Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Breccia]

Why is there a park named after him in the first place?

Admit it, you know the answer.

He bought the property to make a golf course, then gave up and decided to build houses instead, but the EPA told him he couldn't bulldoze wetlands to do it. So he gave it away, probably as a tax writeoff.

The park is about an hour north of NYC. You can find a description here which will come off as dick-sucking, but bear in mind, when people donate millions of dollars, regardless of the reason, you don't call them a douchebag to their face.

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If they rename it they may still have to show his name on the entrance signs in some way.

Or, they could wait until he dies and then nobody left will care.

[beanman12345]

Admit it, you know the answer.

So he gave it away, probably as a tax writeoff.

Rofl, you go to the wikipedia site of his park, and this is used as a source that it was a tax write off.

I went to Donald Trump’s shitty $100 million tax break park

[Omega10]

It’ll be interesting if they both run in 2024 and have to debate each other.

I think that Trump will no longer be a factor by 2024. Hawley or someone will likely stand in for him to carry the torch.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...O7e?li=BBorjTa

Title: Even with acquittal, GOP sees trial ending Trump's shot at future office

Excerpts:

Senate Republicans, including those who do not plan to vote to convict former President Trump, say this week's impeachment trial has effectively ended any chance of him becoming the GOP presidential nominee in 2024.

The presentation that democrats put forth earlier in the week was awesome and effective. Trump and his family are done. His last action is likely to be to appoint his successor.

Several Republican senators became irate watching videos of the violence and chaos inside the Capitol on Jan. 6, including footage of police officers being called "pigs" and "traitors" and one officer screaming as he was crushed by rioters battering a police line.

Interspersed with the traumatic scenes were clips of Trump urging his supporters to march to the Capitol, warning them "if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore," and telling them "we love you; you're very special," shortly after the attack.

"It just makes you realize what an asshole Donald Trump is," said one GOP senator after watching day two of the House managers' presentation.

The lawmaker suggested that Democrats may ultimately help the GOP by sidelining Trump.

"Unwittingly, they are doing us a favor. They're making Donald Trump disqualified to run for president," even if he is acquitted, the senator said.

Other Republican senators, even those who have indicated they will vote to acquit, say it would be a good thing if the impeachment trial helps distance the party from Trump, who has thoroughly dominated GOP politics over the past five years.

Basically, the republican strategy seems to be to acquit Trump this week (or Monday of next week), and then ease Trump out of power using the democrat's presentation as a very effective tool in accomplishing their political goals.

On a practical note, it is absolutely crucial for the survival of the republican party to reign in the Trump supporters. Nikki Haley has already started the ball rolling from her side, and the rest of the republican party will fall in line little by little.

This trial is a huge gift for the republicans. It also is a good way for the country to gradually get Trump out of power, so I would say it's a HUGE plus for the US as well.

It sucks that the democrats hard work will be good for the US, but really good for the republican party. There is a good chance that this is how it turns out.

[Shadowferal]

The more I read, the more I certainly agree with the bold. She certainly has some issues in not challenging Trump on some pretty specific stuff, though. So I be curious to see how she'd do in the spotlight now.

Haley is someone the GOP should push for. They have to control the damage...assuming they want to.

[Poopymonster]

He donated the land when he failed to use it to build a golf course and one condition was it be named after him basically. If they rename it they may still have to show his name on the entrance signs in some way.

"After his dismal presidency, we've renamed Donald Trump Park to Parky McParkerface"

I can see that on sign.

[Gestopft]

Ok I watched Trump's defense for about two minutes and it was all I could handle. I'm almost impressed at how many bad arguments and strawmen were stuffed into that short amount of time. It's stunning and sad.

[Breccia]

“It’s unconstitutional for Congress to decide that a former official can’t run for office!” -Michae Van Der Veen

That's already been voted on. Stupid to waste time bringing it up again. How much is Trump promising to pay them but not really?

[cubby]

Seems Nikki Haley can't quite decide who she wants to be after Trump.
Mix of "celebrate the achievements" and "we shouldn't have followed him down his path."

Is she really a 2024 possibility?

She is absolutely a possibility for 2024 - especially since she's drawn such a fine line of supporting and criticizing Trump - downright brilliant, objectively. A bright woman with Executive leadership and international relations experience - ideal candidate.

[solinari6]

She is absolutely a possibility for 2024

I wonder if that happens, if she'll be retconned by Q into having been working in the background against those evil dem child molesters this whole time.

[Sunseeker]

She is absolutely a possibility for 2024 - especially since she's drawn such a fine line of supporting and criticizing Trump - downright brilliant, objectively. A bright woman with Executive leadership and international relations experience - ideal candidate.

For some other party sure. She's Condoleezza Rice 2.0 in many ways. And that's exactly why the Republican party will never run her. A "minority"(I use quotes here because racially, she is, but she's put a rather significant mount of effort into it not being well known among the plebs) woman who is smart and skilled? It's like the definition of everything the Republicans are afraid of.

[Belize]

My jaw has dropped about 5-6 meters listening to Trump's lawyer's argument.

Trump didn't say we should call the cavalry. We should call the Calvary! Peace, love and Jesus!

What. The. Actual. Fucking. Fuck.

[Odinfrost]

I really love Trumps defense. They are shooting themselves in the foot right now. If only republicans had backbones and this might actually be meaningful...
Also, the current guy argues fucking semantics and is also defending the Don (mafia, not Trump) when he says that his goonies need to "take care of a problem."

[Edge-]

My jaw has dropped about 5-6 meters listening to Trump's lawyer's argument.

Trump didn't say we should call the cavalry. We should call the Calvary! Peace, love and Jesus!

What. The. Actual. Fucking. Fuck.

They could both speak from their asses, Ace Ventura style (or Assy McGee style, take your pick) and it wouldn't matter. Don't give yourself a headache watching, just catch the highlight reels.

[Breccia]

They are shooting themselves in the foot right now.

I wish that mattered. The Republican Senators that were in the building are still going to acquit. At least these lawyers will be named and shamed forever, and hopefully, those "not guilty" votes will be thrown back in the Senators' faces in 2022 in a useful way.

[DarkTZeratul]

"It just makes you realize what an asshole Donald Trump is," said one GOP senator after watching day two of the House managers' presentation.

They realized what an asshole he was in 2015, too. Many of them were quite vocal about it, and in no uncertain terms. They still all lined up to kiss his ass as soon as he clinched the nomination. Why would it be any different in 2024?

[Odinfrost]

I wish that mattered. The Republican Senators that were in the building are still going to acquit. At least these lawyers will be named and shamed forever, and hopefully, those "not guilty" votes will be thrown back in the Senators' faces in 2022 in a useful way.

Hence why I mention the lack of backbone on republicans is why it wasn't meaningful

[Omega10]

They realized what an asshole he was in 2015, too. Many of them were quite vocal about it, and in no uncertain terms. They still all lined up to kiss his ass as soon as he clinched the nomination. Why would it be any different in 2024?

Trump has too much baggage. There are younger versions of Trump, like Hawley but there are others, that would be a much better and younger candidate for the people pushing us towards fascism and dictatorship. Hawley as President would be a LOT more dangerous than Trump could ever be, and he most certainly would do a lot more damage to the US than Trump did.

The good news is: not Trump related. The very very bad news is: this person would not carry Trump's baggage and would be younger and more electable.

Another way to look at it is: if it comes down to Haley vs many other republican candidates, it might be wise to register as a republican to get Haley to win. Even if it backfired by her becoming President, it would be better than risking Hawley, for example, as President.

[Xeones]

"Hatred is a dangerous thing" coming from a defense lawyer defending someone who literally had policy planned by white supremacists like Stephen Miller.

[cubby]

I wonder if that happens, if she'll be retconned by Q into having been working in the background against those evil dem child molesters this whole time.

Lol, it's hard to predict crazy - who knows where those fringe groups will be by then.

Nikki is terrifying because she has remained relatively balanced, while also backing and being supported by Trump. I'm not defending here, whatsoever, just pointing out the trail she's climbed over the past 4-6 years. "Young", experienced, GOP, woman - she is the full package to take on Harris/Biden in 2024. If the GOP can keep the crazies like Hawley from running too soon, well, they sure have a shot, at least imo.

[Omega10]

Lol, it's hard to predict crazy - who knows where those fringe groups will be by then.

Nikki is terrifying because she has remained relatively balanced, while also backing and being supported by Trump. I'm not defending here, whatsoever, just pointing out the trail she's climbed over the past 4-6 years. "Young", experienced, GOP, woman - she is the full package to take on Harris/Biden in 2024. If the GOP can keep the crazies like Hawley from running too soon, well, they sure have a shot, at least imo.

Well there is a good chance that someone like Hawley would be her Vice Presidential candidate if she were Presidential candidate. This would unite both factions of the republican party. If Hawley is too toxic at that time, then it would be a toned version of him.