Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Ripster42]

Except from what I understand the DoJ has the right to subpoena those records. They shouldn't do so lightly, especially for members of congress but they have the right to do so.

And trying to prove someone does actually remember facts from 3+ years ago in court to get a perjury conviction is going to be a nightmare.

Read what I linked. You can do things that otherwise would be legal, for ill-gotten reasons, and they become illegal.

Edit: For a different example, a police officer has the right to look up people's information when they pull them over. If they look up that information, then copy it down so they can call them later to try to hit on them, that's illegal. The act of looking it up, an otherwise legal part of their occupation, becomes illegal.

Double Edit: I'm not saying he's going to be convicted. I'm saying that he should be worried about how vindictive the DOJ might become as a reaction to his norm breaking.

[Breccia]

Let's say he lies under oath. Then what?

Lying to Congress is a felony.

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I'm saying that he should be worried about how vindictive the DOJ might become as a reaction to his norm breaking.

I cannot imagine how many friends/allies Barr lost while forcing Trump's illegal investigations. He should not expect any professional courtesy when he showed none himself.

[Gorsameth]

Read what I linked. You can do things that otherwise would be legal, for ill-gotten reasons, and they become illegal.

Edit: For a different example, a police officer has the right to look up people's information when they pull them over. If they look up that information, then copy it down so they can call them later to try to hit on them, that's illegal. The act of looking it up, an otherwise legal part of their occupation, becomes illegal.

Double Edit: I'm not saying he's going to be convicted. I'm saying that he should be worried about how vindictive the DOJ might become as a reaction to his norm breaking.

But, we don't have any information about what they did with those records right? Unless they used them for something they shouldn't, like blackmail, there is no crime.

"We looked hoping to find something but we didn't, the end" is not a crime when the reason for looking (trying to find the leaks) is 'good enough'.

And Barr is an slimebag devoid of morals, but I don't see him as someone stupid enough to actually break the law for Trump.

[cubby]

Depravation of rights under the color of law. Carries up to life sentence. Depends how far they consider the consequences of barr's actions, but it's likely a year prison sentence as no one was harmed or killed directly.

Those 4 words aren't as magic as you seem to think. If it can be argued persuasively that you do remember, claiming you don't remember can also be perjury.

I hope this is the impetus for Garland/Biden to clean house of any/all Trump appointees and hires.

[Bodakane]

Lying to Congress is a felony.

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I cannot imagine how many friends/allies Barr lost while forcing Trump's illegal investigations. He should not expect any professional courtesy when he showed none himself.

We know its illegal, I think most are disillusioned any real punishment would come of it.

[Breccia]

We know its illegal, I think most are disillusioned any real punishment would come of it.

Normally, and maybe this time, yes. But remember, Barr could be forced to admit, to Congress, that he was spying on Congress. Even Democrats might take action, considering they were the victims.

[Fugus]

Even Democrats might take action, considering they were the victims.

That would require them to be something beyond paper tigers when they have power, a really tall order for them to do. If they actually grow a spine for once in my lifetime, I will be at a loss for words.

[cubby]

Lying to Congress is a felony.

Unfortunately, nothing is going to happen. This Trump appointee who literally investigated political enemies of Trump is ending his term when he would have anyways - end of June. And the rest can pretend they didn't know.

Felonious actions. Zero accountability. Zero prosecutions. The Trump way. MAGA.

[Edge-]

Unfortunately, nothing is going to happen.

Sadly, this is my take. We have at least a handful of Trump officials who have objectively lied and been shown to have lied to Congress over the years but Congress, specifically the Democrats in congress, are too afraid to go after them. Likely because of "bad optics", which is a load of horse shit.

[Bodakane]

Normally, and maybe this time, yes. But remember, Barr could be forced to admit, to Congress, that he was spying on Congress. Even Democrats might take action, considering they were the victims.

I desperately want you to be right, but I'm not betting on it.

[beanman12345]

Barr will be disbarred most likely.

[Edge-]

Barr will be disbarred most likely.

If that happens I'll find a hat to eat, because given the gross behavior we've seen from lawyers over the past four years, who remain practicing lawyers, I ain't remotely convinced that's in the realm of possibility. Much less actually likely.

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Don’t hold your breath. Rudy still has his license.

And Lyn Wood. And Sidney Powell. I think the only person who actually lost their law license was Michael Cohen, and that was for felony conviction of lying under oath. Which I don't see in the future of any of these people, though Rudy is likely fucked for other reasons at this point.

[beanman12345]

If that happens I'll find a hat to eat, because given the gross behavior we've seen from lawyers over the past four years, who remain practicing lawyers, I ain't remotely convinced that's in the realm of possibility. Much less actually likely.

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And Lyn Wood. And Sidney Powell. I think the only person who actually lost their law license was Michael Cohen, and that was for felony conviction of lying under oath. Which I don't see in the future of any of these people, though Rudy is likely fucked for other reasons at this point.

Trump found his Roy Cohn in Barr.

[Edge-]

Yeah, it’s crazy how hard it is to get a lawyer disbarred these days.

A lot of things. A license to practice medicine too. Remember that time a doctor told people to take hydroxy and then ranted about demon sperm making women infertile? She's still a practicing doctor last I checked, I don't even think she was brought in for a review.

[beanman12345]

A lot of things. A license to practice medicine too. Remember that time a doctor told people to take hydroxy and then ranted about demon sperm making women infertile? She's still a practicing doctor last I checked, I don't even think she was brought in for a review.

Eating a hat is more unhealthy than hydroxy, I don't suggest either.

[Zaktar]

Eating a hat is more unhealthy than hydroxy, I don't suggest either.

It won't be an issue.

[beanman12345]

It won't be an issue.

Yup, cause edge is smart enough not to actually eat a hat when barr get's disbarred.

[Edge-]

Yup, cause edge is smart enough not to actually eat a hat when barr get's disbarred.

I don't think he'll get disbarred. But even if he does I ain't gonna eat a hat. Unless I like, make a hat out of something edible. Which actually sounds kinda fun, I should look into this.

[beanman12345]

I don't think he'll get disbarred. But even if he does I ain't gonna eat a hat. Unless I like, make a hat out of something edible. Which actually sounds kinda fun, I should look into this.

I get the cynicism. A cake hat does sounds good though.

[Benggaul]

I don't think he'll get disbarred. But even if he does I ain't gonna eat a hat. Unless I like, make a hat out of something edible. Which actually sounds kinda fun, I should look into this.

I get the cynicism. A cake hat does sounds good though.

I'd go with gingerbread, myself. In the style of a straw boater.