Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Felya]

making a fool of everyone and proving his inability to be touched because of money and influence. He pretty much pulled a Lex Luthor.

Lex Luthor defeated superman and actually accomplished world domination. Trump is stuck in Mari Largo... Outside of GOP no one wants to touch him... you like his current social media presence? Even Joker destroyed more...

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That the feckless GOP acquitted him is not a suprrise. In your analogy, it's as if Lex Luthor was put up for trail and you selected the Legion of Doom as his jury. Nobody got "played," here, save for maybe the GOP playing themselves in the 2020 election cycle.

Let’s also remember... When do villains like Alex Luthor, win? Right until the climax, where the heroes prevail?

Edit: Did any other president have his victory described in the form of super villains? lol

[Kaleredar]

Let’s also remember... When do villains like Alex Luthor, win? Right until the climax, where the heroes prevail?

Edit: Did any other president have his victory described in the form of super villains? lol

I'd say the 2020 election was the "climax" to Trump's presidency.

Let's just hope that Trump's acquittal is a teaser for a sequel that never gets made.

[DarkTZeratul]

Such trials should be before judges (and maybe juries) not politicians

Politicians might have a say in wether such a trial should happen but they should never have the power to convict or aquit

An impeachment trial has no power to determine someone's guilt. It is purely a determination of whether or not the official should be removed from office, and potentially barred from holding office again. Trump was only acquitted in the sense that he isn't prevented from running again in 2024.

[Dontrike]

Watching the hearing live, and enjoying watching Michael Van Der Veen point out the hypocrisy and desperation of the House Managers. He is devastating them.

I don't think you quite know what devastating means.

[Adam Jensen]

Trump got acquitted. Does that mean he won and got away with everything?

No.

There are multiple state investigations underway, the big one to hit the news was Georgia investigating him for yet another "perfect phone call."

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Edit: Did any other president have his victory described in the form of super villains? lol

Trump's own campaign depicted him as Thanos about to "snap" away the Democrats.

Using footage from Endgame . . . like 2 seconds before Thanos realizes Tony Stark stole the gems and is about to snap him away.

[Shadowferal]

Big difference between "acquittal" and "exoneration." Trump wasn't innocent, they just didn't find enough votes.

[Draco-Onis]

People who voted not to convict also said he’s guilty and should be brought up on criminal charges... sooooo.

Not that it matters but I found it funny his lawyers were arguing that they should throw him in jail too but I find it highly unlikely Trump will face any consequence he has friends in high places (judges, 100s of congressmen, law enforcement supremacists etc.).

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Big difference between "acquittal" and "exoneration." Trump wasn't innocent, they just didn't find enough votes.

To his supporters more importantly to the terrorists who did this in his name there's no difference, the GOP has officially endorsed terrorism.

[dextersmith]

The acquittal was the greatest disservice to their citizens. How do you have faith in such a self serving government? Or feel safe where treasonous criminals are unaccountable?

[Breccia]

Big difference between "acquittal" and "exoneration."

In the real world, yes. Even McConnell lives in the real world, based on his cowardly depiction of Trump's activitis after voting not guilty.

Trump supporters, here and elsewhere, continue to spout objective falsehoods proving they either don't live in the real world, or do but don't care about its rules.

Don't worry -- anyone with the logic and reason God gave the common houseplant knows you're right.

[kail]

People who voted not to convict also said he’s guilty and should be brought up on criminal charges... sooooo.

They know the guilt but don't want to be the ones responsible for his consequences. I hate to regurgitate Trump here but he did get 75 million votes so that an important base to hold for these senators.

[Kaleredar]

Trump's own campaign depicted him as Thanos about to "snap" away the Democrats.

Using footage from Endgame . . . like 2 seconds before Thanos realizes Tony Stark stole the gems and is about to snap him away.

I’m sure y’all have seen this gem:

[Kaleredar]

They know the guilt but don't want to be the ones responsible for his consequences. I hate to regurgitate Trump here but he did get 75 million votes so that an important base to hold for these senators.

Seeing as the vast majority of democrats and the large majority of independents were in favor of voting for removal, I think it would behoove Democrats running against these spineless GOP cowards to remind the voter base of where they stood on this issue.

[cubby]

The bevy of investigations and lawsuits coming Trump's way continues to expand. New York Investigating $280 Million In Loans To 4 Trump Manhattan Properties

This one is different than previous NY City/State investigations.

The loans — to his flagship Trump Tower on Fifth Avenue, Trump International Hotel and Tower, Trump Plaza and a high-rise in the financial district at 40 Wall Street — were all made by subsidiaries of Ladder Capital Corp., a real-estate investment trust based in New York, according to the Journal. The son of the chief financial officer of the Trump Organization works at Ladder Capital, the newspaper reported.

Illegal ties and conflict of interest loops like this one are legion in the Trump Crime Family Syndicate. Remember Justice Kennedy's resignation and his private meeting with Trump to hand pick the next nominee? And how Kennedy's son worked at Deutsche Bank and was in charge, for a time, of the Trump loan portfolio, including lending Trump over $1B when no one in the United States would lend to him anymore?

The NRA's ties to Russia and the illegal donations?

This kind of thing will keep going. There is no way a forum like this can keep track of them all, but others will. Investigative Journalism is about to get even more fun.

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New York Trump investigation looks at $280m in loans – report

While there was good news for Donald Trump in Washington on Saturday, as his second impeachment trial ended in acquittal, troubling news came out of his native New York.

The investigations appear to be an extension of a previously acknowledged move by Manhattan’s Democratic district attorney, Cyrus Vance Jr, over what prosecutors have called “possibly extensive and protracted criminal conduct at the Trump Organization”.

By avoiding conviction in his second impeachment trial, Trump remained free to run for office again. But without the protections of office, he is vulnerable to prosecution. The New York state attorney general is also investigating the Trump Organization.

Bah - you beat my by a landslide to this one.

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I was going to say "yes, but who strikes first?" But of course it's NYState. They've been chomping at the bit.

There is no reason why all the investigating agencies and states/cities can't strike together.

And for all you non-bankruptcy experts out there - remember that filing for bankruptcy does not delay a criminal investigation.

[BigToast]

They know the guilt but don't want to be the ones responsible for his consequences. I hate to regurgitate Trump here but he did get 75 million votes so that an important base to hold for these senators.

74 million votes.

[Fugus]

74 million votes.

But his point still remains. The GOP know they can’t win without this base of traitors and nut jobs and so they cater to them at the expense of their jobs, the nation, the rule of law and the US constitution.

Not only that but they fear retribution from them if they don’t. They just stormed their place of work and attempted to kill at least one of their own party. If they actually did their job with integrity they risk upsetting that base who may try and kill them directly for it.

Slight tangent, find it sad how Burr was a traitor to the nation this entire time and even played Trumps mole but then votes to remove after he has said this will be his final term.

[cubby]

But his point still remains. The GOP know they can’t win without this base of traitors and nut jobs and so they cater to them at the expense of their jobs, the nation, the rule of law and the US constitution.

Not only that but they fear retribution from them if they don’t. They just stormed their place of work and attempted to kill at least one of their own party. If they actually did their job with integrity they risk upsetting that base who may try and kill them directly for it.

This. 100%. The GOP is at an identity crossroads, and they are being pulled apart by their own deplorableness. Even those 7 Senators who voted to convict Trump probably only did it to keep their own careers alive (most are left-leaning Republicans, like Murkowski).

Slight tangent, find it sad how Burr was a traitor to the nation this entire time and even played Trumps mole but then votes to remove after he has said this will be his final term.

Remind me what Burr did?
(so many crimes and deplorable acts from the GOP to keep track of)

[Fugus]

Remind me what Burr did?
(so many crimes and deplorable acts from the GOP to keep track of)

If I recall correctly, he was the NC Politician who, during the Mueller investigation was a part of it but then going back and reporting it all back to Trump so they could try and coordinate their lies.

[cubby]

If I recall correctly, he was the NC Politician who, during the Mueller investigation was a part of it but then going back and reporting it all back to Trump so they could try and coordinate their lies.

Ah, that's right. And he recently announced he would not seek reelection in 2022. Interesting.

The DoJ is going to need an entire new Division devoted just to Trump related crimes.

[Fugus]

Ah, that's right. And he recently announced he would not seek reelection in 2022. Interesting.

The DoJ is going to need an entire new Division devoted just to Trump related crimes.

Yeah, and the fact that he was willing to go that far to subvert justice during that makes me wonder just how deep he goes into this.

And he knew his vote to remove was just for show knowing it wouldn’t work. So no real credit there really and most likely him trying to do some image clean up with McConnells blessing.

[Masark]