Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Elegiac]

Gentlefolk of the academy; the one in which the DOJ has successfully filed a restraining order against the City of Seattle, preventing them from issuing an ordinance on the use of tear gas and other things basically considered war crimes against protesters.

[DarkTZeratul]

God they're not even pretending to not emulate the nazis.
This or they're really desperate

To be clear, it's not the government telling people to go home and die. It's the hospitals having so many cases that they literally can't treat everyone and are having to make hard choices.

[Poopymonster]

To be clear, it's not the government telling people to go home and die. It's the hospitals having so many cases that they literally can't treat everyone and are having to make hard choices.

In Texas? *gasp*

May the Invisible Hand of the Free Market guide them safely to their homes, then hold the pillow over their faces. No, wait, they have enough trouble breathing as it is...

[Twdft]

To be clear, it's not the government telling people to go home and die. It's the hospitals having so many cases that they literally can't treat everyone and are having to make hard choices.

But the government could have prevented it by taking the virus a bit more fucking serious.

[Dontrike]

Thanks for your back-handed admission of your hypocrisy...and sharing your pathetic low resolution rationalization used to justify it.

What part of "others do it, but no one does it as often or as badly as him" is hypocrisy? Seriously, Trump fucking thinks some stupid shit and says it often. Again, you coming up with "Obama accidentally said a different number, WHAT A DUMBASS!" while ignoring hundreds, if not thousands, of retarded sayings from Trump is you being the hypocrite.

You couldn't even explain away the ones I stated above. Let's not forget he also said you needed an I.D. to buy groceries, the virus would disappear by April (and the dozens times he said it would just disappear on its own), shit like this, shit like this, shit like this...

"It's like in golf... A lot of people - I don't want this to sound trivial - but a lot of people are switching to these really long putters, very unattractive... it's weird. You see these great players with these really long putters, because they can't sink three-footers anymore. And, I hate it. I am a traditionalist. I have so many fabulous friends who happen to be gay, but I am a traditionalist."

the time he couldn't remember the word brain to say he has a good brain, when he said he was an extremely stable genius, the entirety of the wall idea, wanting to nuke a hurricane, wanting to water bomb a church, all of the shit he said Putin and Kim was so great (there's a few hundred there), and there's even more beyond that.

Again, you go ahead and explain away each and every single idiotic and moronic thing Trump has said then find as many of the same level of idiotic shit said by any other president ever and maybe you'd have a point, but until then all you are is another zealot screeching in the wind.

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Joe Biden is a gaffe machine...so if you have a problem with FREQUENCY, you're in for a rude awaking...assuming such a thing is possible with you.

Gaffes and being pure stupid are different.

Again, find as many that are as bad and as frequent as Trump and you may have a point, until then though you're just talking out your ass.

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I'll raise you https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/24/us/te...rus/index.html

Texas hospital so overwhelmed, they are sending severe patients home to die.

Good thing the Republicans stopped that dastardly Obama and his death panels so we can have Trump sponsored death panels.

[Odinfrost]

So Trump has signed four executive orders to lower prescription drugs.
That's honestly a good thing, though the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA, how clever...) disagrees and says that this will hurt the US in the long run.
Now, I haven't read the orders, so I don't know what it contains in detail, but by PhRMA's statement I assume that it either contains no alternative to medical research funding (as that is included in the high medicine prices) or PhRMA is greedy which would surprise absolutely no one.
There is also the issue that the lowered prices is also due to some of the medicine will be imported from other (socialist (as said by PhRMA)) countries which may cause a reduction in quality.

So now, if you will excuse me, I will take this ridiculous long sip of water until someone points out how those EO's are actually just bad for everyone involved. "SIIIIIIII-"

[TSLM]

=leading to the deaths of tens of thousands of Americans"[/I]=

it will be hundreds of thousands by election day

[Felya]

What even is America at this point....


What country am I looking at here?
I've been told America, but that surely can't be true!

The wall of vets... damn... couple of those signs...

https://twitter.com/ByMikeBaker/stat...84473934503936

[Stormspark]

What even is America at this point....


What country am I looking at here?
I've been told America, but that surely can't be true!

Third world banana republic.

[Felya]

Just because we’re battling with Brazil for most daily covid deaths while committing war crimes against protesters... fuck.

Hey... at least our glorious leader does not have covid! Tiger blood! Winning!

[Themius]

https://apnews.com/c9b671b206060f2e9654f0a4eaeb6388

The Trump administration has been holding children, in secret, inside hotels along the border then expelling them. Furthermore they are not allowed legal help and on top of all this... private security has roughed up people offering help.

The Trump administration is detaining immigrant children as young as 1 in hotels, sometimes for weeks, before deporting them to their home countries under policies that have effectively shut down the nation’s asylum system during the coronavirus pandemic, according to documents obtained by The Associated Press.

A private contractor for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement is taking children to three Hampton Inn & Suites hotels in Arizona and at the Texas-Mexico border, where they are typically detained for several days, the records show. The hotels have been used nearly 200 times, while more than 10,000 beds for children sit empty at government shelters

Federal anti-trafficking laws and a two-decade-old court settlement that governs the treatment of migrant children require that most kids be sent to the shelters for eventual placement with family sponsors. But President Donald Trump’s administration is now immediately expelling people seeking asylum in the U.S., relying on a public health declaration to set aside those rules.

Lawyers and advocates say housing unaccompanied migrant children in hotels exposes them to the risk of trauma as they’re detained in places not designed to hold them and cared for by contractors with unclear credentials. They are challenging the use of hotels as detention spaces under the Flores court settlement.

“They’ve created a shadow system in which there’s no accountability for expelling very young children,” said Leecia Welch, an attorney at the nonprofit National Center for Youth Law. “There really aren’t enough words to describe what a disgraceful example of sacrificing children this is to advance heartless immigration policies.

Parked outside were unmarked white vans with the silhouettes of adults and children visible through the windows, Lopez said. He didn’t see logos or insignia for any government agencies on the vans or in the hotel.

The records obtained by AP show the Hampton Inn in McAllen was used most often to detain children — 123 times over two months. The other hotels are in Phoenix and El Paso.

At least two 1-year-olds were held for three days. But some young children, including 3- to 5-year-olds, were detained for two weeks or longer. One 5-year-old was detained for 19 days in the McAllen hotel.

The records indicate the children were not accompanied by a parent but don’t say more about the circumstances of their crossing the border. In the past, some very young children have been brought by older siblings or other relatives. Others have been sent by parents waiting for their court dates in refugee camps on the U.S.-Mexico border with hopes they will be placed with relatives.

Karla Vargas, a Texas Civil Rights Project lawyer, represented a 13-year-old girl who was detained in a hotel and later expelled to El Salvador. Vargas said border agents didn’t tell the girl’s mother in the U.S. that they had detained her daughter. A person who crossed the border with the girl called her mother.

[Breccia]

FOX News gets in an on-the-air tussle with Trump's campaign as to whether or not FOX News polls are fake news.

Wanna see the video?

This is where I say "it's on FOX News so no blaming Fake News today!" but you know what, call it Fake News all you want. It means you have nothing left. Nothing. Just to stick your fingers in your ears and say "BLA BLA BLA I will only listen to Trump BLA BLA BLA". And I welcome your admission of such.

Or, you could admit that FOX News, and by extension everyone else running the same stories with the same info, is real. And that Trump is really doing that poorly.

What do you think? 24 hours seems good enough. As always, failure to answer means I choose for you and also you admit you're a craven coward for refusing to answer.

[Benggaul]

This is where I say "it's on FOX News so no blaming Fake News today!" but you know what, call it Fake News all you want. It means you have nothing left. Nothing.

Well there's always OANN...
*bursts out laughing*

[Breccia]

So let's talk about fucked.

It's Florida.

Florida has pushed New York down and are now the state with the second most cases, with California being first.

I just want to make it clear to the American public — what we have right now are essentially three New Yorks with these three major states. And so, we're really having to respond as an American people, and that's why you hear us calling for masks and increased social distancing to really stop the spread of this epidemic.

-- Dr. Birx

[Benggaul]

So let's talk about fucked.

It's Florida.

Florida has pushed New York down and are now the state with the second most cases, with California being first.


-- Dr. Birx

Hmm, worldometers has New York at about 439k, but Florida was going to catch up to them in a few days anyway. Cali is at about 443k according to them. No matter the metric: Fuck Florida.

[Felya]

So let's talk about fucked.

It's Florida.

Florida has pushed New York down and are now the state with the second most cases, with California being first.

-- Dr. Birx

Isn’t that just natural progression of NYC life? You build this hard skin living in NYC, then move to Florida when you give up.

[DarkTZeratul]

So Trump has signed four executive orders to lower prescription drugs.
That's honestly a good thing, though the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA, how clever...) disagrees and says that this will hurt the US in the long run.
Now, I haven't read the orders, so I don't know what it contains in detail, but by PhRMA's statement I assume that it either contains no alternative to medical research funding (as that is included in the high medicine prices) or PhRMA is greedy which would surprise absolutely no one.
There is also the issue that the lowered prices is also due to some of the medicine will be imported from other (socialist (as said by PhRMA)) countries which may cause a reduction in quality.

So now, if you will excuse me, I will take this ridiculous long sip of water until someone points out how those EO's are actually just bad for everyone involved. "SIIIIIIII-"

I was reading an article last night about how, essentially, they're largely meaningless. They'll either result in a negligible impact on consumer pricing, or take months to take effect (if ever):

https://www.npr.org/2020/07/24/89529...on-drug-prices

For instance, one executive order involves passing on discounts negotiated by insurance middlemen called pharmacy benefit managers at the pharmacy counter — to Medicare patients. (These discounts typically go toward lowering premiums overall, instead.) However, this order includes a section that says that before it can take effect, the secretary of health and human services needs to confirm that the order won't cause federal spending, premiums or patients' total out-of-pocket costs to increase. Since one of these is bound to result from the executive order, it likely will never go into effect.

[Zan15]

I was reading an article last night about how, essentially, they're largely meaningless. They'll either result in a negligible impact on consumer pricing, or take months to take effect (if ever):

https://www.npr.org/2020/07/24/89529...on-drug-prices

its just like his past actions that then saw huge price increases anyway

https://www.goodrx.com/blog/january-...ce-hikes-2020/

So far in 2020:

639 drugs have increased by an average of 6%.
619 brand drugs have increased by an average of 5.2%.
20 generic drugs have increased by an average of 29.4%.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/drug-pr...mes-inflation/

2019:

More than 3,400 drugs have boosted their prices in the first six months of 2019, an increase of 17% in the number of drug hikes from a year earlier.
The average price hike is 10.5%, or 5 times the rate of inflation.

[Rasulis]

Well there's always OANN...
*bursts out laughing*

I don't think OANN even has it's own reporters.

[PhaelixWW]

I don't think OANN even has it's own reporters.

So a google search turned up this hilarious comparison: