Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Breccia]

I could see them being deleted because they used unflattering terms for their protectee as "That fat orange fuck." "That fucking stupid lump." and "What the fuck is that fucking fucking fuck saying? Speak English motherfucker. English."

We'll find out. Deleted texts have been subpoena'd.

[Paranoid Android]

The White House has scrapped President Joe Biden's plans to nominate an anti-abortion Republican as a federal judge in Kentucky, citing opposition to the nomination from Kentucky Republican Sen. Rand Paul https://t.co/N9yORVQ6a1

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/15482...SXRjQKsIg&s=19

Some irony that the other Kentucky Senator torpedoes McConnell's handpicked candidate.

Ih btw if some bizarre way you think this saves feckless Biden. I believe the deal is still on and Biden will deliver a conservative judge to McConnell.

[bladeXcrasher]

Yeah, he was doing this yesterday. Trump is a sociopath, and Ivana never once campaigned for him.

You sure about this? I can swear I read a news article yesterday that said she was an advisor for his campaign.

*edit* yup, she was behind most of his infamous tweets. Don't feel bad for this woman, she's as bad as the rest of the deplorables.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/people....cy/%3famp=true

[Poopymonster]

You sure about this? I can swear I read a news article yesterday that said she was an advisor for his campaign.

*edit* yup, she was behind most of his infamous tweets. Don't feel bad for this woman, she's as bad as the rest of the deplorables.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/people....cy/%3famp=true

I'm sure she was greeted by Rush who told her "Don't worry, it's a dry heat."

[Breccia]

You sure about this?

Moderately. Her interviews at the time were not especially flattering. And the breakup wasn't exactly kind -- she showed up in a movie to mock him. I don't 100% trust my memory of every article of 2016, but, I don't think Ivana showed up at any Trump rallies, appeared in any Trump ads, or was a member of his campaign.

But if an actual journalist says she was, that overrules me. It's not like I'm a professional.

On topic: Prosecutor Warns Georgia Officials They May Face Charges in Trump Inquiry

"Wait, Raffensberger?"

No, the criminals, not the victims.

The breadth, speed and seriousness of the criminal investigation into election meddling by former Trump and his associates in Georgia were underscored on Friday by the revelation that two pro-Trump state senators and the chair of the state Republican Party were sent letters by an Atlanta prosecutor informing them they could be indicted, according to a person familiar with the inquiry.

The Fulton County prosecutor, Fani T. Willis, is also weighing whether to subpoena Mr. Trump himself and seek his testimony before a grand jury, just days after she subpoenaed seven of his advisers, including Rudolph W. Giuliani and Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, in an investigation into efforts to overturn Mr. Trump’s 2020 election loss in Georgia. The special grand jury is looking into a range of potentially criminal acts, including the selection of a slate of pro-Trump electors in the weeks after the election and Mr. Trump’s now-famous call to Brad Raffensperger, the Georgia secretary of state, asking him to “find” nearly 12,000 votes that would reverse his loss there.

The potential exposure of the Republican officials could have serious ramifications in Georgia’s November elections, where Mr. Jones is the Republican nominee for lieutenant governor. On Friday, his Democratic opponent, Charlie Bailey, released a statement accusing Mr. Jones of being “anti-American and unpatriotic” for taking part in a “failed attempted overthrow of the American government.”

Mr. Shafer’s fealty to Mr. Trump and his baseless claims of a stolen election have put him at odds with Gov. Brian Kemp, a Republican, as well as Mr. Raffensperger, creating an unusual schism within the state Republican Party. Both Mr. Kemp and Mr. Raffensperger easily defeated Trump-backed primary challengers this year.

(The rest of the article is mostly history we already know)

To paraphrase one of our own, this is the step beyond "Give us the gate key" and "Fezzik, tear his arms off". I don't see how anyone that gets as far as state senator could be ignorant of perjury, even the GOP in the South. Once you're handed a letter which calls it out, that removes all doubt. We've talked about when you bring charges against a high-profile defendant, and now, we're seeing that. I've also expressed doubt that anyone would go on the record saying "I said A, not B" when there's a witness saying "He totally said B, I taped it, here you go". Anyone who pushed a Georgia (or other) official in power to find votes they knew didn't exist is going to jail. They know that. Therefore, these people have a limited time to find a believable story to explain why they thought 12,000-ish votes for Trump existed, but hadn't been counted.

And it had better be a good one.

Some legal observers have argued that Mr. Trump’s actions, including his postelection phone calls to Georgia officials like Mr. Raffensperger, put him at risk of being indicted on charges of violating relatively straightforward Georgia criminal statutes, including criminal solicitation to commit election fraud. Ms. Willis, in court filings, has indicated that a number of other charges are possible, including racketeering and conspiracy, which could take in a broad roster of pro-Trump associates both inside and outside of Georgia.

“I do believe that the great likelihood is that he’s heading towards an indictment,” said Norman Eisen, who served as special counsel to the House Judiciary Committee during the first Trump impeachment, and who co-wrote a lengthy examination of the Georgia case by the Brookings Institution. Among other things, he said, “there is powerful proof of violations of Georgia law in the form of the smoking gun tape of him demanding 11,780 votes, when it is perfectly clear from that tape that he knows those votes do not exist.”

For anyone that isn't Trump, it's time to make a choice.
1) Stay on the sinking ship.
2) Accept a plea deal and get on the lifeboat.
3) Hope they can walk on water.

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In a rare article @Edge- missed, yet another Trump ally has been caught committing election fraud, or close enough.

1) He tried to run for governor of NY as a third-party candidate.
2) He needed 45,000 signatures, he got 52,000 but 13,000 of them were invalid.
3) Of those 13,000 invalid signatures 11,000 of them were photocopies.

These are eye-popping, confirmed details of wide-spread wrongdoing, which must be understood and addressed on behalf of the legal voters who live in those states.

This is so much bigger than this year's presidential race. Election laws and state constitutions were blatantly ignored by certain officials to tilt an election in a different direction. That can't even honestly be disputed.

-- the candidate, Dec 11 2020

Right now, I am not going to dwell on any doubt, but to recommit to working towards a vigorous defense of lady liberty at all costs, and the pursuit of unity whenever possible.

For this moment, let's take one collective deep breath, recharge and renew our spirit for whatever lies ahead. We are all Americans.

-- the same candidate, Jan 10 2021, after Trump sent people to kill him

Oh right, he's Rep. Zeldin, he was in the Capitol during the murderous insurrection. Did I mention that? I probably should have mentioned that sooner.

Rep. Zeldin might have said some things about pandemic votes etc. but he sent out the wrong election date in both 2018 and 2016, so his protests ring as hollow. He's proven three times now he can't handle a fair election correctly. His claims about voter fraud were, of course, summarily disproven, then Trump tried to kill him for it.

[Edge-]

https://abovethelaw.com/2022/07/hers...thout-blemish/

Herschel Walker, who we now know has multiple children he either lied about or pretended didn't exist, is apparently very upset that a veterans group is buying ad-time to run an ad calling him out as a liar over some of his claims relating to his work with veterans. Including his claim he founded Patriot Support - he did not, in fact he was hired by them as a paid spokesperson to the tune of over $300K last year alone, his claim that it's a "military program" - it is not, it's a for-profit company run by Universal Health Services, who themselves have a history of questionable diagnosing and forcing patients into involuntary psychiatric hospitalizations.

Anyways, he's using Trumpworld lawyers to threaten TV stations that air the ad because...it doesn't substantiate the claims it makes. Which, unfortunately, has never been required in political advertising, so until conservatives get on board with tightening up election laws and cleaning up campaigning, fuck 'em, this shit is beyond fair game. Because even without substantiation in the ad, it's still more honest and accurate than anything from Herschel Walker, who lies to his own campaign staff.

[Breccia]

Anyways, he's using Trumpworld lawyers to threaten TV stations that air the ad because...it doesn't substantiate the claims it makes.

Ah, a Party of Trump member using hypocrisy. Must be a day that ends in child support payments.

[Paranoid Android]

Wanna talk golf and tie it into politics?

Trump hosting Saudi-backed LIV series at golf clubs despite 9/11 families' pleas

So my basic knowledge on LIV Gold is a Saudi backed professional golf tour to compete or crush the PGA. There is politics and intrigue in this but not going deep on it.

So for the headline and story 9/11 victims are upset it being held at Bedminster Golf Course. This too is political and I understand the ties of Saudi with 9/11 and why the victims or anyone would be mad. But let's be clear here, we kiss Saudi Arabia's ass everyday and even after Jamal Khashoggi murder and me accidentally posting the Biden fist bump in this thread that we always kiss their ass.

The big one here is of course Jared Kushner and Saudi Arabia handing him $2 billion. I would bet very comfortably this was part of the deal to give Trump some panache for his golf courses. Not the worst of the worst here I'll admit but reminding how much Trump can be bought.

An oh btw I hate golf especially if you start tying it to politics. In broad strokes most of the golfers are really assholes. Look up great Jack Nicklaus and oh Tiger Woods is a buddy of Trump.

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@Breccia.

I want to carry this discussion from Insurrection Thread since we speculating on 2024. Choose to reply of course.

I think I'm going with DeSantis and South Dakota Governor, Kristi Noem. It has to be a woman VP and in some cruel way maybe Haley has lost her sparkle a little. Noem is crazy as eff. Small state but idk if they go for some swing state person to carry maybe. But I like the batshit crazy Noem, a perfect Republican candidate.

[Edge-]

It has to be a woman VP

That would be the conventional wisdom, but when have Republicans ever actually pursued the conventional path? I mean, this is the same party that responded to the 2012 post-mortem saying that they needed to start reaching out to minorities and stop focusing on angry white folks by...nominating Donald Trump as he spent his entire campaign appealing to straight, racist, angry white folks.

[Poopymonster]

https://abovethelaw.com/2022/07/hers...thout-blemish/

Herschel Walker, who we now know has multiple children he either lied about or pretended didn't exist, is apparently very upset that a veterans group is buying ad-time to run an ad calling him out as a liar over some of his claims relating to his work with veterans. Including his claim he founded Patriot Support - he did not, in fact he was hired by them as a paid spokesperson to the tune of over $300K last year alone, his claim that it's a "military program" - it is not, it's a for-profit company run by Universal Health Services, who themselves have a history of questionable diagnosing and forcing patients into involuntary psychiatric hospitalizations.

Anyways, he's using Trumpworld lawyers to threaten TV stations that air the ad because...it doesn't substantiate the claims it makes. Which, unfortunately, has never been required in political advertising, so until conservatives get on board with tightening up election laws and cleaning up campaigning, fuck 'em, this shit is beyond fair game. Because even without substantiation in the ad, it's still more honest and accurate than anything from Herschel Walker, who lies to his own campaign staff.

You sue, get an injunction to block the ads on TV. Even if you lose, that's fewer eyes on the ad and less runtime that you do not get back while it's temporarily blocked pending the case. If they can keep it off TV long enough, like past the election, then mission accomplished.

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Wanna talk golf and tie it into politics?

Trump hosting Saudi-backed LIV series at golf clubs despite 9/11 families' pleas

So my basic knowledge on LIV Gold is a Saudi backed professional golf tour to compete or crush the PGA. There is politics and intrigue in this but not going deep on it.

So for the headline and story 9/11 victims are upset it being held at Bedminster Golf Course. This too is political and I understand the ties of Saudi with 9/11 and why the victims or anyone would be mad. But let's be clear here, we kiss Saudi Arabia's ass everyday and even after Jamal Khashoggi murder and me accidentally posting the Biden fist bump in this thread that we always kiss their ass.

The big one here is of course Jared Kushner and Saudi Arabia handing him $2 billion. I would bet very comfortably this was part of the deal to give Trump some panache for his golf courses. Not the worst of the worst here I'll admit but reminding how much Trump can be bought.

An oh btw I hate golf especially if you start tying it to politics. In broad strokes most of the golfers are really assholes. Look up great Jack Nicklaus and oh Tiger Woods is a buddy of Trump.

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@Breccia.

I want to carry this discussion from Insurrection Thread since we speculating on 2024. Choose to reply of course.

I think I'm going with DeSantis and South Dakota Governor, Kristi Noem. It has to be a woman VP and in some cruel way maybe Haley has lost her sparkle a little. Noem is crazy as eff. Small state but idk if they go for some swing state person to carry maybe. But I like the batshit crazy Noem, a perfect Republican candidate.

Maggie Traitor Greene for the batshit vote. Maybe Laura Bimbort. Although the flasher husband might put VP's staff off.

[Edge-]

https://nypost.com/2022/07/18/gop-se...-false-report/

Maryland GOP Senate candidate Ryan White is arrested for filing a false police report. He claimed that that a young girl was being forced to perform sexual acts at an adult bookstore, filing a police report for child trafficking.

Investigators looked into it, found absolutely no corroborating evidence or witnesses, found the alleged victim and the adult, and have now arrested White on filing a false report.

Nice when there are actually consequences for things every once in a while.

[Breccia]

I think I'm going with DeSantis and South Dakota Governor, Kristi Noem. It has to be a woman VP and in some cruel way maybe Haley has lost her sparkle a little.

That's not a bad choice at all. DeSantis can't pick a moderate, and nobody can claim Noem is a moderate.

In a break from precedent, the Republican governor has agreed to just one debate with her challenger, Democratic state Rep. Jamie Smith.

Noem, who has also positioned herself for a 2024 White House bid, is following a nationwide trend of candidates — often Republicans — who are abandoning the time-honored tradition of debating their rivals before Election Day. For Noem, the snub was another opportunity to slam a media ecosystem that conservatives find elitist and cast herself in the mold of former President Donald Trump.

"In the past, Governor Noem has made clear that she will not participate in debates hosted by hyper-partisan organizations or outlets. SDPB has repeatedly promoted the radical effort to re-write American history and cancel our Founding Fathers," Ian Fury, a spokesman for Noem's campaign, said in a statement Friday.

Yep, that's on FOX News and 2 days old, refusing to debate on the grounds that she'll lose because reality is not a right-wing trait and objective facts don't support her platform.

*ahem*

But.



That's the picture FOX News picked. It is not flattering. At all. Which means two things.

One, FOX News isn't a fan. Ouch.

Two, she's not considered a hot enough piece of ass to run in the Party of Trump.



This is the most recent FOX News picture of Haley I can find. They're trying with her.

Now just to be clear, I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying, right now, classic Republians are leaning the other way, and neither Republicans nor the Party of Trump can win without the other.

Remember how Trump ran with Pence? Haley would be Pence. Noem would not. While DeSantis is far less likely to attempt to murder his own VP pick, he does still need to balance the ticket.

Which brings me to another point that's come up before: splitting the ticket.

Yes, Trump can split the ticket and pull a 1992, which in turn, would doom both parties to being stomped on by the EC. Take away even 10% of Trump's vote. What happens? Clinton wins, 332 to 202. Or, close to it, some states split.

Now imagine a three-way ticket: Harris, Trump and DeSantis. Does Trump lose 10% to DeSantis? Does DeSantis lose 10% to Trump? I mean, either way, Harris struts into the WH dancing like AOC.

The Republicans -- the four or five that are left -- are terrified of this. They will do everything in their power to keep Trump from doing this, even as they know just letting Trump run will also get them a loss. So keep an eye on the news. We're going to see some really ugly behind-the-scenes stuff.

Oh, and DeSantis can't pardon Trump for NYState or Georgia crimes.

[Ripster42]

You sue, get an injunction to block the ads on TV. Even if you lose, that's fewer eyes on the ad and less runtime that you do not get back while it's temporarily blocked pending the case. If they can keep it off TV long enough, like past the election, then mission accomplished.

He's threatening to sue, not actually suing. Also, the injunction would likely be able to be construed as an irreparable harm, and so likely not issued. The stations not airing it would be liable for a breach of contract suit, and they're protected by the 1st amendment, thus having no reason not to air them and plenty of reason to air them.

[Breccia]

He's threatening to sue, not actually suing.

The Party of Trump, you say...

[Edge-]

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/new...gn-2022-07-18/

Eyyy, more illegal foreign donations to the Trump campaign. And this time they're from Chyna. I thought Trump was tough on Chyna, what happened?

[Poopymonster]

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/new...gn-2022-07-18/

Eyyy, more illegal foreign donations to the Trump campaign. And this time they're from Chyna. I thought Trump was tough on Chyna, what happened?

Maybe when after filming in Russia he spent one night in Chyna?

[Edge-]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/joe-ro...d-out-man-baby

I enjoy watching Joe Rogan and Elon Musk snipe at Trump while Trump snipes back.

Real though, Joe Rogan continues to be a massive, monumental idiot that needs to stop talking about politics or anything else that's not getting high with his idiot friends. I mean, at least the comedians he brings on are actually funny, sometimes.

[gondrin]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/joe-ro...d-out-man-baby

I enjoy watching Joe Rogan and Elon Musk snipe at Trump while Trump snipes back.

Real though, Joe Rogan continues to be a massive, monumental idiot that needs to stop talking about politics or anything else that's not getting high with his idiot friends. I mean, at least the comedians he brings on are actually funny, sometimes.

Ok, there is at least one part of the article that I question on authenticity.

Segura claimed he’d heard from multiple people who worked with Trump on his reality show The Apprentice and claimed he was “fucking gassed up for shoots” because otherwise he had trouble reading the teleprompter.

We all know Trump can't read. He can barely handle a picture book.

[Ivanstone]

We all know Trump can't read. He can barely handle a picture book.

He can read. He just doesn't care if he doesn't see his own name in what he's reading.

[Ripster42]

He can read. He just doesn't care if he doesn't see his own name in what he's reading.

Or doesn't involve hitler. The one that just died said he kept a book of hitler's speeches by his bed that he would study.