutory Hall--

"Statuary".

Sorry.

Every state is allowed two statues, they can trade them out at any time ... a number of states are trading them out now. But I think that's the appropriate way to deal with the statue issue. The states make that decision.

I think the appropriate way to deal with this issue is to stick with the tradition

Ah, yes, "tradition". Traditionally, we used to own slaves and women couldn't vote. Also wasn't Lincoln a Republican? The Republican Party likes saying that.

McConnnell was asked his personal opinion on if the Confederate status should stay or go, but he refused to answer.

"Which statues are from McConnell's state?"

Actually, they are Ephraim McDowell and Henry Clay, links provided by dot-gov sites, but long story short, both died before the Civil War started.

[Belize]

The funny thing? i can answer that poll. I live in chile and obviously cant vote in the US.

Any poll's a goal!

[DarkTZeratul]

Actually, they are Ephraim McDowell and Henry Clay, links provided by dot-gov sites, but long story short, both died before the Civil War started.

A doctor and a legislator. Surprisingly, nothing too objectionable on the face of it.

[draynay]

The funny thing? i can answer that poll. I live in chile and obviously cant vote in the US.

But you can give money since its just a landing page for the donation site and Trump never troubles himself over where the money comes from.

[Thepersona]

So McConnell was asked about the statues in the US Capitol, of course, specifically the Confederate ones in the National Statutory Hall--

"Statuary".

Sorry.



Ah, yes, "tradition". Traditionally, we used to own slaves and women couldn't vote. Also wasn't Lincoln a Republican? The Republican Party likes saying that.

McConnnell was asked his personal opinion on if the Confederate status should stay or go, but he refused to answer.

"Which statues are from McConnell's state?"

Actually, they are Ephraim McDowell and Henry Clay, links provided by dot-gov sites, but long story short, both died before the Civil War started.

Tradition, as in, "we used to rape 14 year old girls and then marry them into their rapist".
Yeah, good tactic to use the tradition card.

[Breccia]

Biden leads Trump by three points in Florida.

"Let me guess, poll of all voters, well Trump clearly said only likely voters matter so --"

It was likely voters.

"...it was clearly CNN or some other librul elite commie--"

The group is Cygnal, a Republican go-to, as shown here by this previous Georgia poll from May 1.

An internal poll conducted for the Georgia House GOP Caucus points to troubling signs for Republican leaders: President Donald Trump is deadlocked with Joe Biden and voters aren’t giving the White House, Gov. Brian Kemp or the Legislature high marks for the coronavirus response.

The poll also suggests trouble for U.S. Sen. Kelly Loeffler, showing the former financial executive with 11% of the vote and essentially tied with Democrats Matt Lieberman and Raphael Warnock. U.S. Rep. Doug Collins leads the November field with 29% of the vote, and outdoes Loeffler among Republicans by a 62-18 margin.

The survey, obtained by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, was conducted by the political polling and research firm Cygnal between April 25-27 and it involved 591 likely voters. The margin of error is 4 percentage points.

"...you're going to make a joke like 'the Cygnal's getting blurry' or something, aren't you?"

Wow, that's better than what I had. I was stuck on baby swans.

Trump won Florida by about six votes, one of which was probably an alligator. Now it joins Texas and Ohio as battlegrounds leaning Biden.

[Themius]

A doctor and a legislator. Surprisingly, nothing too objectionable on the face of it.

Probably has something to do with him owning slaves and using slaves as test subjects

Like think unit 732, or the experiments nazis did on people. Except on slaves, but now also celebrated...

[Breccia]

A doctor and a legislator. Surprisingly, nothing too objectionable on the face of it.

I will admit, I wrote the first half of that post without finding out who they actually were. I was surprised too. But McConnell now has an easy out: his state doesn't have to make that decision, because his state has already made the decision, and the answer was "No Confederates".

[Thepersona]

Probably has something to do with him owning slaves and using slaves as test subjects

Like thank unit 732, or the experience nazis did on people. Except on slaves, but now also celebrated...

The only good thing that came from the the prisoner camps was when the inmates revolted and killed their captors

[rayvio]

Oh, another update.



It's being moved to a "secure location".

a museum. with BLM placards

full story here

Bristol’s mayor Marvin Rees had previously confirmed the statue would be exhibited in a museum, alongside placards from the Black Lives Matter protest.

[Breccia]

It's time once again for Guess the Speaker, double header!

Take back your city NOW. If you don't do it, I will.

Make us all safe. Go back to your bunker.

Yep, that's Trump and the mayor of Seattle. Hey, remember when little feuds like this weren't a daily occurrence? Also, remember when US Presidents didn't threaten to invade US cities and usurp them?

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UPDATE: Senate Armed Forces panel votes to rename those bases.

UPDATE UPDATE: Why have one amendment when you can have two? Now Trump can veto them both!

The U.S. Senate Armed Services Committee said on Thursday it had approved an amendment that would make it illegal to deploy the military against peaceful protesters, amid a national uproar over the harsh response to demonstrations over the deaths of African Americans in the hands of police.

Committee leaders told a news conference the panel had approved an amendment introduced by Democratic Senator Tim Kaine to the National Defense Authorization Act, or NDAA, saying the military should not be used against a lawful assembly by U.S. citizens.

Funny, we made it about 250 years without an amendment like this being necessary. Suddenly we have one.

[Felya]

Yep, that's Trump and the mayor of Seattle. Hey, remember when little feuds like this weren't a daily occurrence? Also, remember when US Presidents didn't threaten to invade US cities and usurp them?

My work is giving everyone a volunteering paid day, because there will be a massive walk out in Seattle tomorrow. Not participating... it’s my last day until furlough starts Monday...

[Thekri]

UPDATE UPDATE: Why have one amendment when you can have two? Now Trump can veto them both!

The President cannot veto an amendment. In order to stop this, he has to veto the NDAA. Which is... wow.

For those who don't know, the National Defense Authorization Act is an annual bill that sets the spending and authorization limits for the US military. It is the loophole that allows the US to maintain a Federal Military (Something that is specifically disallowed in the Constitution, but it is phrased as the not being funded for more then two years, so we just pass a new one ever year). If the NDAA isn't passed, troops do not get paid. Not getting paid is not going to be a popular policy position with the troops.

The NDAA also tends to get used for a bunch of big ticket stuff because it is basically unvetoable. It is why the AUMF got crammed into an NDAA, which had gems like indefinite military detention of US Citizens. But Vetoing this means deliberately refusing to pay our military for potentially months. If he tries this, the military is likely to just go ahead and change the names on their own authority, thus avoiding the controversy of being forced too by Congress. Trump will be lucky if Fort Bragg doesn't get renamed "Fort Black Lives Matter" just to spite him.

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Yep, that's Trump and the mayor of Seattle. Hey, remember when little feuds like this weren't a daily occurrence? Also, remember when US Presidents didn't threaten to invade US cities and usurp them?

Basically Trump here is threatening to invade a US City AND not pay Troops at the same time.

Bold move Cotton. Let's see how that works out for ya.

[Breccia]

Bold move Cotton. Let's see how that works out for ya.

Actually it is about the future a bit. Let's look at the options.

1) Trump signs the NDAA and does not send troops to Seattle

This, of course, is what every President would do. For Trump, it would be yet another emasculating defeat: to both threaten to invade a city and not do it, and to threaten to veto a bill that would prevent him from invading a city, and not do it.

As I keep saying because it's still true, saying you will do something evil, then not doing it, does not make you a good person. It makes you a less evil person than you said you were going to be.

2) Trump quickly invades Seattle before signing the NDAA preventing him from invading other cities

Based 100% on the massive turnout of his own military against him, I find this unlikely.

3) Trump vetoes the NDAA but doesn't invade Seattle

I think this is the most likely option, because he has two reasons to veto it: so that he can invade cities, and also so he can support the racist slave-owning traitors to our country known as the Confederacy. (At least the slave owners in the Union weren't traitors...which is a pretty low bar to clear)

4) Trump vetoes the NDAA and also invades Seattle

Like you said, troops don't get a pay raise and are ordered to fire on peaceful protestors and looters alike. If Trump's polls took a hit for a photo op, I can only imagine what would happen following a domestic use of lethal force on unarmed civilians. Because if this happens, things will escalate and troops will fire actual metal bullets this time.

It would no longer be possible to claim "Trump's not a dictator" and the world, already backing away slowly, would turn its back and run. I honestly think we'd see sanctions placed against us -- legally.

And I worry about the violence when federal troops uninvited assault a US city. A US city that has its own police, its own National Guard...and most importantly, sympathetic neighbors.

There would be no way to spin this to Trump's credit. The best possible resolution would be the troops Trump sends to defy orders and either leave or surrender. And the protests would escalate basically everywhere else.

Option 4 is a nonstarter. Not even Trump would be stupid enough to do this -- there aren't even Fantasy Land projections where this works out in his favor.

[Xyonai]

So Trump's set to begin a round table in Dallas with law enforcement about race relations.... Except he didn't invite the Dallas County DA, the country Sharif, or the Police chief.

I'm sure them all being black is just a coincidence.

[Poopymonster]

Actually it is about the future a bit. Let's look at the options.

1) Trump signs the NDAA and does not send troops to Seattle

This, of course, is what every President would do. For Trump, it would be yet another emasculating defeat: to both threaten to invade a city and not do it, and to threaten to veto a bill that would prevent him from invading a city, and not do it.

As I keep saying because it's still true, saying you will do something evil, then not doing it, does not make you a good person. It makes you a less evil person than you said you were going to be.

2) Trump quickly invades Seattle before signing the NDAA preventing him from invading other cities

Based 100% on the massive turnout of his own military against him, I find this unlikely.

3) Trump vetoes the NDAA but doesn't invade Seattle

I think this is the most likely option, because he has two reasons to veto it: so that he can invade cities, and also so he can support the racist slave-owning traitors to our country known as the Confederacy. (At least the slave owners in the Union weren't traitors...which is a pretty low bar to clear)

4) Trump vetoes the NDAA and also invades Seattle

Like you said, troops don't get a pay raise and are ordered to fire on peaceful protestors and looters alike. If Trump's polls took a hit for a photo op, I can only imagine what would happen following a domestic use of lethal force on unarmed civilians. Because if this happens, things will escalate and troops will fire actual metal bullets this time.

It would no longer be possible to claim "Trump's not a dictator" and the world, already backing away slowly, would turn its back and run. I honestly think we'd see sanctions placed against us -- legally.

And I worry about the violence when federal troops uninvited assault a US city. A US city that has its own police, its own National Guard...and most importantly, sympathetic neighbors.

There would be no way to spin this to Trump's credit. The best possible resolution would be the troops Trump sends to defy orders and either leave or surrender. And the protests would escalate basically everywhere else.

Option 4 is a nonstarter. Not even Trump would be stupid enough to do this -- there aren't even Fantasy Land projections where this works out in his favor.

It'd be like the South Park Chinpokomon episode. When Red goes to the Japanese company about the toys.

Why yes Mister President, if you send in the troops to smash the darkies and the antifa traitor terrorist commie pinko fags the world will see how manly you are. Macho man. You have huge hands. Very big. That would prove it.