Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Benggaul]

Guys, I think I just solved the national debt problem.

Set up a livestream and charge admission to this:

Report: Trump Plans to Barricade Himself in the Oval Office and Refuse to Come Out If Biden Wins

[Templar 331]

Guys, I think I just solved the national debt problem.

Set up a livestream and charge admission to this:

Report: Trump Plans to Barricade Himself in the Oval Office and Refuse to Come Out If Biden Wins

Any bets on Trump trying to get the Secret Service to shoot on site after Biden is sworn in? Anyone?

I'm hoping we tar and feather Trump's ass while he's dragged out of the White House.

[Kallisto]

Any bets on Trump trying to get the Secret Service to shoot on site after Biden is sworn in? Anyone?

I'm hoping we tar and feather Trump's ass while he's dragged out of the White House.

Well, the white house will need a deep clean and disinfecting after the covid super spreading that's been going on in there once Trump leaves and before Biden enters.

[Zaktar]

Any bets on Trump trying to get the Secret Service to shoot on site after Biden is sworn in? Anyone?

I'm hoping we tar and feather Trump's ass while he's dragged out of the White House.

He'll put up exactly as much of a fight as he thinks he has to, in order to sell the notion that he believes the election was rigged. Maybe he even does believe it on some level, but the man is fundamentally a coward so there will be no need. When it's time for him to go he'll do it in whatever way he thinks best serves his image.

[Benggaul]

So, I was counting on there being a 26-27k increase over last week's numbers today. *sigh*

132,540 new cases; about 31k more than last Friday and another new national record.

Illinois: 10,578 new cases (new record); 84 deaths
Texas: 9,239 new cases; 124 deaths
California: 6,645 new cases; 75 deaths
Wisconsin: 6,141 new cases (new record); 62 deaths
Minnesota: 5,442 new cases (new record); 36 deaths
Fuck Florida.
Ohio: 4,997 new cases (new record); 32 deaths
Kansas: 4,726 new cases (new record); 79 deaths (new record)
Indiana: 4,647 new cases (new record); 36 deaths
Michigan: 4,246 new cases; 47 deaths
Missouri: 4,105 new cases; 15 deaths (no new record for cases today but yesterday's numbers finally came through and they set one then)
Pennsylvania: 3,648 new cases (new record); 44 deaths
Colorado: 3,463 new cases (new record); 23 deaths
New York: 3,240 new cases; 17 deaths
Iowa: 3,133 new cases; 14 deaths
Utah: 2,987 new cases (new record); 17 deaths (new record)
North Carolina: 2,908 new cases (new record); 34 deaths
Georgia: 2,802 new cases; 30 deaths
Nebraska: 2,681 new cases (new record); 27 deaths (new record)
Kentucky: 2,228 new cases; 10 deaths
New Jersey: 2,147 new cases; 10 deaths
Massachusetts: 2,113 new cases; 21 deaths
Arizona: 1,996 new cases; 22 deaths
Oklahoma: 1,878 new cases; 16 deaths
Arkansas: 1,870 new cases (new record); 19 deaths
North Dakota: 1,765 new cases (new record); 17 deaths
Washington: 1,660 new cases; 13 deaths
Virginia: 1,568 new cases; 5 deaths
Nevada: 1,562 new cases (new record); 21 deaths
Alabama: 1,556 new cases; 23 deaths
Maryland: 1,541 new cases; 12 deaths
South Dakota: 1,488 new cases; 28 deaths (new record)
Tennessee: 1,373 new cases; 32 deaths
Idaho: 1,330 new cases (new record); 8 deaths
New Mexico: 1,284 new cases (new record); 6 deaths
South Carolina: 1,233 new cases; 13 deaths
Connecticut: 1,065 new cases; 15 deaths

First, a correction. Yesterday I mistakenly said that Wyoming was 3/4 the way towards getting onto my list with a new record. That was actually Oregon...and they nearly hit the same number again today. Wyoming, on the other hand, just barely missed getting on my list with a new record of 996 which is nearly double their previous high.

That's 37 states with 1k or more new cases today. I know I've mentioned before that I may have to pick a new cutoff for my reports and depending on how things shake out next week I may just be forced to. As it stands that's still 22 states with 2k or more which is enough to give you a good picture of how fucked things are getting. There's no reason to believe it won't be worse next week. Positivity is increasing nearly everywhere and only a few states are still managing to keep it below the 5% "maximum". I know I'm sounding like a broken record at this point but this is before Election Day spikes even come into it. We're going off the rails on a COVID train. Crazy, but that's how it goes. Millions of people living as foes.

Texas has hit 1 million new cases (or "will hit" if you follow different sources). The US as a whole has passed 10 million. Tomorrow is a Saturday so the count should be lower than today, but I would not be surprised if it ended up even higher just from the way this is escalating. The number of new records is fairly depressing (there were several I didn't list from states that don't make my cut). What's more depressing, however, is that the new records for death totals have started coming in. There will be many more of them.

1,248 deaths is over 250 more than last Friday. The total is now 242,230. 36 states with double-digit totals. Texas with three figures again. A couple other states are probably going to join them in 3-digit territory in the next week or so.

Related news:

Top Wisconsin health official resigns amid spike in coronavirus cases--When the going gets tough--quit?

Poll workers facing dual threat of COVID-19, potential violence--These guys sincerely deserve a lot of love for the shit they're dealing with. And will continue to get.

Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine Says COVID 'Coming after All of Us' as Cases in State Skyrocket--Nice of him to wait until after the election to highlight the threat, no?

Stay safe, folks.

[Ripster42]

Top Wisconsin health official resigns amid spike in coronavirus cases--When the going gets tough--quit?

Don't think I'd blame her. WI legislature and SC basically said she can't do anything (or more accurately, that the Gov can't enforce her suggestions).

[Lenonis]

I wish I knew why my state is on fire. It's nerve-wracking.

[Ripster42]

I wish I knew why my state is on fire. It's nerve-wracking.

Population density in chicago and the proximity of that large city to wisconsin, which doesn't have a mask mandate. You also have other populations centers (the quad cities and st louis) next to states that also don't have mask mandates.

[Benggaul]

I wish I knew why my state is on fire. It's nerve-wracking.

Illinois was doing great until a couple of weeks ago. My theory is that the suburbs/rural areas (and Chicago) finally became overwhelmed by the miasma from surrounding states, particularly from bordering Wisconsin. Once it got into the larger cities like Chicago/Springfield/Rockford that's probably all it took. I have no county-by-county breakdown to back that up, though. Just a hunch.

[ProudSecularHumanist]

Concering the lincoln project, which Trumps actions created.

I love how the Lincoln project choose to ignore that their beloved Reagan ended the Fairness Doctrine, which removal partly led to the polarized state of media and propagandalike state of Fox News and other rightwing news in particular.

A 'real' republican president ended the law which would have prevented the spreading of misinformation and outright lies which plague certain media outlets.
Ever since Nixon truth and decency hold no value for most Republican party members, in fact it has only gone downhill from his time onward.
There is a straight line from him to W Bush 'weapons of mass destruction in Iraq' to Trump.
Trump is not an anomaly for the Republican party, merely the most extreme form it's current 50 year old path have led to.

If they choose to ignore or be blind to the fact that the election of Trump and his cadre of sycophants are latest expressions of what began with Nixon,and dont analyze the past with critical eyes.
How will they then ever be able to effect any changes regarding the Republican party if they arent honest with the process which led to its current state? Gerrymandering for example is as we know not a new thing, and making it harder for certain groups have been going on since Bush vs Gore

[Breccia]

ll be many more of them.

1,248 deaths is over 250 more than last Friday

So, that seven-day average is going to pass 1,000 isn't it?

[Benggaul]

So, that seven-day average is going to pass 1,000 isn't it?

It's at about 950 today...so yes.

[Breccia]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...by-coronavirus

Trump's Chief of Staff tests positive.

EDIT: Shit, forgot the good stuff.

Mark Meadows tests positive for coronavirus

White House chief of staff Mark Meadows has tested positive for the coronavirus, an official familiar with the matter confirmed late Friday.

The chief of staff is the latest high-ranking White House official to test positive for the highly-contagious virus. It was not immediately clear when he first tested positive, but he was last seen at Trump campaign headquarters in Arlington, Va., on Tuesday afternoon. He was not wearing a mask.

Meadows was frequently in close proximity to President Trump when the president had his own bout with the virus last month.

Meadows's diagnosis was first reported by Bloomberg News, which said that campaign aide Nick Trainer had also tested positive.

Developing story. Let's see who else gets sick, because Team Trump still has feet without bullet holes in them.

[Nelinrah]

Trump's Chief of Staff tests positive.

EDIT: Shit, forgot the good stuff.

Mark Meadows tests positive for coronavirus



Developing story. Let's see who else gets sick, because Team Trump still has feet without bullet holes in them.

I hope they deep clean and quarantine the White House for 2 weeks before Biden moves in.

[beanman12345]

Trump's Chief of Staff tests positive.

EDIT: Shit, forgot the good stuff.

Mark Meadows tests positive for coronavirus



Developing story. Let's see who else gets sick, because Team Trump still has feet without bullet holes in them.

it is what it is

[swiftowner]

@Benggaul I think we are past 20k jumps per week being a possibility, and fully into that being the norm. Looks like our weekly Friday increase is probably going to be in the 30k range. So my previous estimate of 150-160k for next Thursday might be right, but looks like Friday will be closer to 165-170k next week. This is getting really bad really fast.

Edit: The only silver lining is it looks like Texas might have started to get its act together since today was lower than yesterday. But it’s 1 day, which isn’t a trend yet. And too many other states are spiking hard.

Edit(2): also, idk which is more important or valid or if both are, or which is reported to other sites, but for Indiana, they have positivity separated into two categories: 7-day average for all tests, which is 8.9%, and 7-day average for unique individuals, which is 17.3%. To me, it seems like the positivity for unique individuals is more useful, and it has been going up steadily, and glancing around at sound counties, some are in the >30% range. So pretty sure Indiana is fucked.

[Breccia]

@Benggaul I think we are past 20k jumps per week being a possibility, and fully into that being the norm. Looks like our weekly Friday increase is probably going to be in the 30k range. So my previous estimate of 150-160k for next Thursday might be right, but looks like Friday will be closer to 165-170k next week. This is getting really bad really fast

The NYTimes has its own tracker, but the numbers are similar. THey report a 54% increase in cases in the last two weeks. Hold on.

81,210 new cases, roughly 9.5k more than last Friday

If anything that's more than 54%.Not like the average rate was any better, either.

+54% in two weeks won't be +20k/day for a while, and we're coming up on the usual low-reporting days.

Of course, deaths and hospitalizations are up, too.

903 deaths is about what we had last Friday

I believe at the time I commented that I was relieved it was still under 1,000...just because it's a benchmark, 900 is plenty scary. Obviously, we're beyond that now.

Our rolling 7-day average just became 895. 14 days ago, it was 763. Yep. Our seven-day average, including the low report days, is as high as a high report day 14 days ago.

Colbert had a good point Oct 27 when he pointed out that, the valley between the second wave and the third wave (the one we're now in) is higher than the peak of the first wave in April, for cases. What did we do to beat the frist wave down? Took this shit seriously. Now we're looking back fondly at when things were "only as bad as April".

Let's say this trend continues for another 28 days, like a zombie movie. We'll be wandering ouit of November with a 7-day rolling average of 1231 -- the higher points of this week. That probably means just under 2,000 deaths a day in the work week and 600-800 on the low report days.

Then let's pretend we still learn nothing and it happens again.

"Whoa, you're getting dark."

The entire election thread has been "if this trend continues" so now it's my fucking turn. 28 days later, we come to the new year with a 7-day average of 1,694 deaths. Easily over 2,000 deaths four days a week, maybe five.

Do not let this trend continue. Take this shit seriously.

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Where is Mike Pence?

Vice President Mike Pence hasn’t been seen publicly for three days.

Pence, who heads the coronavirus task force

Hold on a second. Is Meadows on the task force?

(checks news)

Oh good, it's just his deputy.

and serves as president of the Senate, was not with the president in the briefing room Thursday night. Pence had nothing on his schedule for the last three days, and now, per his just-released schedule, has nothing for the weekend. He has not issued any official statements on Friday or posted on social media. His office has been silent when asked about his whereabouts. He has not chaired a task force meeting since October 20, while cases are breaking records across the country.

But a source familiar tells NBC News that Pence was pretty active at the White House today. Additionally, and separately, he was asked by campaign to talk with donors to raise money for the legal defense fund today which he did. NBC News previously reported that Pence was in the meetings over strategy and legal battles at President Trump's campaign headquarters in Virginia on Wednesday.

While Pence is making moves in his capacity as a loyalist to the president, there are also impressions that Pence is trying to stay out of the limelight. Politically, Pence appears to be stuck between a rock and a hard place. He may not want to say anything to override the president’s message as he goes on a full-out assault of the electoral system as it does not produce results in his favor, and simultaneously has to protect his own path forward with potential aspirations for a White House run of his own in 2024.

Yeah, that's not a flattering angle when you're so proud of what your boss is doing you're hiding from cameras.

[swiftowner]

@Breccia I think your numbers are still assuming a proportional increase in deaths based on increase in cases. I don’t think it’s factoring in hospitals running out of capacity to treat patients, which I believe has already been brought up where that is already a potential issue in some places.

Now I don’t pretend to know what that would look like, but we could easily see much higher than 2000 deaths per day in that scenario. *I think*

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The thing is, we need someway to get republicans on board with wearing masks. Maybe it’s not republicans, it might just be Trump cult. But it seems too hard to reason with them.

I got into an argument on Facebook when a distant relative was spewing BS about the elections, and it enviably turned into him calling the pandemic “fake”. After I essentially called him an idiot, he dm’d me. I tried again to reason with him, providing ample reason to believe it’s not fake, he says it is just a strain of the flu. After explaining that they aren’t even remotely the same virus, he still says it’s fake and studies proved it to be a fraud. I called him out on it and said those studies do not exist, and if they exist, they absolutely do not conclude that it’s fraud. He then changed the subject, still trying to say that it’s fraud. So I said he’s dumber than a rock and blocked him. You can’t reason with stupid

[Breccia]

@Breccia I think your numbers are still assuming a proportional increase in deaths based on increase in cases.

No. I was using the increase in deaths over the past two weeks. Number of cases was not involved in my calculations. It was also assuming that rate continued indefinitely, which over 2 months, seems unlikely. It was more an example than a prediction, but it does fall in line with even Trump's own CDC's predictions. If anything it's lower.

[UnifiedDivide]

132,540 new cases

And people have the audacity to still say you're "rounding the corner" on this virus.... holy fuck.