Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Ornerybear]

I get the impression you're trying to be sarcastic, but that's literally what they believe.

See also every obvious scam-artist fuckboy televangelist ever.

Oh it very much is what they believe. My mother being one of them thinking he's a great kind man, but of course when I point how the glaringly obvious holes in this statement she "doesn't want to talk about politics." suddenly.

[Fugus]

Oh it very much is what they believe. My mother being one of them thinking he's a great kind man, but of course when I point how the glaringly obvious holes in this statement she "doesn't want to talk about politics." suddenly.

You got it better than what I have had to deal with, I get the response that all those things that are contradicting them are fake news and lies and that even the bad stuff he and the GOP have done they have only done it because the Democrats and liberals are a bunch of devil worshipers and they are doing what they have to to defeat that evil.

[Paranoid Android]

Supreme Court going buck-wild with conservative rulings. Only the beginning, brace yourselves.

Supreme Court strikes down New York gun law along ideological lines

From Politico: link.

The 6-3 decision, which divided the court along the usual ideological lines, is the latest in a series of moves by the increasingly conservative high court to adopt a muscular interpretation of the right to bear arms found in the Second Amendment to the Constitution.

The ruling Thursday expanding gun rights came as the nation is reeling from a series of high-profile mass shootings, as Congress seems poised to enact the first major gun-safety legislation in more than three decades, and as the court’s own members appear to be increasingly under physical threat.

Writing for the majority, Justice Clarence Thomas said New York’s requirement that gun owners show “proper cause” to carry a weapon outside the home for self-defense violates the Constitution’s guarantee of gun rights.

“We know of no other constitutional right that an individual may exercise only after demonstrating to government officers some special need,” Thomas wrote. “That is not how the First Amendment works when it comes to unpopular speech or the free exercise of religion. It is not how the Sixth Amendment works when it comes to a defendant’s right to confront the witnesses against him. And it is not how the Second Amendment works when it comes to public carry for self-defense.”

So basic argument is of course expanded interpretation on 2nd Amendment of protected concealed weapon. The dissent is this of course violating NY right to make its own laws to protect it's citizens: State's Rights.

The Constitutional originalist, the conservative argument. Yet, while not mentioned at all, amazing that in 1787, 1788 if the original Founding Fathers were so great in making a document, didn't have their future goggles on to predict multi-round handguns. Also what they cry about State's Rights on most of their regressive laws is now: Eff State's Rights.

[Smitzelplix]

Supreme Court going buck-wild with conservative rulings. Only the beginning, brace yourselves.

Supreme Court strikes down New York gun law along ideological lines

From Politico: link.





So basic argument is of course expanded interpretation on 2nd Amendment of protected concealed weapon. The dissent is this of course violating NY right to make its own laws to protect it's citizens: State's Rights.

The Constitutional originalist, the conservative argument. Yet, while not mentioned at all, amazing that in 1787, 1788 if the original Founding Fathers were so great in making a document, didn't have their future goggles on to predict multi-round handguns. Also what they cry about State's Rights on most of their regressive laws is now: Eff State's Rights.

Supreme Court: Abortion should be a state right.

Also Supreme Court: Gun rights should not be state rights... or at least liberal state rights.

Maybe Supreme Court in the future: Liberal states should not have abortion rights.

[bladeXcrasher]

Supreme Court: Abortion should be a state right.

Also Supreme Court: Gun rights should not be state rights... or at least liberal state rights.

Maybe Supreme Court in the future: Liberal states should not have abortion rights.

Have you read or heard about the Texas Republican party's crazy document just realeased? One part says all statewide offices should be filled by electoral college...they are full blown facist.

[masterhorus8]

Supreme Court going buck-wild with conservative rulings. Only the beginning, brace yourselves.

Supreme Court strikes down New York gun law along ideological lines

From Politico: link.





So basic argument is of course expanded interpretation on 2nd Amendment of protected concealed weapon. The dissent is this of course violating NY right to make its own laws to protect it's citizens: State's Rights.

The Constitutional originalist, the conservative argument. Yet, while not mentioned at all, amazing that in 1787, 1788 if the original Founding Fathers were so great in making a document, didn't have their future goggles on to predict multi-round handguns. Also what they cry about State's Rights on most of their regressive laws is now: Eff State's Rights.

Bunch of f'ing political hacks.

Not only is it ignoring states' rights, it redefining the bill of rights as not protecting the people from the government. Self defense of paranoid idiots that probably shouldn't have a gun in the first place is not a well regulated militia.

[Bodakane]

Remember when I warned everyone that voting Biden in the primary was just going to push this country more right because he wasn't going to fight back.....

[Smitzelplix]

Have you read or heard about the Texas Republican party's crazy document just realeased? One part says all statewide offices should be filled by electoral college...they are full blown facist.

No I haven't read the whole thing except for some articles that highlight specific things, but it makes sense they would want the electoral college to apply to everything, it's the only way they win the presidency anymore and if they start losing popularity in states that are typically red then the electoral college will allow them to hold onto power.

[Edge-]

Remember when I warned everyone that voting Biden in the primary was just going to push this country more right because he wasn't going to fight back.....

What about it?

SCOTUS would be the same literally no matter who was POTUS right now, and arguably could be even worse if Breyer had still retired and Trump got a fourth nomination.

[Blur4stuff]

I was first aware of Trump back in the 90s. The first two things I learned about him was that he beat and raped his first wife and that he somehow managed to fail at running a casino. Everything after that was equally shitty. It was well known, long before 2016, that he was a bully, conman, narcissist, and the list goes on. It wasn't a secret.

Anyone voting for him in either election has no excuse. The best thing any Trump supporter can do for their soul and the country is agree that everyone involved in trying to destroy our country should be prosecuted. You don't want to vote for a democrat? Fine! Don't. At the very least, don't vote for asshats that want to turn the US into Russia. Have some kind of standard that's above these pieces of shit.

[Kaleredar]

Remember when I warned everyone that voting Biden in the primary was just going to push this country more right because he wasn't going to fight back.....

Hot take: Biden was the only democrat running who wasn't demonized enough, or easy enough to demonize, in American politics to actually beat Trump.

And it doesn't matter how good a president some other candidate would have made... if they couldn't beat Trump.

[Edge-]

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1540047256329621512

Asked about her pervious Q-anon posts by Fox News, Rep. Mayra Flores says she included the hashtags because she "opposed" them, which doesn't make sense.

And then refuses to engage beyond that because she seems unwilling to take personal responsibility for her actions.

[Bodakane]

What about it?

SCOTUS would be the same literally no matter who was POTUS right now, and arguably could be even worse if Breyer had still retired and Trump got a fourth nomination.

I bet a potus with balls would get rid of the filibuster and possibly expand the court to pack it. Biden was the wrong nom.

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Hot take: Biden was the only democrat running who wasn't demonized enough, or easy enough to demonize, in American politics to actually beat Trump.

And it doesn't matter how good a president some other candidate would have made... if they couldn't beat Trump.

Any of the Dems would have beat Trump. Trump got beat by Covid, not Biden.

[bladeXcrasher]

I bet a potus with balls would get rid of the filibuster and possibly expand the court to pack it. Biden was the wrong nom.

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Any of the Dems would have beat Trump. Trump got beat by Covid, not Biden.

The PotUS has no control over the filibuster.

[D Luniz]

No I haven't read the whole thing except for some articles that highlight specific things, but it makes sense they would want the electoral college to apply to everything, it's the only way they win the presidency anymore and if they start losing popularity in states that are typically red then the electoral college will allow them to hold onto power.

https://texasgop.org/wp-content/uplo...-6-16-2022.pdf
a direct link to the crazy

[Edge-]

I bet a potus with balls would get rid of the filibuster and possibly expand the court to pack it.

In which you make it clear you have no idea how the US government operates.

Only the Senate can eliminate the filibuster rule, it's their rule and they are the only authority who can change it. Beyond that,expanding the court would require legislation, meaning passage in the House and Senate, and knowing that we'd have Manchin and eventually Sinema as well, that's not going to happen.

Be angry, but do a bit of research so help you understand your anger.

[Bodakane]

In which you make it clear you have no idea how the US government operates.

Only the Senate can eliminate the filibuster rule, it's their rule and they are the only authority who can change it. Beyond that,expanding the court would require legislation, meaning passage in the House and Senate, and knowing that we'd have Manchin and eventually Sinema as well, that's not going to happen.

Be angry, but do a bit of research so help you understand your anger.

No getting out of that one. I fucked up.

[Paranoid Android]

Supreme Court: Abortion should be a state right.

Also Supreme Court: Gun rights should not be state rights... or at least liberal state rights.

Maybe Supreme Court in the future: Liberal states should not have abortion rights.

I believe this discussion moved to the Gun Thread but I want to reply to this.

The legal scholars or however you want to label them will say gun rights are in the 2nd Amendment while the Roe v Wade was judicial overreach of SCOTUS when there was no law and no law on abortion afterwards.

Yes, I agree with you about how flippant they are on state's right, but here we are.

[jonnysensible]

its almost as if the supreme court starts out with the result it wants and works backwards to justify it

[Belize]

Any of the Dems would have beat Trump. Trump got beat by Covid, not Biden.

Respectfully disagree. There was no way COMMUNIST SOCIALISM Sanders was beating Trump, neither was Kamala Harris as POTUS.

The former is too scary for the average American, the latter lacks any kind of mass appeal. Harris is a fine and efficient politician, but she didn't have the charisma and relatability.