Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Draco-Onis]

But the main focus should be trumps strategy. Hes assuming a loss now surely, so how does he steal it? create the narrative and then contest the result.

1) Trump's new lackey post master general screws up the system badly so mail in voting takes forever, Trump declares fraud because of the delay calls the election void.
2) Say there's too much fraud going on deploy the gestapo which he has been trial running to take over swing states to rig the vote for him.
3) Declare a national emergency due to COVID and delay the election indefinitely.
4) Actively help the Russians hack the system so the vote goes in his favor.
5) Rile up his supporters enough that they do something to the democratic nominees.

There's a really long list, the problem is even if Trump lose the elections he still has what 10 weeks where he can pull a number of shenanigans to stay in power.

[Adam Jensen]

Trump trying to delegitimize a presidential election in an opnely fascist manner.
Pelosi responds with the most facile and embarassing insults for that "yas kweeen slay!" response on twitter.

Responding to Trump's comment about delaying the election with the actual constitutional text stating why he can't isn't "a facile and embarrassing insult." It's to point out that "no, only Congress can do this, and Congress isn't doing this."

[Thee ANCOM]

I love when people think being a toddler is the correct response to a toddler’s temper tantrums. Good luck with that.

you have more respect for Trump and his supporters than I do then. which is a shame becasue they will never return it in kind.

[Edge-]

you have more respect for Trump and his supporters than I do then. which is a shame becasue they will never return it in kind.

I mean...she's called Trump out in his threat to democracy before, she doesn't need to feed his distraction by creating a media dust up.

Remember, Trump is likely going on the "DELAY THE ELECTION?!?!" nonsense to fucking troll and distract from a 33% fucking drop in GDP. He's trying to bury that headline, and drama between the Speaker of the House and POTUS will do that perfectly.

Pelosi needs to response politically, and she made the right play here. Don't fuel the TMZ-esque media headlines that political reporting has fallen into (TWITTER BEEF BETWEEN RAND PAUL AND LIZ CHENEY!!!) which will absolutely serve to help bury the GDP news. She responded with the letter of the law, which was all that was needed.

It may not feel as emotionally satisfying as watcher her lay into him, but it's the smarter move.

[arandomuser]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/her...th-coronavirus

were they not able to give him hydroxichloriquine fast enough?

[Thee ANCOM]

Responding to Trump's comment about delaying the election with the actual constitutional text stating why he can't isn't "a facile and embarrassing insult." It's to point out that "no, only Congress can do this, and Congress isn't doing this."

it is facile, she should be passionately condeming what Trump is suggesting. what's she got to lose? what do we as a representative republic have to lose by rightly pointing out the threats to it? everything. fascim doesn't come into effect over night. it creeps up because those in power either don't care, or don't understand what is coming.

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I mean...she's called Trump out in his threat to democracy before, she doesn't need to feed his distraction by creating a media dust up.

Remember, Trump is likely going on the "DELAY THE ELECTION?!?!" nonsense to fucking troll and distract from a 33% fucking drop in GDP. He's trying to bury that headline, and drama between the Speaker of the House and POTUS will do that perfectly.

Pelosi needs to response politically, and she made the right play here. Don't fuel the TMZ-esque media headlines that political reporting has fallen into (TWITTER BEEF BETWEEN RAND PAUL AND LIZ CHENEY!!!) which will absolutely serve to help bury the GDP news. She responded with the letter of the law, which was all that was needed.

It may not feel as emotionally satisfying as watcher her lay into him, but it's the smarter move.

if this was a normal year, I'd agree with that.

[cubby]

Combined with him not being able to raise his arm, this has every symptom of a stroke.

Now, I wonder if it's: Stress, a poor diet and age
Or: he's one of the people who Coronavirus didn't affect his lungs, but created a bunch of blood clots instead.

Stroke seems unlikely, just because the effects are specific and we're not seeing "drooping" in other areas. However, people had mentioned a degenerative disease, from the inability to raise arms AND that escort walk down the ramp, and perhaps the foot issue is just the disease progressing from that.

[Edge-]

if this was a normal year, I'd agree with that.

Again, it's the smarter media move. Going hard after Trump turns the attention to the spat between the Speaker and POTUS. That's where media, and people, will be looking.

Democrats don't benefit from that, and as Trump likes to call her, "Nancy", is a party gal. Democrats benefit from toning it down and letting the crushing economic news dominate the headlines today. Because that headline falls on Trump. There are other times to go after Trump hard, and I think Democrats haven't gone after him hard enough overall, but this ain't it.

[Omega10]

I mean...she's called Trump out in his threat to democracy before, she doesn't need to feed his distraction by creating a media dust up.

Remember, Trump is likely going on the "DELAY THE ELECTION?!?!" nonsense to fucking troll and distract from a 33% fucking drop in GDP. He's trying to bury that headline, and drama between the Speaker of the House and POTUS will do that perfectly.

Pelosi needs to response politically, and she made the right play here. Don't fuel the TMZ-esque media headlines that political reporting has fallen into (TWITTER BEEF BETWEEN RAND PAUL AND LIZ CHENEY!!!) which will absolutely serve to help bury the GDP news. She responded with the letter of the law, which was all that was needed.

It may not feel as emotionally satisfying as watcher her lay into him, but it's the smarter move.

I'm not against her creating a media dust up. And she can do both THE GDP IS DOWN OVER 30% AND HE IS DESTROYING OUR DEMOCRACY tweets, no need to choose.

She is basically the leader of the democratic party. Even more so than Biden. It would be quite helpful for her to lay into him. If not now... then WHEN?

Her style would not have to be as stupid and infantile as Trump's, but it needs to be strong. And consistent. Every day.

She has staff members. Have a team of 5 of them put together hourly tweets. It IS important to fight Trump at his game. Why??? HIS GAME HAS BEEN WORKING. It is too risky to not strongly counter his threats in very strong ways.

[zEmini]

So once again the President is crying to delay the election. November can't come soon enough.

[Edge-]

https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...support-2020-7

Reminder: Trump owes $2M+ in bills to cities where he hosted his rallies, mostly to cover the additional cost of security and overtime for law enforcement.

Trump doesn't give a shit about cops if he has to pay them, only if they're assaulting libs.

[Breccia]

3) Declare a national emergency due to COVID and delay the election indefinitely.

The Constitution prevents this. He can't do that.

You might have a point on everything else, but hopefully, the only states that would follow his lead would be the ones that were going to vote for him anyhow. And I still would hope the rest of the world would just shut down all relations, including trade, until the US removes their dictator.

[Belize]

Stroke seems unlikely, just because the effects are specific and we're not seeing "drooping" in other areas. However, people had mentioned a degenerative disease, from the inability to raise arms AND that escort walk down the ramp, and perhaps the foot issue is just the disease progressing from that.

My medical courses are a lot of years back, but facial drooping is not an absolute when dealing with strokes. He has all the symptoms of someone with left hemisphere damage, considering his right side is impaired. Or at the very least cranial nerve damage.

Degenerative diseases don't usually progress that fast where one day you're walking fine then the next you start dragging. My aunt passed away of a degenerative problem, and it was a slow and long decline.

The effects of a left hemisphere stroke may include:

Right-sided weakness or paralysis and sensory impairment
Problems with speech and understanding language (aphasia)
Visual problems, including the inability to see the right visual field of each eye
Impaired ability to do math or to organize, reason, and analyze items
Behavioral changes, such as depression, cautiousness, and hesitancy
Impaired ability to read, write, and learn new information
Memory problems

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/heal...ects-of-stroke

[Thekri]

you have more respect for Trump and his supporters than I do then. which is a shame becasue they will never return it in kind.

It isn't that, it is more that Trump has the immature toddler voting base already wrapped up. If the Democrats sink to equal levels of farcical theater, they will lose their own base.

I know it feels like Trump is winning, just because he is still there. He objectively isn't. He is failing in every single metric, the democratic strategy is working. Trump isn't tweeting about voter fraud and postponing the election because he is winning, he is grasping at it because he is losing the entire country. He is failing, floundering, and grasping at anything that could save him. There is no indication that his attempts to delegitimize or delay the election will be any more successful then every other desperate measure he has already failed to do.

We are winning, don't switch strategies now. Stay the course, keep the pressure on, keep our own morals, and remain faithful to what we believe in. We don't need to be more like Trump, we need to be less like him.

[Felya]

Well I mean... At this point... Yeah.

I hear the bunker passed inspection...

[cubby]

My medical courses are a lot of years back, but facial drooping is not an absolute when dealing with strokes. He has all the symptoms of someone with left hemisphere damage, considering his right side is impaired. Or at the very least cranial nerve damage.

Degenerative diseases don't usually progress that fast where one day you're walking fine then the next you start dragging. My aunt passed away of a degenerative problem, and it was a slow and long decline.

The effects of a left hemisphere stroke may include:

Right-sided weakness or paralysis and sensory impairment
Problems with speech and understanding language (aphasia)
Visual problems, including the inability to see the right visual field of each eye
Impaired ability to do math or to organize, reason, and analyze items
Behavioral changes, such as depression, cautiousness, and hesitancy
Impaired ability to read, write, and learn new information
Memory problems

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/heal...ects-of-stroke

Well my medical courses are so far back it's like they never happened.... Seriously though, all I learned about medicine was from E.R., Gray's Anatomy (I'm a board certified surgeon on Netflix), and House.

Back to topic....

The twitter link had been removed when I got to this issue, so I couldn't see the foot drag. But those symptoms sound like he's been suffering from small left hemisphere strokes for awhile now. Not really joking, either.

[Felya]

you have more respect for Trump and his supporters than I do then. which is a shame becasue they will never return it in kind.

I think that means he has more respect for you. If they act like childish cunts, how are you succeeding in them dragging you down with them?

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I have more respect for the American people at large. His die hard supporters won’t be reached by childish name calling.

Instead of matching on childish, match on populist. It’s pretty easy to argue socialism, as populist.

[Thee ANCOM]

It isn't that, it is more that Trump has the immature toddler voting base already wrapped up. If the Democrats sink to equal levels of farcical theater, they will lose their own base.

you mean screaming about Russian interferance wasn't side show enough to meet that criteria? I don't like/Trust Putin but Rachel Maddow makes this whole point moot IMHO.

I know it feels like Trump is winning, just because he is still there. He objectively isn't. He is failing in every single metric, the democratic strategy is working. Trump isn't tweeting about voter fraud and postponing the election because he is winning, he is grasping at it because he is losing the entire country. He is failing, floundering, and grasping at anything that could save him. There is no indication that his attempts to delegitimize or delay the election will be any more successful then every other desperate measure he has already failed to do.

I'm aware he's not in a winning position and I'm even more aware of the fact that if COVID-19 never happened this election would be a lap up victory for Trump.

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I have more respect for the American people at large. His die hard supporters won’t be reached by childish name calling.

they can't be reached, they might as well be zombies.

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I think that means he has more respect for you. If they act like childish cunts, how are you succeeding in them dragging you down with them?

I'M NOT A FASCIST! that right there is why I'll never be on their level.

[Edge-]

you mean screaming about Russian interferance wasn't side show enough to meet that criteria?

You mean the interference that has been repeatedly confirmed to have occurred? That went unpunished by Trump, who instead repeatedly agreed with Putin's position, which was in direct contradiction to the conclusion of the US intelligence community? I mean, I don't recall Democrats engaging in farcical theater on that, and Rachael Maddow is a MSNBC host, not a Democratic official.

I'm aware he's not in a winning position and I'm even more aware of the fact that if COVID-19 never happened this election would be a lap up victory for Trump.

Even without it, unlikely. It would make polling much closer right now for sure, but given the results of the 2018 election this position isn't supported by anything.

[Molis]

And there you have it.


Worth noting again that his crusade against mail-in voting is nothing but bullshit. He votes that way himself and hasn't been able to show any notable, effective evidence that it would be a problem.

Hello President Pelosi?

Give him what he wants delay the fucking election. He does not know how that will play out. He thinks he remains president.