Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Hammerfest]

Oh, right because...uh...Comey didn't convict Hillary or something?

On a related note...

[DarkTZeratul]

The carrot for the Iran Nuclear Deal was Iran getting a lot of their frozen funds back. Since they now have them back the deal without the carrot is obviously a lot lot less appealing for Iran. Especially when the US has shown that signing such a deal is no guarantee for anything at all.

This is actually a lie perpetuated by the GOP trying to make the deal look bad by claiming it would give Iran a buttload of money. The truth of the matter is that an international court had already demanded that the US give Iran its money back, we'd run out of appeals, and the timing happened to coincide. The actual carrot of the deal was that we'd get the world to lift sanctions in exchange for their compliance; they would have gotten their money back regardless.

You're right that this carrot is a lot less appealing now, though, because A) we broke the deal once already, so they don't trust us not to break it again, and B) they now have a new leader who's considerably less progressive and more of a hardliner than the one who inked the deal, and who got elected largely on the platform of blaming the previous guy for accepting a bad deal that he should have expected us to break because we were never trustworthy in the first place and this just proved it.

[Verdugo]

On a related note...

Oh, you exist. How's Earth, still flat?

[Edge-]

On a related note...

How is that related to anything having to do with conspiracy theories around Maurene Comey?

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https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...ski-ip-vpx.cnn

Oh look, more video of Boebert calling Omar a terrorist and saying she's "black hearted" and "evil".

Censure her ass and kick her off committees. What ever happened to decency? To decorum? To civility? I remember Republicans complaining about that a lot.

The expectation is basic professionalism, and she's failing to meet that bar. Make her an empty floor vote until she decides to start acting like a professional, otherwise her and her husband who loves to expose his penis to underage girls can fuck off.

Because yes, as you all know, her husband exposed his penis to underage girls at, I believe, a bowling alley.

[Hammerfest]

Oh look, more video of Boebert calling Omar a terrorist and saying she's "black hearted" and "evil".

The feud sparked after Boebert suggested that a Capitol Police officer appeared concerned that Omar was a terrorist, to which the Republican replied that “[Omar] doesn’t have a backpack,” so “we should be fine.” Boebert’s comments were widely seen as Islamophobic, and Omar shot back, saying that the entire story was false.

https://dailycaller.com/2021/11/30/r...en-ilhan-omar/

I'm not sure what the context of this was, but it sounds like someone was merely making a joke. If that's the case, then it's a further example of the American left's War On Humor.

[JohnBrown1917]

https://dailycaller.com/2021/11/30/r...en-ilhan-omar/

I'm not sure what the context of this was, but it sounds like someone was merely making a joke. If that's the case, then it's a further example of the American left's War On Humor.

Racism as funny as the earth is flat.

[Hammerfest]

Racism as funny as the earth is flat.

Racism can be funny. Check out the works of Don Rickles and a now-ancient sitcom called "All In The Family."

[Edge-]

I'm not sure what the context of this was, but it sounds like someone was merely making a joke. If that's the case, then it's a further example of the American left's War On Humor.

"It's just a joke" is the laziest argument to defend bigoted racists around. Do better.

[Hammerfest]

"It's just a joke" is the laziest argument to defend bigoted racists around. Do better.

Sometimes, in fact often, a joke is just a joke... no matter how tasteless it may seem.

[Breccia]

So Trump was in court today.

Nah, just kidding. He'd rather die than take the stand. His remaining lawyers were in court, though, asking a federal judge to block Biden from turning over Trump's documents, which Biden wants to do, over to the House, who has been asking about them for some time.

"Is this the same court that suggested they might not even have the authority to block the transfer?"

Yes.

"So what defense did Team Trump use? Because all I've heard is 'because Trump said so' and I've been looking forward to the actual previous cases, or legal standing, or other legal specifics."

Um...

"...they tried 'because Trump said so' in court?"

Yes.

"...did it work?"

Trump's going to have to come back with some interest, something that's missed in that calculation, some supervening interest, and it won't be enough to go, 'See, I told you it was an executive privilege document.' You're going to have to come up with something more powerful that's going to outweigh the incumbent president's decision to waive executive privilege.

We have one president, we have one president at a time under our Constitution. And the incumbent president has said, has made the judgment and is best positioned, as the Supreme Court has told us, to make that call as to the interests of the executive branch.

-- the judge in the case
(re-reads article)
-- one of the three judges in the case

"But Team Trump brought up the other times this Executive Time of one being waived by another, right?"

It has literally never come up. Trump's actions are unPresidented.

"Does the 1978 law allow for what Trump is asking?"

It does not. And it's exceedingly short, so there's as much wiggle room as Melania's corset when the cameras are rolling.

"Surely Team Trump brought more than one thing to try?"

Well they had three hours of direct, specific grilling on the subject, and it looks like they had one other concern. See, if the current ruling holds, a current/incumbent President like Biden could intentionally reveal embarrassing information about their rival.

"Wouldn't that require the rival to also have been in the WH? That seems really specific."

It is.

"Also what about the possibility that people in the White House act like fucking professional adults and not try to commit crimes or fuck each other's wives?"

I guess Team Trump didn't realize that was an option. Or, were paid enough to make sure that option was covered in case Trump wants to commit more crimes and adultery.

"Isn't this case about Trump plotting an insurrection? I would imagine that someone trying to start an insurrection would 100% be in the nation's interest to learn about."

I...think so? Or it could be about reviewing the taxes Trump fought for years to hide, because he has hundreds of millions in loans to an admitted Russian money launderer. Either way, really.

"Are you going to ping @cubby on this? Because he's gotta be tired of that."

You just did.

"Shit."

[Edge-]

Sometimes, in fact often, a joke is just a joke... no matter how tasteless it may seem.

Weird that conservative "jokes" usually seem to lean on racism/sexism/homophobia and bigotry in general, which is why they're largely unfunny and only play in conservative circles with other racists/sexists/homophobes and bigots in general.

But hey, I'm just calling a spade a spade. If others want to carry water for racist shits, like you're doing now, have at it.

"It's a joke" remains a lazy defense of bigotry. Do better.

[Hammerfest]

"It's a joke" remains a lazy defense of bigotry. Do better.

I'm old enough to remember when jokes didn't need a defense... because everybody knew they were just jokes.

[Breccia]

Oh, you meant those subpoenas.
-- Meadows

Meadows is publicly saying he made some kind of deal, but I think the House has made it clear the only deal they'll accept is "we ask questions and you answer them". Failure to comply means Meadows asks Bannon who get the top bunk, Bannon hears that wrong, and one of them sticks something into the other depending on what they're into, don't judge.

[Edge-]

In which you make it abundantly clear you don't understand humor or context. Thanks and all that, you're still not doing any better.

[PhaelixWW]

Something is terribly wrong with the legal system if you cannot get jury to say the obvious, that 1 + 1 = 2.

The purpose of justice is to hold people accountable for the result of their actions. Felony murder was designed to do exactly that even when the defendant's actions were only indirectly or partially responsible for the resulting death.

Despite the fact that the wording of felony murder could technically be used to encompass the entirety of the insurrection, you'd have a very, very hard time convincing a jury that it would be justice in all but the most extreme of cases. That's not to say that some of the offenders couldn't/shouldn't be legitimately charged with it, insofar as they were responsible for leading and/or planning the attack.

In another sense, that's why the prosecutors are going very slowly, and getting all the smaller cases out of the way first. They want to get the courts and juries used to the fact that these defendants are being found guilty of the crimes of which they're accused before they start going after the offenders with more serious charges.

[beanman12345]

Racism can be funny. Check out the works of Don Rickles and a now-ancient sitcom called "All In The Family."

Great show. Were you laughing with Archie or at him?

[Edge-]

You’re seriously comparing Boebert’s open bigotry with roasts? Seriously?

It just adds more evidence to the, "Conservatives don't understand comedy." argument.

Telling jokes about someone at a roast where that person is sitting right there and the whole point of it is to crack wise about them, and they're fully in on it vs. telling "jokes" about someone behind their back, in a private setting, where the person has no idea any jokes are being told.

I guess they want to make it as crystal clear as possible that they don't understand the first thing about humor, and that the last time conservatives were funny was when the rednecks were doing the Blue Collar Comedy Tour. And it was just a bunch of guys who happened to be conservative cracking jokes, mostly about folks like themselves, with an attempt to make it all political. I don't think we've seen a single conservative leaning comedian see significant success since then.

Just the comedy stylings of Greg Gutfeld and Stephen Crowder, who think the height of comedy is putting on a rice hat, big glasses, and big fake teeth while adopting a racist fake Asian accent, or going to a gym in a wig and pretending to be trans while violating gym rules, getting kicked out for violating gym rules, and getting called out because the guy kicking them out knows exactly who they are and exactly what they're doing and exactly why they're filming it.

[Hammerfest]

Great show. Were you laughing with Archie or at him?

That's a good question. Archie was created, crafted as a character, to represent (and often misrepresent) a previous generation and their general beliefs. One of his most necessary flaws was that he wasn't articulate enough to explain adequately why he believed the things he believed and often just responded emotionally. This was by design. That having been said, however, if the character of Archie Bunker hadn't managed to make both the then-progressive left as well as the then-conservative center-left laugh then the character wouldn't have lasted 13 seasons of television.

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You’re seriously comparing Boebert’s open bigotry with roasts? Seriously?

Rickles' humor, whether presented at roasts or other venues, is what it is. Young lefties I show these clips to usually can't figure out what upsets them more... the racial nature of the jokes or the fact that everybody still laughed.

[Edge-]

Young lefties I show these clips to usually can't figure out what upsets them more... the racial nature of the jokes or the fact that everybody still laughed.

You should post about this on /r/thathappened

[DarkTZeratul]

It just adds more evidence to the, "Conservatives don't understand comedy." argument.

Telling jokes about someone at a roast where that person is sitting right there and the whole point of it is to crack wise about them, and they're fully in on it vs. telling "jokes" about someone behind their back, in a private setting, where the person has no idea any jokes are being told.

I guess they want to make it as crystal clear as possible that they don't understand the first thing about humor, and that the last time conservatives were funny was when the rednecks were doing the Blue Collar Comedy Tour. And it was just a bunch of guys who happened to be conservative cracking jokes, mostly about folks like themselves, with an attempt to make it all political. I don't think we've seen a single conservative leaning comedian see significant success since then.

Just the comedy stylings of Greg Gutfeld and Stephen Crowder, who think the height of comedy is putting on a rice hat, big glasses, and big fake teeth while adopting a racist fake Asian accent, or going to a gym in a wig and pretending to be trans while violating gym rules, getting kicked out for violating gym rules, and getting called out because the guy kicking them out knows exactly who they are and exactly what they're doing and exactly why they're filming it.

Good comedy punches up, or at least laterally. Roasting a guy is punching up; the whole idea is that a person is at the height of their career, and being honored, and you're taking them down a peg. The Blue Collar Comedy Tour punched laterally, in that it was largely self-effacing comedy; they made a lot of jokes in the vein of "people like me do all these crazy things, and isn't it hilarious if you describe it this way?" There's no joke in making yourself a racist caricature, though; "these people are different and let's laugh at how they're not like us" isn't funny, it's just offensive.